Oakensoul - am I missing something?

Nerdrage9000

Is this item BIS for pvp or something? I am guessing I am missing something on why everyone is frothing at the mouth about sourcing the lead in Murkmire - but when I’m looking at the item - aside from not having to bar swap any more, I don’t get the appeal (aside from it seems neat)

Dem_kitkats1

It gives you free major stat density, and you'll no longer have to worry about buff downtimes. It allows you to simply spam abilities without having to rebuff and you'll get a dps increase overall. It just simplifies the flow of combat.

Pevey

It's unique and interesting and people want to try it out. That's the goal of expansions and new items, so Zos did a good job there. Just a really bad job in making it a "pvp" experience to get it whilst most of their playerbase does not like pvp.

ChunkyCat

Nope. It’s horrible. Worst ring ever. Definitely don’t use it.

vivisectvib16_ESO

Better for solo arena content.

Insignia91

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Nope. It’s horrible. Worst ring ever. Definitely don’t use it.

Lol

Holycannoli

Everyone wants to use it for a while before it's nerfed.

jaws343

It's 100% uptime on a ton of either hard to get buffs or difficult to keep up buffs.

I laid this out in another thread, but I think a typical (ish) mag sorc PVP build is a solid example of how this will work:

So, right now on live I am running a max stat sorc with Alfiq, Grace of Ancients, Domi 1 piece, trainee, and Death Dealers. With death dealers at full stacks, I have around 46K mag, 31K health, and 24K stam.

FB: Shield, Streak, Frag, Crushing Shock, Fury, Meteor
BB: Shield (I like to double bar shields) Radiating, Curse, Exchange, Boundless, Restro Ult (Flex)

With that setup, I get the following buffs: Major Resolve/Ward (Boundless), Minor Exp (Boundless), Minor Proph (Passive), and Major recovery buffs with Tri-Stat potions.

Now, lets add Oakensoul to the mix here, by swapping out Death Dealers. I lose around 3K resources each. But have to change nothing else set wise on the build if I don't necessarily want to.

And Oakensoul gives the following 100% uptime buffs:
Major Berserk
Major Brutality
Major Courage
Major Force
Major Heroism
Major Prophecy
Major Protection
Major Resolve (Same as boundless)
Major Savagery
Major Sorcery
Minor Endurance
Minor Fortitude
Minor Intellect

So, the ring gives me all new buffs but one.

What does that mean for my bar setup on 1 bar then:

1 Bar: Matriarch/Vigor, Streak, Crystal Weapon, Bound Armaments, Curse, Meteor

Basically, removing Boundless because the resistance buff is on the ring. Removing frags for Crystal Weapon to free up a bar slot and to get a decent stam spammable in to free up some resources and not need to run exchange. Bound Armaments gives me more max stam, another dot skill, and 10% more light attack damage. Matriarch or Vigor for a heal and dropping shields because major protection makes it a little bit easier to get away with that.

So, now I have a ton of buffs I never had, a far simpler build setup with only one bar. No worry about lag with bar swapping. And my build is actually far stronger than it was before with damage.

And that is without changing the gear. I could change the gear too and spec into full spell damage and get even stronger out of it, with something like Rallying cry and Clever Alchemist.

And then there is the major heroism. Going to be crazy strong with sorcs already passive ult cost reduction. Paired with meteor ult return, it could be possible to spam meteors in the right circumstance.

Pepegrillos

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

jaws343

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Whoa, I skimmed that a bit, but I don't think I saw his health drop below 70%. Wild. And that corrosive uptime is insane.

I saw another vid a few weeks ago where someone had like 3 Storm Atros up at a time, and by the time the first one ran out, they were dropping another one.

Holycannoli

jaws343 wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Whoa, I skimmed that a bit, but I don't think I saw his health drop below 70%. Wild. And that corrosive uptime is insane.

I saw another vid a few weeks ago where someone had like 3 Storm Atros up at a time, and by the time the first one ran out, they were dropping another one.

