After seeing the Card Game demo on Twitch, are you MORE or LESS interested in playing it?

_Zathras_

So, the Twitch show gave a fairly lengthy demonstration of the upcoming Card Game. We got to see how it is played, and how it looks.

While watching DELTIA's Twitch show, as he and his viewers reacted to the main show and the demo, the general consensus was that it was bland, and lacked excitement. Compared to current CGs out there, like MtG, it lacked flash and appeal. Given that, it begs the question of why would you play it, when it looks so boring. All those descriptions were from Deltia and his audience.

I agree with them.

Like anything else in a video game, appearances are very important. That is why so much development time is spent on skins, motifs, etc.

So, after having seen the gameplay, how do you feel about the upcoming Card Game at this point?

Lady_Galadhiel

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

Excited to try it out myself and see how it plays.

redspecter23

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

I had a lot of concerns about the game that the preview helped with. There doesn't appear to be any actual deck building outside the game so using that term was probably not a wise way to describe it. That does mean that players don't win or lose with their opponents good/bad decks as all the decks are premade. It's about strategy and luck.

There doesn't appear to be a way to collect individual cards either in game or in the store. Certainly entire decks are available to earn in game (and probably through the store at some point) but the nature of the game means it shouldn't be pay to win.

It seems to have much more depth than I was expecting, though I had the bar set very low after the antiquities minigame that isn't much more than busywork once you know how to do it. Tales of Tribute looks to reward solid game knowledge and strategy with a bit of luck tossed in. That appeals to me.

I'm hoping they add more decks over time to keep things fresh and interesting similar to other systems like antiquities.

ZOS_Kevin

Hi All, thanks for spinning this up. We are also collecting overall feedback on the contents of the stream here.

SilverBride

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

I didn't see the demo on Twitch because

1. I play ESO, I don't watch others play.
2. I have less than zero interest in a card game in an MMO.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

Well, as I wrote in the other thread on the same subject, I can count on one hand how many times I have played games like this. Magic the Gathering and a Babylon 5 card game. That should say something about how much I care for this kind of games, since I love all things (well, almost all things) Babylon 5.

I guess I will have to play it against NPCs if there are good leads or furnishings or whatnot, but other than that, no thanks. Especially since the PvP-version has 90 second limits for a round. Stress is not a favorite of mine.

I gotta say though, I do feel bad about dissing the game since I could see that the creators were very invested and proud of what they have done. It is just not my cup of sujamma.

Sylvermynx

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

I don't have the data to watch streams, but I'm not interested at all in card games.

_Zathras_

I am LESS interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for spinning this up. We are also collecting overall feedback on the contents of the stream here.

Thanks for the comment, Kevin.

I too am interested in reading the feedback, after everyone got to see it firsthand.

MY EXPECTATIONS were that it was going to be very similar in style to ESO Legends. I really did like that game, and was disappointed that development was discontinued. My hope was Tales of Tribute would take that torch and continue running.

..and I suppose that is the case, as ToT is fresh and new, with lots of time ahead of it for further fleshing out. I will be trying it, most definitely, as CGs (to me) are quite fun.

But, as per my commentary in the OP, I do wish there was some more.. pizazz to the game. Like when you play one of the blue cards, a Psijic mage flashes out with a spell, or something. Just..more. You know?

So this is meant for positive criticism, or whatever your first impression was, and if you will play Tales of Tribute.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

_Zathras_ wrote: »

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi All, thanks for spinning this up. We are also collecting overall feedback on the contents of the stream here.

Thanks for the comment, Kevin.

I too am interested in reading the feedback, after everyone got to see it firsthand.

MY EXPECTATIONS were that it was going to be very similar in style to ESO Legends. I really did like that game, and was disappointed that development was discontinued. My hope was Tales of Tribute would take that torch and continue running.

..and I suppose that is the case, as ToT is fresh and new, with lots of time ahead of it for further fleshing out. I will be trying it, most definitely, as CGs (to me) are quite fun.

But, as per my commentary in the OP, I do wish there was some more.. pizazz to the game. Like when you play one of the blue cards, a Psijic mage flashes out with a spell, or something. Just..more. You know?

So this is meant for positive criticism, or whatever your first impression was, and if you will play Tales of Tribute.

I imagine that that would have been cool the first couple of times, but become more of a Stuga rather rapidly after that. If the extra pzaz was toggle-able though, sure, why not. Some people actually like Stuga, I hear.

