[Edit]Racial passives need to go for hybridization/ removal in the next patch

Vanos444

As the title says,

ZoS, please have a look at the racials, by implementing hybridization to skills there is a need for hybridizing the current races as well or just remove them and keep the first passive like,

Let the Argonian gain 100% boost in leveling a healing staff skill line. So, with that an argonian at level 10 will max out the healing staff tree...
Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

We already have CP to increase the stats for healing, running speed, etc...but instead of the current percentage. Its increased more....
So, unlock CP at level 10.

This will give players to play any race that they want and it doesn't make them feel that racial segregation is in the game....

Like, A Bosmer can become a top tank race without having a disadvantage, An Imperial can be the top healing race without being labelled as a tank race...this will give players variety, just like how Final Fantasy XIV offers....

Edit:
Let the passives be bought from CP tree.
Also increase the CP slot from 4 to 8.

[snip]

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

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TX12001rwb17_ESO

If each race gained Hybrid racial abilities then the races which already have them would need to be buffed to compensate.

Vanos444

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

If each race gained Hybrid racial abilities then the races which already have them would need to be buffed to compensate.

Yes! That also must be taken into consideration.
I feel that the removal of racial passive would solve the issue [snip]

Just look at redguards, they are the bottom down racial choice for ESO.
[snip]
@TX12001rwb17_ESO

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ArgonianAustin

You wanting swim speed removed? I really like it.

Vanos444

ArgonianAustin wrote: »

You wanting swim speed removed? I really like it.

Well, your character is considered as a hero. So, by default you will have the swim speed skill by purchasing it on CP tree.
@ArgonianAustin

Tommy_The_Gun

Tbh. I think that the choice of the race should be something more than just the appearance & RP. Because OP suggestions, means that race would be basically "a skin" for a character. Each race should provide slightly different playstyle & min-max build options.

The current issue with racial passives is that some bonuses are stronger (and therefore more desired) than others. A good example would be Argonian's healing bonus that is easily outclassed by weapon / spell dmg bonus, but both of those are treated equally as the "set bons" strength is similar.

I think that most races are more or less in a good spot, but some are not (Redguard, Argonian, Wood Elf) and should be kinda buffed, but it should be done "case by case". Currently it was done mathematically, so each race would have similar power budget, but since we can clearly tell that some races are weaker than others - then it means that balancing requires something more than pure math & spreadsheets.

Vanos444

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tbh. I think that the choice of the race should be something more than just the appearance & RP. Because OP suggestions, means that race would be basically "a skin" for a character. Each race should provide slightly different playstyle & min-max build options.

The current issue with racial passives is that some bonuses are stronger (and therefore more desired) than others. A good example would be Argonian's healing bonus that is easily outclassed by weapon / spell dmg bonus, but both of those are treated equally as the "set bons" strength is similar.

I think that most races are more or less in a good spot, but some are not (Redguard, Argonian, Wood Elf) and should be kinda buffed, but it should be done "case by case". Currently it was done mathematically, so each race would have similar power budget, but since we can clearly tell that some races are weaker than others - then it means that balancing requires something more than pure math & spreadsheets.

Best to remove them and put those passives on CP tree that we can purchase...imo
That why, any player can play any race as they want, without having the fear of being left behind.
@Tommy_The_Gun

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Vanos444 wrote: »

Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

Lost all interest here. Stop touching things races are known for. It's enough bosmer lost their stealth.

Sylvermynx

Sorry. Sounds like a terrible idea to me.

JKorr

Vanos444 wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

If each race gained Hybrid racial abilities then the races which already have them would need to be buffed to compensate.

Yes! That also must be taken into consideration.
I feel that the removal of racial passive would solve the issue [snip]

Just look at redguards, they are the bottom down racial choice for ESO.
[snip]

Really. The game is unplayable if you don't use a redguard? I guess, depending on what your goals are that might be true. I've been here since beta, and still don't have a redguard. I'm playing for fun, I play pve, and I don't do trials or pvp/battlegrounds. I've had no issues. Of course I'm not playing the uber competitive gottawinitall type, so it works for me.

