Dear Zos - Love the Deconstruction Assistant IF it reflects our passives/CP/ knowledge

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

This will be a real quality of life improvement for me IF it reflects our character's deconstruction knowledge & level so CP passives/ Crafting Passives etc. I decon pretty much every piece of Blue or Purple armour or weapon that is valued under 1000 gold for reselling purposes. The Crown price is still too much but I know you won't change that

So please confirm if it reflects all of our deconstruction knowledge , passives, CP points etc? Because if not it will be an expensive waste of crowns so no point buying it.

Ta very much from a
Grand Master Crafter & crafting addict

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@ZOS_GinaBruno

DaiKahn

I'm going to hazard a guess and say it won't because it's a convenience item and will have some neutering like the merchant and fence assistants do

I'd love to be wrong

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

DaiKahn wrote: »

I'm going to hazard a guess and say it won't because it's a convenience item and will have some neutering like the merchant and fence assistants do

I'd love to be wrong

I wonder though if that was because

1. It was free
2. Because of the amount of gold that could be made if you had multiple characters

If they neuter deconstruction in the assistant, for players with all the passives maxed, it makes no point to waste crowns on it

Czeri

OP, that's a very good point. I will not pay for something that will make deconstructing less useful than it is now. I'll just continue giving the extra gear to the banker (whom I already have) until I happen upon crafting stations.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Czeri wrote: »

OP, that's a very good point. I will not pay for something that will make deconstructing less useful than it is now. I'll just continue giving the extra gear to the banker (whom I already have) until I happen upon crafting stations.

That is exactly my view, I can cope perfectly well as it is now. But this is a great quality of life improvement ONLY if it doesn't defeat the purpose of deconstructing blue/purple stuff for the shinies. Less shinies & I'll keep my crowns

proprio.meb16_ESO

I think there's no reason for it not working as the deconstruct at any workbench... it's a human but it will be most probably you that materially deconstruct items, devs should otherwise be forced to implement something different.

It will be perfect for when you get overwhelmed with purple stuff while doing your pledges, much like merchant and banker in the same exact situation. I'm pretty tempted to get it as soon as it gets available....

Artanisul

They will lose money if it doesnt take advantage of our passives. So, it will take advantage of our passives...

Onomog

It will be a nice quality of life improvement to have this assistant, and I can't imagine them implementing it with out player passives affecting it - kind of defeats the purpose, IMO. That said, however, the more important question for me is if they will have a crow version.

ShawnLaRock

…kiiiiiind of like not being able to change Mundus defeats the purpose of the Armourer. Hmm…

S.

Onomog

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

…kiiiiiind of like not being able to change Mundus defeats the purpose of the Armourer. Hmm…

S.

Wasn't aware that the Armory assistant had that limitation. Given that, it's possible that this new one will be hamstrung in a similar way. I guess we'll see.

RicAlmighty

I just find it funny that instead of just adding deconstruction to an existing assistant, they chose to make another 5000 crown purchase for something that is ostensibly less useful than either of the other two. Why not just put deconstructible items in your bank and deconstruct them later? If you are running so many dungeons back to back that you need a banker, a merchant, AND a deconstruction assistant, maybe you should take a break.

M0ntie

I thought this was one of the best things in the reveal. But if it doesn’t use your character’s CP and skill points I WONT be buying one. If I didn’t want all the mats I’d just sell them in the merchant.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

RicAlmighty wrote: »

Why not just put deconstructible items in your bank and deconstruct them later? If you are running so many dungeons back to back that you need a banker, a merchant, AND a deconstruction assistant, maybe you should take a break.

Putting a smilie at the end does not change that you are judging other peoples play styles as wrong & telling them what to do.

Your concern that anyone wanting to get the new deconstruction assistant is playing to much, would be better addressed to Zos directly. And they can cancel plans to put it in the crown shop.

And I'm not running dungeons

Thavie

Adding another assistant that helps you to deal with clutter in your backpack is just another sign of how bad inventory management has become. And the fact that it is yet again crown only is another problem I have with this game. Everything is crown store, on top of the not-so-optional-if-you-don't-want-to-suffer sub. At this point, I don't care anymore if it's actually useful or not. It's too much already.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Thavie wrote: »

Adding another assistant that helps you to deal with clutter in your backpack is just another sign of how bad inventory management has become. And the fact that it is yet again crown only is another problem I have with this game. Everything is crown store, on top of the not-so-optional-if-you-don't-want-to-suffer sub. At this point, I don't care anymore if it's actually useful or not. It's too much already.