RisenEclipse

I am NEUTRAL, and seeing the demo hasn't changed my opinion

I love the idea of the card game, but the one thing I do not like still, is the idea that your opponent gets to use the cards that you have collected. What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter. You'll either find someone who wasted their time getting those cards that you can now use. Or you are just playing against someone with as little cards as you do.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent. It would be like doing a BG and everyone has access to the same gear everyone else has during that match. I mean imagine if someone lost a game because their opponent used a super difficult to obtain card... that the person who lost was the one who went through the effort to get. It's just a really weird decision to do with a card game.

redspecter23

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

RisenEclipse wrote: »

I love the idea of the card game, but the one thing I do not like still, is the idea that your opponent gets to use the cards that you have collected. What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter. You'll either find someone who wasted their time getting those cards that you can now use. Or you are just playing against someone with as little cards as you do.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent. It would be like doing a BG and everyone has access to the same gear everyone else has during that match. I mean imagine if someone lost a game because their opponent used a super difficult to obtain card... that the person who lost was the one who went through the effort to get. It's just a really weird decision to do with a card game.

You don't collect any cards. You have a pool of complete decks that you add together and those decks are premade. You choose 2 and your opponent chooses 2 complete decks. You don't really collect individual cards by the looks of it and the decks aren't customizable individually.

blue_peaceful_Manticore

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

with so many options they have. They give us Card Game!? I dont even buy high Isle lol. Have 0 reasons to buy it

James-Wayne

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

RisenEclipse wrote: »

I love the idea of the card game, but the one thing I do not like still, is the idea that your opponent gets to use the cards that you have collected. What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter. You'll either find someone who wasted their time getting those cards that you can now use. Or you are just playing against someone with as little cards as you do.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent. It would be like doing a BG and everyone has access to the same gear everyone else has during that match. I mean imagine if someone lost a game because their opponent used a super difficult to obtain card... that the person who lost was the one who went through the effort to get. It's just a really weird decision to do with a card game.

I totally agree with this but I believe its done for one reason only... you guessed it, casuals! I hope there is rewards tied to those that find other cards thou, to make it worthwhile.

_Zathras_

I am LESS interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

alberichtano wrote: »

I imagine that that would have been cool the first couple of times, but become more of a Stuga rather rapidly after that. If the extra pzaz was toggle-able though, sure, why not. Some people actually like Stuga, I hear.

Sure, and while my example came from one of Deltia's viewers, it still highlights that the current gameplay of ToT could be more visually interesting. As an example, here is MtG's gameplay. It's nothing crazy, but the little flashes and highlights make it interesting.

As a comparison, which is more of what I was expecting ToT to have, is ESO Legend's gameplay.

So both have similar elements. Both are also more visually attractive than ToT.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

_Zathras_ wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

I imagine that that would have been cool the first couple of times, but become more of a Stuga rather rapidly after that. If the extra pzaz was toggle-able though, sure, why not. Some people actually like Stuga, I hear.

Sure, and while my example came from one of Deltia's viewers, it still highlights that the current gameplay of ToT could be more visually interesting. As an example, here is MtG's gameplay. It's nothing crazy, but the little flashes and highlights make it interesting.

As a comparison, which is more of what I was expecting ToT to have, is ESO Legend's gameplay.

So both have similar elements. Both are also more visually attractive than ToT.

OK. I will trust you on that one.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

redspecter23 wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

I love the idea of the card game, but the one thing I do not like still, is the idea that your opponent gets to use the cards that you have collected. What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter. You'll either find someone who wasted their time getting those cards that you can now use. Or you are just playing against someone with as little cards as you do.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent. It would be like doing a BG and everyone has access to the same gear everyone else has during that match. I mean imagine if someone lost a game because their opponent used a super difficult to obtain card... that the person who lost was the one who went through the effort to get. It's just a really weird decision to do with a card game.

You don't collect any cards. You have a pool of complete decks that you add together and those decks are premade. You choose 2 and your opponent chooses 2 complete decks. You don't really collect individual cards by the looks of it and the decks aren't customizable individually.

Yes you do. The other four base cards, and then a lot of bonus cards that "buff" existing cards.

Crismac

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

No interest in a card game for an MMORPG period.

I didn't see the video but hope nothing is tied to it, that you must play it.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

RisenEclipse wrote: »

I love the idea of the card game, but the one thing I do not like still, is the idea that your opponent gets to use the cards that you have collected. What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter. You'll either find someone who wasted their time getting those cards that you can now use. Or you are just playing against someone with as little cards as you do.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent. It would be like doing a BG and everyone has access to the same gear everyone else has during that match. I mean imagine if someone lost a game because their opponent used a super difficult to obtain card... that the person who lost was the one who went through the effort to get. It's just a really weird decision to do with a card game.

Hahaha, I SO predicted that people would say exactly what you just wrote.