Why not simply make one race, one min/maxed, male only default character and let everyone build to the current fotm? In the name of racial equality make a default character that removes any sense of individuality from the game. Throw everything in a blender so everyone is equal. That wouldn't possibly ruin the game. /sarcasm

Vrienda

So long as I get free race changes and name changes again they can buff and nerf whatever they like! Kinda wanna swap my warden and nightblade's races around and fiddle with my vampire sorcerer some.

U_D_D_I_N_R

Vanos444 wrote: »

As the title says,

ZoS, please have a look at the racials, by implementing hybridization to skills there is a need for hybridizing the current races as well or just remove them and keep the first passive like,

Let the Argonian gain 100% boost in leveling a healing staff skill line. So, with that an argonian at level 10 will max out the healing staff tree...
Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

We already have CP to increase the stats for healing, running speed, etc...but instead of the current percentage. Its increased more....

This will give players to play any race that they want and it doesn't make them feel that racial segregation is in the game....

Like, A Bosmer can become a top tank race without having a disadvantage, An Imperial can be the top healing race without being labelled as a tank race...this will give players variety, just like how Final Fantasy XIV offers....

Edit:
Let the passives be bought from CP tree.
Also increase the CP slot from 4 to 8.

[snip]

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Stop comparing mmos each mmo has different purposes and gameplay, people love the argonian swim speed, look at what happened to vamp/ww when people asked for changes then race changes, dark elf became hella weak after that 1st race update 2 years back.

Jusey1

Vanos444 wrote: »

Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

No. I will be very angry if I lose my swim speed. Begone with your silly ideas.

Kalle_Demos

No.

Einher2137

Big NOPE for this thread.

FeedbackOnly

I like things as they are though lizard friends need a slight buff

Amottica

I like the passives and do not think they need to become vanilla.


So a big no from me as well.

francesinhalover

Weaker races could use a small buff , but thats it.
Redguard, imperial, maybe argonian but thats it.

Othniel327

Hard pass. I like passives giving each race at least a little flavor of the lore attached to them.

Vanos444

Jusey1 wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

No. I will be very angry if I lose my swim speed. Begone with your silly ideas.

You will that swim speed from CP tree...
Infact, all Races will have that now...with the change that I have suggested.
@Jusey1

Vanos444

Othniel327 wrote: »

Hard pass. I like passives giving each race at least a little flavor of the lore attached to them.

Your character is considered as a hero that could slay a demon god.
So, all Races will have those flavors by unlocking those passives from CP tree .
@Othniel327

Vanos444

francesinhalover wrote: »

Weaker races could use a small buff , but thats it.
Redguard, imperial, maybe argonian but thats it.

Then, we will be back to the same problem of unbalancing races
@francesinhalover

Sheezabeast

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. [snip]

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Vanos444

U_D_D_I_N_R wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

As the title says,

ZoS, please have a look at the racials, by implementing hybridization to skills there is a need for hybridizing the current races as well or just remove them and keep the first passive like,

Let the Argonian gain 100% boost in leveling a healing staff skill line. So, with that an argonian at level 10 will max out the healing staff tree...
Not their swim speed or posion resistance. That's as to be removed.

We already have CP to increase the stats for healing, running speed, etc...but instead of the current percentage. Its increased more....

This will give players to play any race that they want and it doesn't make them feel that racial segregation is in the game....

Like, A Bosmer can become a top tank race without having a disadvantage, An Imperial can be the top healing race without being labelled as a tank race...this will give players variety, just like how Final Fantasy XIV offers....

Edit:
Let the passives be bought from CP tree.
Also increase the CP slot from 4 to 8.

Come-on, ZoS! You can do it! You guys aren't like blizzard, the fall from grace company!!
Make the change and be better than blizzard!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

Stop comparing mmos each mmo has different purposes and gameplay, people love the argonian swim speed, look at what happened to vamp/ww when people asked for changes then race changes, dark elf became hella weak after that 1st race update 2 years back.

If you read the ESO mission and vision Statement then you will understand.
They specifically said, they want players to play whatever they want without being tied to some random bs meta
@U_D_D_I_N_R

Vanos444

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. [snip]

Times have changed...
You as a player are considered by default as a hero. So, you can adapt and attain passive skills of other races for you have slayed a god, demon, beast...etc.

This is a MMO, ppl want to play their favorite race and not be harassed by the meta builds and kicks from group due to low performance for the races that they selected.