So you're saying stay away from PvP until it's nerfed lol.

Unknown_Redemption

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

BloodyStigmata

I don't think it's quite as good as having two bars, but it looks like it'd pretty nuts as far as PVP is concerned.

I'm personally going to try using it on a 1-bar pet sorc in PVE and on my unarmed DK tank. It should help out quite a but until those hand to hand weapons get here.... ZOS.... pretty please.

Kaelthorn_Nightbloom

Major Heroism is what really makes Oakensoul stand out in PvP. That's a resto ult every 25 seconds or every 15 seconds when running Arkasis as a healer. It's very significant.

There's definitely some 1-bar builds that outperform.

Rowjoh

This will get hard nerfed for absolute sure.

Usually the nerfs are dished out at the next scheduled update, but I'd be very surprised if it doesnt get nerfed before that this time as its probably the most overpowered item ever released.

Enjoy the up time while you can !

Pepegrillos

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

That's not me, that's Decimus. He plays in the highest MMR bracket in EU. You can queue up when he is playing and see how all this sand swimming goes.

Drauz

They need to remove major heroism. Other than that it serves it purpose.

jaws343

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

Wait what? The whole point is that corrosive has a huge uptime with this, which allows insane offensive pressure and really good defensiveness.

He did 1.6 million damage with 1 bar. No deaths, 20 some kills. People struggle with that using two bars. The ring allows them to basically stay offensive the entire match.

Dagoth_Rac

They should probably change it to something like, "After being in combat for 5 seconds you gain these buffs." That would be fine for Maelstrom and Vateshran and dummy parsing and long PvE boss fights. But would reduce some of the initial high burst combo potential in PvP.

Rowjoh

Buff Bow skill line - it's been bland and underwhelming for a long time now.

TechMaybeHic

Lol someone does it right, still will be others "lalala! Don't see nothing!"

Vaoh

Oakensoul is the pure BiS item to use for like 90% of the playerbase in all content.

This is how they get people to purchase High Isle who otherwise would not have done it. Mainly PvPers.

gariondavey

Oakensoul is good for ganking, good for group play where you have dedicated healers but don't have access to a lot of buffs (ie ravenwatch), good for bombers, good for solo arenas, good for questing and good for un-optimized group dungeons/trials.

Oakensoul is not good for highly coordinated small scale pvp, highly coordinated/optimized dungeons/trials.

Oakensoul is so-so in large scale pvp environments where there IS access to a lot of buffs (ie non-ravenwatch).

In essence, it improves solo and uncoordinated group player but is bad in coordinated play.

Hope that clarifies things.

Toxic_Hemlock

Well for people like me it will take me from a suboptimal player that that has yes, died, to an overland mob to a player that can try doing an arena occasionally. I have said before that if it make the already elite godlings, so be it, but maybe I can finally set foot in Craglorn without seeing the world from the ground!

And of course I will need to wait on it and just continue doing writs for now as I lack the reflexes to get the last lead. Won't matter anyways because it will get majorly nerfed before I get a chance to own it, but at least I'll be able to get it then.

Unknown_Redemption

jaws343 wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

Wait what? The whole point is that corrosive has a huge uptime with this, which allows insane offensive pressure and really good defensiveness.

He did 1.6 million damage with 1 bar. No deaths, 20 some kills. People struggle with that using two bars. The ring allows them to basically stay offensive the entire match.

Right, high end-of-game damage numbers just means that the player was parsing people that were healing back up. People that engage, wound, and immediately execute will have lower end-of-game damage. 1.6M damage for only 24 kills isnt good. Again, the player is skilled, but the ring wasnt pushing anything to be overpowered. There were a lot of people he couldnt cut down and he would just run to others who were already mortally wounded or running away.

Vaoh

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

Wait what? The whole point is that corrosive has a huge uptime with this, which allows insane offensive pressure and really good defensiveness.