Marronsuisse

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

They mentioned I could win cosmetics. I am a simple, vain soul.

I don't like card games much, but I'll at least check it out now.

_Zathras_

I am LESS interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

RisenEclipse wrote: »

What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent.

I agree with you. I am not sure why they went with that design choice.

James-Wayne wrote: »

I totally agree with this but I believe its done for one reason only... you guessed it, casuals!

I don't think that is a fair comment. Casual can mean so many things, but it doesn't have to be used pejoratively. So let's not take this thread in that direction.

Rataroto

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

This is not a TCG (Trading Card Game), its a CCG (Collecting Card Game).

CCGs are usually harder to make interesting for me since there's is nothing to lose or sacrifice in order to get something better for you specifically.

On top of that, by shuffling both decks together in order to play someone, it completely defeats the main aspect of card games, CCGs especially: Building something unique to your playstyle.

So its a CCG, in which deckbuilding doesn't matter. Or rather, is done on the fly between the players during the match. That is a format called DRAFT. And it isn't that popular within CCG and TCGs alike.

Finally here's the kicker for me: It is way too complex for its own good. 'Games within games' need to be short, optional and feel like you can just hop and play. Gwent is a good example, it was barebones on The Witcher 3, and got refined a bit more for the actual Gwent game. Though again, simple premisse. Having a game that has multiple win conditions, ifs, buts, whens, is just not good for something supposed to be casual and inserted INTO another game. TES already has a card game, it's called Elder Scrolls Legends; and for all of its faults, ESL is actually fun and well made, feeling unique but without overdoing or overcomplicating things.

And yes, as many have already pointed out, the fact that this brand CASUAL card game has a ranking system with leaderboards, rewards and actual ranks. Is just a massive slap on the face to all of those who give an iota of F about PvP.

alberichtano

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

_Zathras_ wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent.

I agree with you. I am not sure why they went with that design choice.

James-Wayne wrote: »

I totally agree with this but I believe its done for one reason only... you guessed it, casuals!

I don't think that is a fair comment. Casual can mean so many things, but it doesn't have to be used pejoratively. So let's not take this thread in that direction.

I believe they wanted to avoid the implication that it would be a P2W card game where it would be obvious that the best cards are buyable in the Crown Store or, worse, from Crown Crates. I still believe that that will be the case, but it is harder for me to maintain that while that function exists.

Arunei

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

I think it looks interesting and fun, and I'm sort of sad in stuck on Stadia for the time being and won't be able to take part in the PTS to try it myself.

_Zathras_ wrote: »

alberichtano wrote: »

I imagine that that would have been cool the first couple of times, but become more of a Stuga rather rapidly after that. If the extra pzaz was toggle-able though, sure, why not. Some people actually like Stuga, I hear.

Sure, and while my example came from one of Deltia's viewers, it still highlights that the current gameplay of ToT could be more visually interesting. As an example, here is MtG's gameplay. It's nothing crazy, but the little flashes and highlights make it interesting.

As a comparison, which is more of what I was expecting ToT to have, is ESO Legend's gameplay.

So both have similar elements. Both are also more visually attractive than ToT.

One person's visually attractive is another person's migraine or vision trigger. One of the biggest complaints with Scrying is the bright flashes of light; even though they're brief, they can still cause pain or mess with peoples' vision. Adding 'flair' to the card game would only work if that flair was a toggle people could turn off. They might have learned their lesson from Scrying and that's why the game is 'bland'.

Personally I don't need random flashes and flares for something to be interesting, especially if they add a lot of time to whatever you're doing.

Paulytnz

I am MORE interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

After watching the preview it seems to be more than I was expecting. And that's a good thing imo. It looks good, I can see myself getting addicted to it pretty easily, especially if there are good rewards with it, which I expect there will be.

The patrons part of it was a surprise to me and I think it will be there where the "deck building" or strategy part of that side of it will come into play. You will need to know what each patron's weaknesses and strengths are to be able to counter the decks your oppnt chooses.

Player 1 goes first to pick a deck and then player 2 chooses one to counter that or to set up their winning strategy. Player 2 then chooses their second deck before player 1, this may seem unfair at first, but it makes sense, because since player two got to play a deck to counter Player 1, now player 1 has a chance to choose a deck to counter Player 2.

It all looks good to me and fun. Though the twenty min playtimes might be a bit much. And I think the 90secs turns will be far too long for playing Vs other players. That can get bad and silly in card games when it comes to trolling. They did say in the stream it's shorter for playing against other players, but they didn't say how long which I would like to know.

