This is the reason they need to make a test to que for DLC dungeons

karekiz

https://www.esologs.com/reports/VmQyTAbN6jYzBRPc/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=summary&source=4

The healer is the random.

I don't care if people in 4 man wear "Meta" or not as long as it has some thought behind it such as using Hiti + Winters + Chokethorn. I mean that makes sense. Healer = Heals. But this is a guy who now has DoM HM clear in a random. He should have never been able to que with that setup. Its basically walking in with almost no gear at this point.

Fix Kthx ZoS

Nord_Raseri

3 single pieces from 3 different sets, give zero stats? check. 3 2 pieces for 1 line of health, one line of magicka, and one line of magicka recovery? check. A green non-set staff and a grey non-set staff? check. The new dps/heals meta? Check!

SilverBride

Join a guild of like minded players and make your own group.

Hapexamendios

Why didn't you just kick him?

Tsar_Gekkou

Eh, there aren't really any heavy heal checks in DoM. He could've been in 12-piece mother's sorrow and still did fine as long as he had enough cp and used his skills.

FeedbackOnly

Each to their own in gear setup for dungeons.

I actually do remember some heal checks there. There's some heavy hits on tank on last boss and first boss if you aren't careful.

While I do not think you need those sets, I don't think it's fair you said they don't deserve their clear on it.

FeedbackOnly

Actually this is further proof we need to do something about healing if people complain that healer is healing

HPS needs to matter again in dungeons

RisenEclipse

Personally if the healer is doing healing and the tank is actually tanking, and the dps is dpsing, then they can wear whatever gear they want. I know a lot of people like to test their own ideas in random. See what gear types work best with their own play style. The game is already way too meta chasing for my liking to further encourage it with this type of idea. Closing pug groups off unless you have this and this type of gear just seems wrong to me?

Although some people just don't know what gear would be more effective, or just don't understand builds. At that point teaching is better then just getting mad at them and accusing them of wanting to flop the dungeon on purpose.

Although this scenario can be annoying on Vet. But only because it slows it down for the random clearers and gear chasers. Although achievement chasing should only really be done with a pre-made group. Not a pug. Unless you happen to be in a spectacular pug lol if you feel like someone's gear is SUPER bad, or they simply do not have the CP to do the content, then just pm and have a friendly discussion about it. Don't be mean and rude about it. I've told a tank before that he might not be ready for the content we were doing because he simply did not have hp to not die constantly to the boss (they were a real tank. Not a fake tank).

Just have a little patience, and be willing to guide players that might not know better.

Pevey

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Actually this is further proof we need to do something about healing if people complain that healer is healing

HPS needs to matter again in dungeons

The OP was not complaining that the healer was healing. It is confusing because OP lists a basic beginner setup as an example of what would be okay. OP contrasts that to what the random was wearing. If you click the link, you can see the healer didn't have any full set at all. IMO, that is not okay in a vet dungeon.

Freelancer_ESO

I think you'd ram into the issue that ZOS sells the dungeon content both directly and as part of ESO +.

It'd be a negative impact on sales if people couldn't access the content.

If the raw stats are actually the issue, ZOS could just bolster people that don't meet the minimum for the content up to the minimum.

Kusto

Not sure what the issue is. You got the hm done. So obviously the healer helped you enough or the rest of the group was just so good that it didn't matter whether the healer was even there or not. And if you struggled because he was bad then why didn't you just replace him. Zos has already given us the tools to manage groups. You can queue and get randoms and that's what you got. Sometimes you get players who meet your expectations and sometimes you don't. If you don't like that then you can always form your own group. Theres no need for any tests to gatekeep content.

wheresbes

Wow, it's so random that is absurd. Intricate restoration staff? C'mon. Shows zero effort whatsoever.

It's not about chasing meta, it's about gathering 2 5 piece sets before entering vet.

FeedbackOnly

Pevey wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Actually this is further proof we need to do something about healing if people complain that healer is healing

HPS needs to matter again in dungeons

The OP was not complaining that the healer was healing. It is confusing because OP lists a basic beginner setup as an example of what would be okay. OP contrasts that to what the random was wearing. If you click the link, you can see the healer didn't have any full set at all. IMO, that is not okay in a vet dungeon.

Not okay, but my question before they knew what gear it was was it okay. The sets are bad, but did they fullfil their role?

If so this is further proves healing should matter more of such a healer can exist for dlc hm dungeon.

Scale healing to a new stat

Coatmagic

Well, I don't know how they will do it, but they really should try to do something, LOL xD

Yesterday I had quite a good laugh when my hubby ended up in a random (normal luckilly!) and all 4 were tanks...
was the longest CoA1 ever, heh.

pklemming

That healer should never have queued for a random vet. He was basically carried through a dungeon he should not have even entered with that gear.The gear choices there are just mind-boggling. Love the use of cloudy poison pots...

