This _HAS_ to be a mistake...otherwise WHAT?!

AyeshaBelladonna

Dear ZOS.... you have made a LOT of questionable decisions as of late but I regularly stick up for you. I try to see things fro your point of view and understand why you do some of the ridiculous things you do from time to time.. The significant reduction in furnishing prints for a CHAPTER drop, the pull back from the (thus far) pattern of release of houses for gold with new Chapters each year, the multi-year, on-going, postponing of the highly anticipated group mount ....... But this is going a step too far.
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WHY.... just... _WHY_ would you BoP a HOMEGOODS vendor item. Since housing dropped it has ALWAYS been Homegoods = NOT bound, Achievement Vendor = Bound. Please explain to us why you felt the need to add a BoP flower to the HOMEGOODS vendor. This is ridiculous. Sure, a lack of gold sinks in the game is an issue for the PC economy in particular- however this is not the way to work towards fixing that. Please tell us this was a mistake and an oversight because this is ridiculous. BoP furnishings dropping from the Tribute game would make more sense. I sincerely hope you consider fixing this because this is just a bad choice.

Dragonlord573

They did WHAT?

Selling DLC furnishings was one of my main means of revenue.

AyeshaBelladonna

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

They did WHAT?

Selling DLC furnishings was one of my main means of revenue.

yeah, being able to resell has always been a bonus. I like to include them as trimmings in raffle prizes for my housing guild furnishing packs since sometimes it takes folks a while to get the dlc. Lo and behold! my surprise when i got to the vendor to get them this week and was like wait....what?!?!?! the butter flower one is BoP. That's insane. AND it's the cheapest of the new flowers to boot.

essi2

What furnisher is or isn't bound outside of achievement/Crown Store has always felt abit random, I doubt even ZOS know the reasoning behind the locked ones.

AyeshaBelladonna

essi2 wrote: »

What furnisher is or isn't bound outside of achievement/Crown Store has always felt abit random, I doubt even ZOS know the reasoning behind the locked ones.

no as the GM of a housing guild 90% of my time since housing launched has been all about the housing in the game and everything that goes along with it. I have to disagree, home goods has always been the go-to for unbound items. ESPECIALLY the local flora. It's been a pretty clear and solid pattern. Furnishings from Event boxes have always been the only guessing game of "will it be bound? won't it be bound".

This is the equivalent almost of them issuing a new, high demand, low cost, lux vendor furnishing and making it BoP. The only thing that comes close is the launch of Summerset and their experiment with BoP "Achievement" furnishing prints where they made you earn the right to buy the print but then ALSO made the item you craft bound. Which was also kinda "WTF ZOS" moment.

Kiralyn2000

If it's a single, non-special item out of the whole list, then it's clearly a bug. If "stuff on Homegoods will now be bound!" was a policy change, they'd all be bound.

AyeshaBelladonna

Till now we could easily chart it by source.
Homegoods = unbound
Luxury Vendor = unbound
Guild Trader = Unbound
Treasure chest drop = Unbound
item from house bought with gold= unbound
Crafted furniture***= unbound

(*** = excepting Psijiic, which was a special circumstance)

Pickpocketing/Ledgermain related drop = unbound once laundered, EXCEPTING DB achievement unlocked Remains-Silent NPC reward
Event box = 50/50 bound or unbound depending on the event

Achievement Vendor = Bound
Crown Store= Bound
Global/Holiday Vendor= bound
Antiquity= bound
Impressario purchase w/tickets = Bound
item from house bought w/crowns= bound

Hey ZOS..... WE DON'T LIKE DEPENDABLE PATTERNS BEING INTERRUPTED, particularly without explanation or forewarning! Your indecision over the house drop cycle itself is bad enough. PLEASE don't do this to us with basic 'essentials' like our Homegoods vendors.

AyeshaBelladonna

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

If it's a single, non-special item out of the whole list, then it's clearly a bug. If "stuff on Homegoods will now be bound!" was a policy change, they'd all be bound.

You would think.... but we complained on PTS too, yet it went live and is still bound. they've done bizarre things like this before. Event boxes where 99% of everything was unbound except like ONE of the statue drops. The have a history of singling out things here and there as a "test" to see if it flies. We need them to say " oh, yeah, totally bug." and fix that or next summer we very well COULD log into most or all region-specific items BoP just to push folks more towards buying the content.

Which, yeah, it's a "special" item in as far as its a region specific new flower. so not the stuff thats on 90% of the home goods vendors.

Ratzkifal

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Till now we could easily chart it by source.
Homegoods = unbound
Luxury Vendor = unbound
Guild Trader = Unbound
Treasure chest drop = Unbound
item from house bought with gold= unbound
Crafted furniture***= unbound

(*** = excepting Psijiic, which was a special circumstance)

Pickpocketing/Ledgermain related drop = unbound once laundered, EXCEPTING DB achievement unlocked Remains-Silent NPC reward
Event box = 50/50 bound or unbound depending on the event

Achievement Vendor = Bound
Crown Store= Bound
Global/Holiday Vendor= bound
Antiquity= bound
Impressario purchase w/tickets = Bound
item from house bought w/crowns= bound

Hey ZOS..... WE DON'T LIKE DEPENDABLE PATTERNS BEING INTERRUPTED, particularly without explanation or forewarning! Your indecision over the house drop cycle itself is bad enough. PLEASE don't do this to us with basic 'essentials' like our Homegoods vendors.

