The update is not what we needed.

Tomboski

Dear ZOS:

[snip] Please allow me to entreat you with some unsolicited advice...

1) Take #33 back and kill it with fire
2) Attempt to fix what has already been broken for years
3) Restore the game to a semi-functional state again
[snip]
5) Really, just leave it alone until you figure out how to "update" anything else with at least a modicum of success

[edited to remove bashing comments]

cepheus74

There is an obvious gap between PTS and Production. Fill this gap and this will not happen again, its that simple!

NettleCarrier

Not trying to defend them or anything, but there's a huge difference between a test environment with a few hundred people and a megaserver like PCNA. Notice how Europe is unaffected by these issues? Clearly it is not the game update specifically but rather something unpredictable with a test server OR it is related to the cold storage maintenance which somehow didn't affect PC-EU the same way as it did us.

Edit: Upon further research it seems it was one of the EU realms on console I was thinking of. All four console realms have already been completed.

Tornaad

Additionally, this is the first patch after they announced that they were going to be doing a rewrite of the foundational code of the server. There are bound to be some unforeseen bugs.

barney2525

Zuboko wrote: »

Additionally, this is the first patch after they announced that they were going to be doing a rewrite of the foundational code of the server. There are bound to be some unforeseen bugs.

Bugs? Ooooo... I can use them for River fishing .... which is completely Pointless now ... since ONE of my characters fished everything out.... nobody else gets to "earn" the title. And as a second point - The only reason to fish is for Perfect Roe .... therefore no one will ever want to spend CPs on fishing. All you will Want to catch is Normal fish. CPs make you catch trophy fish more often.

Tomboski

@ZOS_Ragnar if the "dart game" analogy won't fly, would "playing whack-a-mole with foreheads only" be too much bashism (asking for a friend)?

DMuehlhausen

NettleCarrier wrote: »

Not trying to defend them or anything, but there's a huge difference between a test environment with a few hundred people and a megaserver like PCNA. Notice how Europe is unaffected by these issues? Clearly it is not the game update specifically but rather something unpredictable with a test server OR it is related to the cold storage maintenance which somehow didn't affect PC-EU the same way as it did us.

You're speaking to high level. Anything past it doesn't work is to hard for most people to understand. They don't get the intricacies of coding and development and that changing one line of code from 2015 can break entire systems. Best example of this is a modder found a single misspelled word in Alien v Predator Colonial Marines. The word tether had been spelled wrong. That single typo destroyed the AI for the Aliens and made the game essentially unplayable and nobody at the company ever noticed it. It took 3 or 4 years out of support for anybody in the modding community to notice it. Once he changed the spelling the game started reacting like it should.

barney2525

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

NettleCarrier wrote: »

Not trying to defend them or anything, but there's a huge difference between a test environment with a few hundred people and a megaserver like PCNA. Notice how Europe is unaffected by these issues? Clearly it is not the game update specifically but rather something unpredictable with a test server OR it is related to the cold storage maintenance which somehow didn't affect PC-EU the same way as it did us.

You're speaking to high level. Anything past it doesn't work is to hard for most people to understand. They don't get the intricacies of coding and development and that changing one line of code from 2015 can break entire systems. Best example of this is a modder found a single misspelled word in Alien v Predator Colonial Marines. The word tether had been spelled wrong. That single typo destroyed the AI for the Aliens and made the game essentially unplayable and nobody at the company ever noticed it. It took 3 or 4 years out of support for anybody in the modding community to notice it. Once he changed the spelling the game started reacting like it should.

Huh ???

One misspelled word in a mod... destroyed the AI for the Aliens .... so it was unplayable. Uh huh. Nobody at the Company... even Noticed that their game was Unplayable with this mod. Uh hah ? It took over 3 years for anyone in the Modding community... to notice .... TO NOTICE ... this mod made the game unplayable.

Now why... would someone be skeptical about this example ?? hmmmm ???

Tomboski

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

You're speaking to high level. Anything past it doesn't work is to hard for most people to understand. They don't get the intricacies of coding and development and that changing one line of code from 2015 can break entire systems. Best example of this is a modder found a single misspelled word in Alien v Predator Colonial Marines. The word tether had been spelled wrong. That single typo destroyed the AI for the Aliens and made the game essentially unplayable and nobody at the company ever noticed it. It took 3 or 4 years out of support for anybody in the modding community to notice it. Once he changed the spelling the game started reacting like it should.

<insert obscure anecdote that may or may not be entirely accurate to conveniently validate a moot point>

Mythgard1967

Well....google does seem to support the story being told...and it is a kind of funny read.....

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/a-years-old-one-letter-typo-led-to-aliens-colonial-marines-awful-ai/

karekiz

barney2525 wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

NettleCarrier wrote: »

Not trying to defend them or anything, but there's a huge difference between a test environment with a few hundred people and a megaserver like PCNA. Notice how Europe is unaffected by these issues? Clearly it is not the game update specifically but rather something unpredictable with a test server OR it is related to the cold storage maintenance which somehow didn't affect PC-EU the same way as it did us.

You're speaking to high level. Anything past it doesn't work is to hard for most people to understand. They don't get the intricacies of coding and development and that changing one line of code from 2015 can break entire systems. Best example of this is a modder found a single misspelled word in Alien v Predator Colonial Marines. The word tether had been spelled wrong. That single typo destroyed the AI for the Aliens and made the game essentially unplayable and nobody at the company ever noticed it. It took 3 or 4 years out of support for anybody in the modding community to notice it. Once he changed the spelling the game started reacting like it should.

Huh ???

One misspelled word in a mod... destroyed the AI for the Aliens .... so it was unplayable. Uh huh. Nobody at the Company... even Noticed that their game was Unplayable with this mod. Uh hah ? It took over 3 years for anyone in the Modding community... to notice .... TO NOTICE ... this mod made the game unplayable.

Now why... would someone be skeptical about this example ?? hmmmm ???

Starcraft 2 had a bug where it would melt your graphics card:

https://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/starcraft-2-bug-is-melting-graphics-cards-heres-the-fix/

Simply they forgot to make one edit which resulted in my brothers graphics card dying.

Yes code can be weird. Yes, games can crash your entire OS. Yes mods can crash your game.

Hell I had to **DOWNGRADE** my graphics card during Flames of Ambition patch once they updated the background of character select. It would hard crash my entire system. Literally went from playable one PTS to not playable the next week.