Also, apart from the ulti, not even providing minor sorcery to the group, either.

To answer another post. Yes, DoM HM, last boss can hit reasonably hard, but as a tank I need no external heals there. The healer is for when the dps stand in stupid, more than anything else.

If it was in my group, I would have kicked them. It sounds pretty harsh, but you can't go in to random vets like this.

Bat

I've been trying to wrap my head around these logs, they don't seem to show any boss fights (?) and also it looks like the rest of you had the Damage Dealer role ticked, which means you couldn't have done this through the activity finder.

"Raid CompositionChampion Points: 1,817.8
Tanks:
DPS: Braulkin FelDeadnecro TankSmoothestscotch
Healers: Anonymous 4"

kringled_1

Bat wrote: »

I've been trying to wrap my head around these logs, they don't seem to show any boss fights (?) and also it looks like the rest of you had the Damage Dealer role ticked, which means you couldn't have done this through the activity finder.

"Raid CompositionChampion Points: 1,817.8
Tanks:
DPS: Braulkin FelDeadnecro TankSmoothestscotch
Healers: Anonymous 4"

I dont think eso logs looks at the activity finder roles, and as such its assignment of roles is sometimes incorrect.
This is just a single set of trash fights that took place after the first boss (hunger) and before the drop into the abyss/second boss. I would guess the log was taken because they thought things seemed off in the first boss fight and wanted to know what was up with their 4th.
OP is the tank and its a pretty optimal dungeon tank setup - turning tide, drakes rush, tremorscale, vat S+B.

xXSilverDragonXx

Given that the prosperous trait has been gone for years, I'm guessing this is a returning player who is probably in the process of upgrading gear and probably trying to collect pieces of sets that are for healers.

The whole tone of this post smacks of elistism. If you weren't dead on the floor a lot, healer did their job. Frankly, you looking at his gear seems a bit over the top. I mean, you are in a random from a queue. Healer did heal. Don't like his gear? Your problem.

I'll add more to this: Given that they are wearing prosperous, I will guess that this player probably isn't even sure what sets to get as they have added some excellent healing ones since then. Furthermore, they might not even know about the transmute system or the reconstruction system as I'm fairly sure transmutes came out in 2017 with clockwork and reconstruction years later and IIRC prosperous was gone by then or right around that time. They are doing their best having returned to a game that has changed quite a bit since then. Maybe try to be a decent human who understands that.

karekiz

A lot of random things.

1. He didn't live. He died. We just didn't rez him in last boss <Why would we?>. DPS just slotted self heals and I slotted an altar for the DPS. We just three manned it.

2. It honestly isn't the "meta" or anything we would have cared about. But seriously a grey restro staff with no set bonus?

3. We didn't kick him because we tend to hand new healers Symphony of Blades when we get a chance. Its a nice set and if people need it, and we can three man why not? Which at the end we handed him all our different weights. So I don't know where the elitism comes from. If we were we would have simply kicked him without a word.

The issue is that not everyone is going to be able to just toss healer role out and carry. It will be WAY more frustrating for another team than ours. In another instance it will result in random kick with no tells, which isn't very fun for a new or returning player with no idea. Normal and Vet offer the same xp and locking down Vet DLC <Obviously not normal> until people are at least somewhat qualified for it just reduces toxicity that can occur.

And yes this player was 1400 CP total.

JanTanhide

karekiz wrote: »

https://www.esologs.com/reports/VmQyTAbN6jYzBRPc/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=summary&source=4

The healer is the random.

I don't care if people in 4 man wear "Meta" or not as long as it has some thought behind it such as using Hiti + Winters + Chokethorn. I mean that makes sense. Healer = Heals. But this is a guy who now has DoM HM clear in a random. He should have never been able to que with that setup. Its basically walking in with almost no gear at this point.

Fix Kthx ZoS

Was the run successful? I see the gear is pretty abysmal but if the Healer did the job it's OK with me. I've never seen anyone wear junk gear like that on purpose.

I've seen a few dungeon runs where people had no gear on but thought they did. Once in Vet Wayrest Sewers the Healer had no body gear on. We had no deaths and got hard mode done as well. It was actually pretty funny.

Oh, never mind, I see you answered my query about completing the dungeon.

SirLeeMinion

How doe he still have a "Prosperous" trait? I'd thought they were converted to invigorating.

JanTanhide

kringled_1 wrote: »

Bat wrote: »

I've been trying to wrap my head around these logs, they don't seem to show any boss fights (?) and also it looks like the rest of you had the Damage Dealer role ticked, which means you couldn't have done this through the activity finder.