ZOS likes to interrupt dependable patterns though, especially without prior warning or explanation.

AyeshaBelladonna

Ratzkifal wrote: »

AyeshaBelladonna wrote: »

Till now we could easily chart it by source.
Homegoods = unbound
Luxury Vendor = unbound
Guild Trader = Unbound
Treasure chest drop = Unbound
item from house bought with gold= unbound
Crafted furniture***= unbound

(*** = excepting Psijiic, which was a special circumstance)

Pickpocketing/Ledgermain related drop = unbound once laundered, EXCEPTING DB achievement unlocked Remains-Silent NPC reward
Event box = 50/50 bound or unbound depending on the event

Achievement Vendor = Bound
Crown Store= Bound
Global/Holiday Vendor= bound
Antiquity= bound
Impressario purchase w/tickets = Bound
item from house bought w/crowns= bound

Hey ZOS..... WE DON'T LIKE DEPENDABLE PATTERNS BEING INTERRUPTED, particularly without explanation or forewarning! Your indecision over the house drop cycle itself is bad enough. PLEASE don't do this to us with basic 'essentials' like our Homegoods vendors.

ZOS likes to interrupt dependable patterns though, especially without prior warning or explanation.

I know and they need to knock it off lol.

SeaGtGruff

Just to take the other side of this-- you know, play Devil's Advocate if you will-- I must say that buying an item with in-game currency from an in-game NPC vendor and then reselling it to other players for in-game gold seems kind of sketch to me.

The only way I would be in favor of allowing that would be if the reseller were (1) giving it away for free, or (2) selling it at a discount, because otherwise it seems like it's just taking advantage of other players' lack of knowledge ("Wait, what, I can go buy it myself from an NPC at a fraction of what I just paid this other player?") or inability to access the NPC due to not owning some required content or having some required achievement yet.

And both of those reasons seem pretty sketch to me, since allowing the item to be resold just (1) takes away one reason to want to buy that content or earn that achievement, and (2) enables players to "scam" other players who don't know any better.

I'm thinking ZOS must have seen something going on that they didn't like for them to make this decision.

Now convince me that I'm wrong and my arguments are unfounded.

Dragonlord573

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Just to take the other side of this-- you know, play Devil's Advocate if you will-- I must say that buying an item with in-game currency from an in-game NPC vendor and then reselling it to other players for in-game gold seems kind of sketch to me.

The only way I would be in favor of allowing that would be if the reseller were (1) giving it away for free, or (2) selling it at a discount, because otherwise it seems like it's just taking advantage of other players' lack of knowledge ("Wait, what, I can go buy it myself from an NPC at a fraction of what I just paid this other player?") or inability to access the NPC due to not owning some required content or having some required achievement yet.

And both of those reasons seem pretty sketch to me, since allowing the item to be resold just (1) takes away one reason to want to buy that content or earn that achievement, and (2) enables players to "scam" other players who don't know any better.

I'm thinking ZOS must have seen something going on that they didn't like for them to make this decision.

Now convince me that I'm wrong and my arguments are unfounded.

To be fair people do that with the golden every week constantly by flipping 100k gold jewelry for 300k+

AyeshaBelladonna

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Just to take the other side of this-- you know, play Devil's Advocate if you will-- I must say that buying an item with in-game currency from an in-game NPC vendor and then reselling it to other players for in-game gold seems kind of sketch to me.

The only way I would be in favor of allowing that would be if the reseller were (1) giving it away for free, or (2) selling it at a discount, because otherwise it seems like it's just taking advantage of other players' lack of knowledge ("Wait, what, I can go buy it myself from an NPC at a fraction of what I just paid this other player?") or inability to access the NPC due to not owning some required content or having some required achievement yet.

And both of those reasons seem pretty sketch to me, since allowing the item to be resold just (1) takes away one reason to want to buy that content or earn that achievement, and (2) enables players to "scam" other players who don't know any better.

I'm thinking ZOS must have seen something going on that they didn't like for them to make this decision.

Now convince me that I'm wrong and my arguments are unfounded.

ok, well to be fair- then literally every thing in game should be bound. You should ALWAYS be a responsible shopper and investigate where you get something before deciding its worth paying someone else for their time and trouble to do it for you. Nothing in a guild store is there because that was the only source for it.

In as far as selling to folks without access to that content- better not have people selling the drop sets or the craftables then. No reselling of any paintings around in dlc zones they'd better all drop bound from those treasure chests. Your logic can be applied to _every_ zone specific anything that is not currently bound. Like the Cyrodiil AP Spell power pots? Better start farming your own AP. Need HAkeijo runes? Earn your own Tel var. Just because it CAN be bought from an in-game NPC for a set price doesn't mean it's sketchy just because it gets resold.

Alternative to that, what about those of us that want to give them away? We can't share with our friends and guild mates that don't have the content yet. And why? Because zos arbitrarily made ONE items, of multiple zone specific ones, BoP for no good reason.For zone they already severely cut the furnishings for to begin with. If zos saw a problem with it the resale practice they were blind or naive to not think about the possibility in the first place. They've ALWAYS had Achievement Furnishers alongside the Homegoods Vendors since the dawn of housing. Why not save the data and just move everything to one vendor then for the zone. "Zone Furnisher" and its ALL BoP. BoP will render a Homegoods vendor obsolete then.

spartaxoxo

What? That's incredibly lame.