Question on Light/Heavy attacks and weapon choice

MrTarkanian48

I’ve been out of the game awhile and still getting caught up on mechanics changes.

I’m wondering if melee weapons have changed at all in how they scale with Magicka builds.

If I were to run a melee magicka build would my LA/HA scale with max mag and Spell Damage if I were to use melee weapons like dual wield to take advantage of Twin blade blunt passive? Or are you still better off using stalves?

Do fully charge HA with melee weapons only return stamina regardless of your build?

vms11934

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

If I were to run a melee magicka build would my LA/HA scale with max mag and Spell Damage if I were to use melee weapons like dual wield to take advantage of Twin blade blunt passive?

Yes. LA and HA use highest stats.

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Do fully charge HA with melee weapons only return stamina regardless of your build?

Yes

Seminolegirl1992

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I’ve been out of the game awhile and still getting caught up on mechanics changes.

I’m wondering if melee weapons have changed at all in how they scale with Magicka builds.

If I were to run a melee magicka build would my LA/HA scale with max mag and Spell Damage if I were to use melee weapons like dual wield to take advantage of Twin blade blunt passive? Or are you still better off using stalves?

Do fully charge HA with melee weapons only return stamina regardless of your build?

As far as I'm aware, some melee builds dual wield daggers and get higher damage, but typically it performs very well in a parse setting but not a trial, as you may need to be ranged or get resources back from a HA, which unfortunately would only give you stamina.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

The damage scales with the highest resource, but I believe the resource return depends on weapon types (please correct me if I am wrong on that second part). For true stack and burns, magic will typically go DW when min/maxing assuming they can be in melee. That said, the damage difference is 1-2k. I pretty much only run DW on magic when parsing on a dummy. LOL

You can also get creative with the weapon types for magic. For example, if its a really fast fight (Burst), maybe a 4 man fight, VMA boss, or something like spider boss in VHOF, you might see something like a combo of Mechanical Acuity (100% crit) and DW Axes (increase crit damage done in twin blade passive), but I would never suggest that for an all around approach. If you dont plan to swap gear between fights, save yourself the headache and run a fire staff.

Seminolegirl1992

^ That is a good way to look at it. And yeah, you're right that the resource return depends on the weapon. Melee/bow gives stam. Min maxing, yes, you can get more with dw daggers, but in an actual setting it's probably best to go with staves. Just depends on the situation. Have both on hand

MrTarkanian48

@Seminolegirl1992 @Oreyn_Bearclaw

Thanks for the input. I actually was interested in this information from a pvp perspective, and definitely dont plan on using melee weapons on my mag pve toons.

But hypothetically:

If a stam player had 30k stam, 10k pen, and 3000 weapon damage.

Then a mag character had 30k mag, 10k pen, and 3000 spell damage.

Assuming all gear and passives are the same

Would they each hit for the same damage on LA/HA with melee weapons?

Seminolegirl1992

Ohh. Now that's a good question. I do notice a lot more build diversity when it comes to pvp. Like many magicka toons using 1h/s on one bar. I have no idea :x

Oreyn_Bearclaw

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

@Seminolegirl1992 @Oreyn_Bearclaw

Thanks for the input. I actually was interested in this information from a pvp perspective, and definitely dont plan on using melee weapons on my mag pve toons.

But hypothetically:

If a stam player had 30k stam, 10k pen, and 3000 weapon damage.

Then a mag character had 30k mag, 10k pen, and 3000 spell damage.

Assuming all gear and passives are the same

Would they each hit for the same damage on LA/HA with melee weapons?

I believe the answer to that is yes, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. LOL.

I think the reality is that it is very difficult to build stam and magic to identical specs like that, but I think end of the day, it comes down to a math equation.

Ippokrates

Yeah, i just checked on my magplar - dagger & fire staff - difference is minimal.

Larcomar

I think the answer is yes, now, kind of. But that they're not going to. Well, daggers vs a shock staff, maybe. But remember that if youre running an inferno staff you get +10% single target damage, dual swords will give you 284 more spell /wpn damage, and if you're running a greatsword you'll have 500 more spell damage. With major sorc/brutality, that can go as high as 600. I'm tempted to go use the armory thing to take all atributes, passives etc out and test but I slightly worry Ill end up with 3 gazillion cp but no hair... Or something.