LannStone

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

I spend a lot of time on the game already and don't see adding a card game as worth the time
I'm not saying that can't change once it's in game, especially if they link it to some reward I want
Certainly not if it's just some kind of achievement sticker
I can say I've gone through Witcher 3 twice and never played a game of Gwent

_Zathras_

I am LESS interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

alberichtano wrote: »

_Zathras_ wrote: »

RisenEclipse wrote: »

What is the point of collecting cards if it doesn't really matter.

A big factor of these card games is collecting cards so you can have an advantage over your opponent.

I agree with you. I am not sure why they went with that design choice.

James-Wayne wrote: »

I totally agree with this but I believe its done for one reason only... you guessed it, casuals!

I don't think that is a fair comment. Casual can mean so many things, but it doesn't have to be used pejoratively. So let's not take this thread in that direction.

I believe they wanted to avoid the implication that it would be a P2W card game where it would be obvious that the best cards are buyable in the Crown Store or, worse, from Crown Crates. I still believe that that will be the case, but it is harder for me to maintain that while that function exists.

I don't think you are entirely wrong on the Crown Store aspect, but I suppose we'll see soon enough.

Rataroto wrote: »

This is not a TCG (Trading Card Game), its a CCG (Collecting Card Game).

CCGs are usually harder to make interesting for me since there's is nothing to lose or sacrifice in order to get something better for you specifically.

On top of that, by shuffling both decks together in order to play someone, it completely defeats the main aspect of card games, CCGs especially: Building something unique to your playstyle.

So its a CCG, in which deckbuilding doesn't matter. Or rather, is done on the fly between the players during the match. That is a format called DRAFT. And it isn't that popular within CCG and TCGs alike.

Finally here's the kicker for me: It is way too complex for its own good. 'Games within games' need to be short, optional and feel like you can just hop and play. Gwent is a good example, it was barebones on The Witcher 3, and got refined a bit more for the actual Gwent game. Though again, simple premisse. Having a game that has multiple win conditions, ifs, buts, whens, is just not good for something supposed to be casual and inserted INTO another game. TES already has a card game, it's called Elder Scrolls Legends; and for all of its faults, ESL is actually fun and well made, feeling unique but without overdoing or overcomplicating things.

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I really liked your observations. Hopefully one of the dev's can comment somewhere on the distinctions you brought up, since they are reading all the feedback after the Twitch show.

propertyOfUndefined

I am NEUTRAL, and seeing the demo hasn't changed my opinion

Depends on the unique rewards. If the cosmetics they mentioned appeal to me and can’t be bought from guild traders, then sure… i’ll give it a go. If all I stood to earn were transmute crystals, I doubt I’d bother with an aspect of the game that in no way affects my characters, their progression, power level or uniqueness.

luen79rwb17_ESO

This is the game feature literally nobody asked for. It's too bad cause I love Bretons.

Heartrage

I am NEUTRAL, and seeing the demo hasn't changed my opinion

@alberichtano

Apparently, they really made it very clear to the content creators that it would not be monetized. It would’ve been nice to also hear it during the presentation.
(Source is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCA8VKkQrQU at 9m20s)

Punches_Below_Belt

I am LESS interested in playing the Card Game after seeing the demo

They certainly are being cagey about the rewards. Not making me hopeful.

HonestLoverr

I have ZERO INTEREST in the card game altogether

The main reason I bought ESO years ago on its release was for its massive PvP content of 3 faction wars. Its all about war wether against daedra on the PvE side or the faction war besides the tamriel wide crisis lore wise. Few MMO's touch the aspect of having massive PvP. The reason why I quit in the past several times was because server performance, unreliable skills (not firing etc.) in cyrodiil and PvP balance in general was a mess. Me and my wife returned to the game after hearing about High Isle and we thought "wow, look at this. Medieval stuff. Sounds like.. WAR!" and now we get a card game.. Was hoping for more PvP contents or at least a working and/or overhauled cyrodiil experience we have been waiting for all these years. I mean it got promised after all. But looks like all the medieval action will be restricted to easy peasy open world PvE quests only. Not against PvE don't get me wrong. Diving into cool intrugues like in GOT, Mandalorian or whatever and being part of it somehow has its flair. Its just that mobs die faster than a zerg to bombers and that really depletes the dangerous atmosphere out of whatever cool stories Zos came up with. In overland content I feel like a god among mortals regardless of the build I use. Playing as a duo always feels too much like a cakewalk. Raising the difficulty or giving the option to adjust PvE overland difficulty could fix this, but I doubt this will get implemented when I see what Zos focuses on.

Long Story Short: Bought it for medieval fantasy PvP wars, returned for the medieval fantasy PvP wars, and will play only for medieval fantasy PvP wars. Not gonna hate, but card games are all out boring compared to all out WAR!