A MMO isn't like the standard offline single player games like Skyrim or any other TES titles...

[snip]

I for one, would want to play a Breton stamina class ( especially with the new expansion that promotes Bretons.) But sadly, I can't use any weapons but staffs, because my races is tied to Magicka build.
So, I am forced to play an ORC instead of a Breton for being a stamina class. Which I am not happy about it....

And before you say it that race doesn't matter in ESO, [snip]
Eventually, you will reach end game and then you will see the huge difference from choosing an underpowered race over a race that boost the stats of your playstyle...that's the sad truth, currently now in ESO.
@Sheezabeast

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Sheezabeast

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. [snip]

Times have changed...
You as a player are considered by default as a hero. So, you can adapt and attain passive skills of other races for you have slayed a god, demon, beast...etc.

This is a MMO, ppl want to play their favorite race and not be harassed by the meta builds and kicks from group due to low performance for the races that they selected.

A MMO isn't like the standard offline single player games like Skyrim or any other TES titles...

We need not to be segregated over the race we choose to play with and be shunned by it.

I for one, would want to play a Breton stamina class ( especially with the new expansion that promotes Bretons.) But sadly, I can't use any weapons but staffs, because my races is tied to Magicka build.
So, I am forced to play an ORC instead of a Breton for being a stamina class. Which I am not happy about it....

And before you say it that race doesn't matter in ESO, [snip]
Eventually, you will reach end game and then you will see the huge difference from choosing an underpowered race over a race that boost the stats of your playstyle...that's the sad truth, currently now in ESO.
@Sheezabeast

1) 90% of people do not start the game in The Harborage, therefore, do not become a Hero of the grandeur of which you speak by default. Hero status is earned.

2) It is a bloviated myth that your race blocks you from content. The stat difference is so slight that it can be made up with with enchantments, mundas, food, and jewelry traits. If you are in a raid with people that would kick you for not being a race they approve of, report them and find better friends. People claim this happens but no one ever personally details accounts of this, it is aggrandized and has become a myth.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

Vanos444

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. [snip]

Times have changed...
You as a player are considered by default as a hero. So, you can adapt and attain passive skills of other races for you have slayed a god, demon, beast...etc.

This is a MMO, ppl want to play their favorite race and not be harassed by the meta builds and kicks from group due to low performance for the races that they selected.

A MMO isn't like the standard offline single player games like Skyrim or any other TES titles...

We need not to be segregated over the race we choose to play with and be shunned by it.

I for one, would want to play a Breton stamina class ( especially with the new expansion that promotes Bretons.) But sadly, I can't use any weapons but staffs, because my races is tied to Magicka build.
So, I am forced to play an ORC instead of a Breton for being a stamina class. Which I am not happy about it....

And before you say it that race doesn't matter in ESO, [snip]
Eventually, you will reach end game and then you will see the huge difference from choosing an underpowered race over a race that boost the stats of your playstyle...that's the sad truth, currently now in ESO.
@Sheezabeast

1) 90% of people do not start the game in The Harborage, therefore, do not become a Hero of the grandeur of which you speak by default. Hero status is earned.

2) It is a bloviated myth that your race blocks you from content. The stat difference is so slight that it can be made up with with enchantments, mundas, food, and jewelry traits. If you are in a raid with people that would kick you for not being a race they approve of, report them and find better friends. People claim this happens but no one ever personally details accounts of this, it is aggrandized and has become a myth.

[snip]

1. You end up being a hero of something...
2. No! Racial passive does matter alot and also block you from out performing others.
3. End game is PvP...[snip] The trials, dungeons, etc aren't end game that ppl like to say it, in ESO. PvP is the true End game and veterans would agree. For, I am also a veteran of this game.
Played from 2015 onwards till now.

[snip]

@Sheezabeast

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colossalvoids

Pretty sure there's still a difference between hybridisation and homogenization.

Sheezabeast

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. It sounds like you would rather be playing a different game.

Times have changed...
You as a player are considered by default as a hero. So, you can adapt and attain passive skills of other races for you have slayed a god, demon, beast...etc.

This is a MMO, ppl want to play their favorite race and not be harassed by the meta builds and kicks from group due to low performance for the races that they selected.