"Raid CompositionChampion Points: 1,817.8
Tanks:
DPS: Braulkin FelDeadnecro TankSmoothestscotch
Healers: Anonymous 4"

I dont think eso logs looks at the activity finder roles, and as such its assignment of roles is sometimes incorrect.
This is just a single set of trash fights that took place after the first boss (hunger) and before the drop into the abyss/second boss. I would guess the log was taken because they thought things seemed off in the first boss fight and wanted to know what was up with their 4th.
OP is the tank and its a pretty optimal dungeon tank setup - turning tide, drakes rush, tremorscale, vat S+B.

ESO logs does look at roles. At least it did for all the runs I used ESO Logs for. Yeah, this is intriguing. How did this run occur? Manually or Group Finder queue?

kringled_1

JanTanhide wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

Bat wrote: »

I've been trying to wrap my head around these logs, they don't seem to show any boss fights (?) and also it looks like the rest of you had the Damage Dealer role ticked, which means you couldn't have done this through the activity finder.

"Raid CompositionChampion Points: 1,817.8
Tanks:
DPS: Braulkin FelDeadnecro TankSmoothestscotch
Healers: Anonymous 4"

I dont think eso logs looks at the activity finder roles, and as such its assignment of roles is sometimes incorrect.
This is just a single set of trash fights that took place after the first boss (hunger) and before the drop into the abyss/second boss. I would guess the log was taken because they thought things seemed off in the first boss fight and wanted to know what was up with their 4th.
OP is the tank and its a pretty optimal dungeon tank setup - turning tide, drakes rush, tremorscale, vat S+B.

ESO logs does look at roles. At least it did for all the runs I used ESO Logs for. Yeah, this is intriguing. How did this run occur? Manually or Group Finder queue?

I haven't really tested it recently but for a very long time eso logs had its own way of assigning roles based on the activity in the log file. I'm not sure if group finder roles are actually recorded in the log.
When ritual of retribution used to have a heal for example, templar dps would regularly be assigned as a healer in logs.
In this case, I think because it's a short trash fight it probably doesn't have the information to assign the tank correctly.

SirLeeMinion wrote: »

How doe he still have a "Prosperous" trait? I'd thought they were converted to invigorating.

I think the item is probably actually invigorating, it just shows as prosperous in logs.

karekiz

kringled_1 wrote: »

I think the item is probably actually invigorating, it just shows as prosperous in logs.

I think that is true as I have never seen Prosperous on the marketplace since the change <Could be wrong>, and it would be awfully odd to leave thousands of items with a trait nobody wants in the Database just taking up space.

Though who knows.

xXSilverDragonXx

nevermind
not worth the time

El_Borracho

"Hmm, I've run three dungeons and scored a generic ice staff. Time for DoM HARD MODE!"

zaria

Pevey wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Actually this is further proof we need to do something about healing if people complain that healer is healing

HPS needs to matter again in dungeons

The OP was not complaining that the healer was healing. It is confusing because OP lists a basic beginner setup as an example of what would be okay. OP contrasts that to what the random was wearing. If you click the link, you can see the healer didn't have any full set at all. IMO, that is not okay in a vet dungeon.

The problem is that the healer is using an wild mix of items who mostly does not make any sense.
Having an overland / crafted magic DD setup with an gold resto staff and the skills uses would worked much better.
All my magic builds has an resto staff in case I has to heal.
You want gold weapons, no issue with blue jewelry from trials or dlc but fill out sets.
And yes he had nothing to do in an vet dlc.
If it was an low cp guildmade I would crafted some gear

Kahnak

xXSilverDragonXx wrote: »

Given that the prosperous trait has been gone for years, I'm guessing this is a returning player who is probably in the process of upgrading gear and probably trying to collect pieces of sets that are for healers.

The whole tone of this post smacks of elistism. If you weren't dead on the floor a lot, healer did their job. Frankly, you looking at his gear seems a bit over the top. I mean, you are in a random from a queue. Healer did heal. Don't like his gear? Your problem.

I'll add more to this: Given that they are wearing prosperous, I will guess that this player probably isn't even sure what sets to get as they have added some excellent healing ones since then. Furthermore, they might not even know about the transmute system or the reconstruction system as I'm fairly sure transmutes came out in 2017 with clockwork and reconstruction years later and IIRC prosperous was gone by then or right around that time. They are doing their best having returned to a game that has changed quite a bit since then. Maybe try to be a decent human who understands that.

"The whole tone of this post smacks of elistism. If you weren't dead on the floor a lot, healer did their job. Frankly, you looking at his gear seems a bit over the top. I mean, you are in a random from a queue. Healer did heal. Don't like his gear? Your problem."

Yeah, expecting a healer in a Veteran DLC dungeon to have two complete sets and use more than 3 abilities totally smacks of elitism. Don't like his gear? What gear?