He did 1.6 million damage with 1 bar. No deaths, 20 some kills. People struggle with that using two bars. The ring allows them to basically stay offensive the entire match.

Right, high end-of-game damage numbers just means that the player was parsing people that were healing back up. People that engage, wound, and immediately execute will have lower end-of-game damage. 1.6M damage for only 24 kills isnt good. Again, the player is skilled, but the ring wasnt pushing anything to be overpowered. There were a lot of people he couldnt cut down and he would just run to others who were already mortally wounded or running away.

So 1.6mil Damage and 24 kills isnt good.... ok lol.

merpins

Good for solo arenas and solo content in general. It also boosts the DPS of lower-end players and can be used in some casual builds if you don't want to go hard every time you play a DPS. I think PVP players also like it for the Major Heroism. But I haven't heard much from the community since release saying it's broken, so looks like the people that said the item's good where it is were right.

jaws343

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

Good for solo arenas and solo content in general. It also boosts the DPS of lower-end players and can be used in some casual builds if you don't want to go hard every time you play a DPS. I think PVP players also like it for the Major Heroism. But I haven't heard much from the community since release saying it's broken, so looks like the people that said the item's good where it is were right.

Well, it's more likely that barely anyone has it right now because of the lead location. And once we get out a few more weeks, and people have refined their builds, it will become more oppressive and more complained about. Not too mention, console players don't even have the patch yet, so that is 2/3rds of the population who can't even try to use the ring yet.

Unknown_Redemption

Vaoh wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

You are missing something. This is what you can do, for example, on magdks with Oakensoul:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtkoJ4l0BlE

Sorry, most of those enemies were not skilled in PVP. No one followed through on you, especially when you went out of LoS, which is why you didnt die. Honestly, your damage was pretty low and a lot of your kills were snipes from players who were already engaged. This video shows me that youre very good in PVP, in terms of awareness, but Im not seeing the power from the ring here.

Now if you were not running 2 heals and Corrosive, Id think a bit different. You're simply built to survive.

Wait what? The whole point is that corrosive has a huge uptime with this, which allows insane offensive pressure and really good defensiveness.

He did 1.6 million damage with 1 bar. No deaths, 20 some kills. People struggle with that using two bars. The ring allows them to basically stay offensive the entire match.

Right, high end-of-game damage numbers just means that the player was parsing people that were healing back up. People that engage, wound, and immediately execute will have lower end-of-game damage. 1.6M damage for only 24 kills isnt good. Again, the player is skilled, but the ring wasnt pushing anything to be overpowered. There were a lot of people he couldnt cut down and he would just run to others who were already mortally wounded or running away.

So 1.6mil Damage and 24 kills isnt good.... ok lol.

Not really, no. That being said, this isnt a PVP topic, its regarding the mythic. My point is that the ring wasnt doing much. His performance would be roughly the same just using Death Fete.

Alinhbo_Tyaka

I think the ring is targeted to less skilled players and those whose skills are slowing down as they get older whether they are PvP or PvE players. In my case I also see it as a possible resolution for the flaky bar swapping that appears to function more on RNG rather than my keystrokes. With the ring I should not have to worry that the swap to my back bar, where I keep my buffs, didn't complete and concentrate more on firing off DPS skills.

TaSheen

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

I think the ring is targeted to less skilled players and those whose skills are slowing down as they get older whether they are PvP or PvE players. In my case I also see it as a possible resolution for the flaky bar swapping that appears to function more on RNG rather than my keystrokes. With the ring I should not have to worry that the swap to my back bar, where I keep my buffs, didn't complete and concentrate more on firing off DPS skills.

This is what I think too. Age and bad internet are problems for me, so maybe this ring (if I can ever get the leads other than the one out of Glenumbra ore - which I have already but may not have the only character on that account antiquity-leveled enough to scry/dig it before it expires) would help me out some.

I'd really LOVE to be able to one-shot quest bosses like so many people say they can.