I have some sympathy with that position. But they were never going to give us this for free It is Zos after all. One other consequence is that the quick slot wheel needs extra slots.

Salmeyna

If i don't remember wrongly, then on one of the post-reveal shows (i watched UK and DE) they clarified that skills and cps will flow in, the assistant malus is that you can't decon over your skill level.

BalticBlues

RicAlmighty wrote: »

Why not just put deconstructible items in your bank and deconstruct them later?

THIS. I do not have a free quickslot for another assistant,
and calling the decon assistant over the regular menu would take far too long.
So if I really need inventory space, I call the banker to store things to deconstruct later.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

BalticBlues wrote: »

RicAlmighty wrote: »

Why not just put deconstructible items in your bank and deconstruct them later?

THIS. I do not have a free quickslot for another assistant,
and calling the decon assistant over the regular menu takes far too long.
So if I really need inventory space, I call the banker to store things for deconstruct later.

We are in my opinion overdue for the quickslot wheel to have extra slots added

Arunei

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

…kiiiiiind of like not being able to change Mundus defeats the purpose of the Armourer. Hmm…

S.

To be fair, though, the Armorer can let you swap between Vampire/WW/mortal and save CP/skill/gear loadouts. Not saving Mundus Stones doesn't defeat the purpose of it when the main purpose is the stuff it can already do. However, the decon Assistant only exists to decon when away from crafting stations, so it not having access to the player's passives and CP would indeed defeat the purpose of having it, since most everyone would just wait until they get to a city with crafting stations to decon things. For the people who don't care about getting the mats from deconning and just care about bag space while out doing stuff, they probably already have the Merchant and just sell the things they pick up.

Kesstryl

Salmeyna wrote: »

If i don't remember wrongly, then on one of the post-reveal shows (i watched UK and DE) they clarified that skills and cps will flow in, the assistant malus is that you can't decon over your skill level.

That would be good news. The next thing irritating me is her title "the Ragsplitter" on a Bosmer. She's probably the only assistant I would consider as being pretty, and they gave her an ugly title. Just take the title off, it's not funny or amusing in any way. I hate all the hate woodelves get.

Dagoth_Rac

I am guessing you can decon just like at a normal station, but not construct or research or upgrade, etc. That seems like a reasonable compromise to make it useful but not a replacement for the normal stations.

Vevvev

HedgehogFeet wrote: »

DaiKahn wrote: »

I'm going to hazard a guess and say it won't because it's a convenience item and will have some neutering like the merchant and fence assistants do

I'd love to be wrong

I wonder though if that was because

1. It was free
2. Because of the amount of gold that could be made if you had multiple characters

If they neuter deconstruction in the assistant, for players with all the passives maxed, it makes no point to waste crowns on it

Merchant assistant can't repair your gear, and the banker can't access the guild store or guild banks.

Czeri

You know what assisstant I'd pay real good money for? One that would exchange crafting surveys for mats. And if they could also exchange one level of crafting mats for another, so all those lower level mats that we keep getting for turning in writs would stop being useless? I'd gladly spend 10k crowns for that!

Finedaible

This is perhaps the weirdest announcement yet, but I dislike how they keep cutting up functionality improvements and quality of life features and selling it to us at a premium as assistants. This is especially insulting as an ESO+ subscriber as we don't even get a discount on crown store purchases.

My money would be on betting this new deconstruction assistant will be overpriced and not benefit from the player's deconstruction perks. All the other assistants have some kind of glaring drawback to them and this one will be no different. Remember Pirharri the Smuggler? She may be useless but at least she was obtainable via gameplay. They could easily offer an assistant as a chapter feature which does everything a banker, merchant, and repairer could do yet they will continue to sell us QoL as overpriced piecemeal additions.

Onyx_Werewolf_Gnome

Finedaible wrote: »

TRemember Pirharri the Smuggler? She may be useless but at least she was obtainable via gameplay. They could easily offer an assistant as a chapter feature which does everything a banker, merchant, and repairer could do yet they will continue to sell us QoL as overpriced piecemeal additions.