A MMO isn't like the standard offline single player games like Skyrim or any other TES titles...

We need not to be segregated over the race we choose to play with and be shunned by it.

I for one, would want to play a Breton stamina class ( especially with the new expansion that promotes Bretons.) But sadly, I can't use any weapons but staffs, because my races is tied to Magicka build.
So, I am forced to play an ORC instead of a Breton for being a stamina class. Which I am not happy about it....

And before you say it that race doesn't matter in ESO, [snip]
Eventually, you will reach end game and then you will see the huge difference from choosing an underpowered race over a race that boost the stats of your playstyle...that's the sad truth, currently now in ESO.
@Sheezabeast

1) 90% of people do not start the game in The Harborage, therefore, do not become a Hero of the grandeur of which you speak by default. Hero status is earned.

2) It is a bloviated myth that your race blocks you from content. The stat difference is so slight that it can be made up with with enchantments, mundas, food, and jewelry traits. If you are in a raid with people that would kick you for not being a race they approve of, report them and find better friends. People claim this happens but no one ever personally details accounts of this, it is aggrandized and has become a myth.

[snip]

1. You end up being a hero of something...
2. No! Racial passive does matter alot and also block you from out performing others.
3. End game is PvP...[snip] The trials, dungeons, etc aren't end game that ppl like to say it, in ESO. PvP is the true End game and veterans would agree. For, I am also a veteran of this game.
Played from 2015 onwards till now.

[snip]

@Sheezabeast

I beta tested and played since launch day, I've been Emperor, and I do end game trials. [snip]

Being unhappy because someone doesn't want to play with you because they don't like the power ranger you brought with you to the playground doesn't mean you take away the color of the power ranger and make them all generic rangers.

[edited for baiting]

Vanos444

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Racial identity goes hand in hand with Class identity, you build a character and role with their racials and passives in mind. Why would you want this? Racial identity and Class identity are very integral to the Elder Scrolls universe. [snip]

Times have changed...
You as a player are considered by default as a hero. So, you can adapt and attain passive skills of other races for you have slayed a god, demon, beast...etc.

This is a MMO, ppl want to play their favorite race and not be harassed by the meta builds and kicks from group due to low performance for the races that they selected.

A MMO isn't like the standard offline single player games like Skyrim or any other TES titles...

We need not to be segregated over the race we choose to play with and be shunned by it.

I for one, would want to play a Breton stamina class ( especially with the new expansion that promotes Bretons.) But sadly, I can't use any weapons but staffs, because my races is tied to Magicka build.
So, I am forced to play an ORC instead of a Breton for being a stamina class. Which I am not happy about it....

And before you say it that race doesn't matter in ESO, [snip]
Eventually, you will reach end game and then you will see the huge difference from choosing an underpowered race over a race that boost the stats of your playstyle...that's the sad truth, currently now in ESO.
@Sheezabeast

1) 90% of people do not start the game in The Harborage, therefore, do not become a Hero of the grandeur of which you speak by default. Hero status is earned.

2) It is a bloviated myth that your race blocks you from content. The stat difference is so slight that it can be made up with with enchantments, mundas, food, and jewelry traits. If you are in a raid with people that would kick you for not being a race they approve of, report them and find better friends. People claim this happens but no one ever personally details accounts of this, it is aggrandized and has become a myth.

[snip]

1. You end up being a hero of something...
2. No! Racial passive does matter alot and also block you from out performing others.
3. End game is PvP [snip] The trials, dungeons, etc aren't end game that ppl like to say it, in ESO. PvP is the true End game and veterans would agree. For, I am also a veteran of this game.
Played from 2015 onwards till now.

[snip]

@Sheezabeast

I beta tested and played since launch day, I've been Emperor, and I do end game trials. [snip]

Being unhappy because someone doesn't want to play with you because they don't like the power ranger you brought with you to the playground doesn't mean you take away the color of the power ranger and make them all generic rangers.

[snip]
I have also been an emperor on multiple characters..just have a ball group around you ( your guldies/ friends)and collect AP by grinding the mob players...

[snip]

I, on the other hand, want racial removed for its something that promotes balance.

[snip]

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M0ntie

No. I like the racial differentiation as it is.