"I'll add more to this: Given that they are wearing prosperous, I will guess that this player probably isn't even sure what sets to get as they have added some excellent healing ones since then. Furthermore, they might not even know about the transmute system or the reconstruction system as I'm fairly sure transmutes came out in 2017 with clockwork and reconstruction years later and IIRC prosperous was gone by then or right around that time. They are doing their best having returned to a game that has changed quite a bit since then. Maybe try to be a decent human who understands that."

You're making a whole lot of broad assumptions based on a really, really small detail.

"They are doing their best."
"They don't know about the transmute system"
"They don't know what sets are good."
"Understanding your speculation about a stranger is what is going to make someone a decent person"

A player attempted to do a Depths of Malatar HM clear with gear they picked up off of the ground, used 3 skills total, and I'm being indecent and elitist for the correct observation that this person was completely unprepared and in over their head? Spare me. Simply managing the healing mechanic on King Narilmor correctly in Veteran is beyond most of you that are under the impression that keeping the group alive is anything but the bare minimum a healer is supposed to be doing.

DagenHawk

karekiz wrote: »

https://www.esologs.com/reports/VmQyTAbN6jYzBRPc/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=summary&source=4

The healer is the random.

I don't care if people in 4 man wear "Meta" or not as long as it has some thought behind it such as using Hiti + Winters + Chokethorn. I mean that makes sense. Healer = Heals. But this is a guy who now has DoM HM clear in a random. He should have never been able to que with that setup. Its basically walking in with almost no gear at this point.

Fix Kthx ZoS

We both know you're not serious but points for trying...

also

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7595332/#Comment_7595332

Kahnak wrote: »

You're making a whole lot of broad assumptions based on a really, really small detail.

"They are doing their best."
"They don't know about the transmute system"
"They don't know what sets are good."
"Understanding your speculation about a stranger is what is going to make someone a decent person"

Referring back to the post I made in the above link you would be amazed how many people suggested or offered Very decent sets in my little experiment...my friends list also grew by quite a bit.

As hard as the handful of gatekeepers tries to make this game toxic it just isn't happening, and that is awesome.

Kahnak

DagenHawk wrote: »

karekiz wrote: »

https://www.esologs.com/reports/VmQyTAbN6jYzBRPc/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=summary&source=4

The healer is the random.

I don't care if people in 4 man wear "Meta" or not as long as it has some thought behind it such as using Hiti + Winters + Chokethorn. I mean that makes sense. Healer = Heals. But this is a guy who now has DoM HM clear in a random. He should have never been able to que with that setup. Its basically walking in with almost no gear at this point.

Fix Kthx ZoS

We both know you're not serious but points for trying...

also

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7595332/#Comment_7595332

Kahnak wrote: »

You're making a whole lot of broad assumptions based on a really, really small detail.

"They are doing their best."
"They don't know about the transmute system"
"They don't know what sets are good."
"Understanding your speculation about a stranger is what is going to make someone a decent person"

Referring back to the post I made in the above link you would be amazed how many people suggested or offered Very decent sets in my little experiment...my friends list also grew by quite a bit.

As hard as the handful of gatekeepers tries to make this game toxic it just isn't happening, and that is awesome.

"Referring back to the post I made in the above link you would be amazed how many people suggested or offered Very decent sets in my little experiment...my friends list also grew by quite a bit."

Yeah, it sounds like you had a great time doing Normal content, and the people doing Normal content didn't bother you about what you were wearing because you could be wearing nothing and complete Normal content. That's great - casuals make up the lion's share of the player base.

"As hard as the handful of gatekeepers tries to make this game toxic it just isn't happening, and that is awesome."

Not sure if this is a serious comment or not. Regardless, nobody is deliberately trying to make the game toxic - not even the gatekeepers.

I'm also not sure how I feel about the inference that the OP was somehow being disingenuous by saying it wouldn't have mattered even if the player were wearing sets that promote healing with absolutely no basis whatsoever. It's obvious to me that your opinion on the subject is somewhat slanted, but making immediate assumptions about people based on nothing doesn't really cast you in a positive light, especially considering the OP goes on to say that they handed the healer different weights of one the strongest healer Monster Sets in the game upon completion of the dungeon. Casuals aren't the only generous people and having a lack of expectations for your peers isn't necessarily a virtue.

Mythgard1967

HAHAHA, you joined a guild I am in. I remember seeing your comment after joining and you were met with dead silence. I was actually in IC then, so not able to type and keep my eyes peeled. I do remember thinking "wow, thats bold to just toss out there first thing".

It kinda made me laugh.

And my next thought after that was.....Pretty cool they just say so outright like that. People know before grouping with them exactly what they will get. Thats pretty cool.

And thought 3 was......Ima gonna watch to see if they do any normal randoms and join; I am betting that anyone who tosses that out on guild chat when joining would be interesting to run with"