As was I stated towards the start of the thread the smuggler's assistant was free

Demo_22

You cant fix your gear at your merchant, access guild bank with the banker and change mudnus stones with the armourer. So I guess this one will also have some drawbacks

spartaxoxo

DaiKahn wrote: »

I'm going to hazard a guess and say it won't because it's a convenience item and will have some neutering like the merchant and fence assistants do

I'd love to be wrong

My guess is it will but you won't be able to refine.

All or most (can't remember off the top of my head) of the deconstruction passives also give a bonus to refining.

All of the current assistants (minus the Armory) represent things that multiple functions. The convenience item allows you to use one of the functions anywhere at the loss of the others functions.

So the Fence can sell but not launder.
The merchant can trade, but not repair.
The banker can offer banking for your personal account but not your guild, and also doesn't give access to the guild store.

All of them utilize any passive upgrades of their task that you already own.

Therefore I expect the Decon assistant can deconstruct but not refine if service is based off the passives. It's also possible but far less likely it can do both but not create or improve because ZoS visualizes it as a replacement for the crafting tables.

My money is on decon only is it's restriction though, using all passives. That would put it in line with the other assistants. I can see it also offering refining, but I don't think there's any chance that it's weakness is not using passives.

WraithShadow13

I fully agree with the aspect that it's already going to be a lesser thing, just because they're selling it. There's no way it will do anything but the bare minimal breakdowns and even then, i wouldn't be surprised if they tacked some other lame cost onto it, like they do the others.

A merchant that doesn't repair

A banker that can't access the guild bank

A thief that takes a bigger cut that needed

the Armory guy seems cool so far.


i wouldn't doubt if it had a hidden "lower chance of", either. [snip] They're not EA or Cryptic but it's not too far off, anymore.

[edited for bashing]

spartaxoxo

spartaxoxo wrote: »

DaiKahn wrote: »

I'm going to hazard a guess and say it won't because it's a convenience item and will have some neutering like the merchant and fence assistants do

I'd love to be wrong

My guess is it will but you won't be able to refine.

All or most (can't remember off the top of my head) of the deconstruction passives also give a bonus to refining.

All of the current assistants (minus the Armory) represent things that multiple functions. The convenience item allows you to use one of the functions anywhere at the loss of the others functions.

So the Fence can sell but not launder.
The merchant can trade, but not repair.
The banker can offer banking for your personal account but not your guild, and also doesn't give access to the guild store.

All of them utilize any passive upgrades of their task that you already own.

Therefore I expect the Decon assistant can deconstruct but not refine if service is based off the passives. It's also possible but far less likely it can do both but not create or improve because ZoS visualizes it as a replacement for the crafting tables.

My money is on decon only is it's restriction though, using all passives. That would put it in line with the other assistants. I can see it also offering refining, but I don't think there's any chance that it's weakness is not using passives.

Nailed it.

Players in your group and visitors (with proper permissions) in homes have access to Giladil’s services.
Giladil can only be summoned while out adventuring in non-PvP areas, as well as placed in homes.
Using Giladil’s services award Inspiration the same way deconstructing items at a crafting station does.
This Assistant does not allow for crafting or refining, and will not allow you to access deconstruction for crafting skills you do not have.
Crafting abilities that affect deconstruction still apply when using this Assistant.

Necrotech_Master

the only effective downside to the armory assistant is you cant use it in scored vet content (trial and arena), but it is effectively the same as the armory table in the house (probably has the least noticeable downside for the "average adventurer")

i personally havent gotten the armory assistant because i dont use armory system

however i will almost guarantee i will be getting the deconstruction assistant, with whatever limitation it has

zaria

Demo_22 wrote: »

You cant fix your gear at your merchant, access guild bank with the banker and change mudnus stones with the armourer. So I guess this one will also have some drawbacks

However this makes the deconstruct assistant useless outside some very specific settings. Trial has crafting stations in the lobby and has been in plenty of trial marathons.
Pledges is 2-3 dungeons, gear farming is normal outside monster and jewelry and you can just exit and deconstruct between runs.
I prefer to decon blue stuff but sells except jewelry if inventory is full, or I can just bank it and decon later.
The Deconstruction Assistant is an QoL this one will pick up if she works like an standard crafting station.
If not she will be as useless as the smuggler Khajiit lady who is only a fun pet to freak out people in pug dungeons.