Would you like it if tempest Island hm was nerfed slightly?

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The final boss in tempest Island is a bioche, excuse my language. If you have the tiniest minutest of lag you can forget beating her nasty butt.

I'd like it to be slightly nerfed may take away the lil tornadoes idk anything. I just want my transmute crystals and not dread that damn dungeon. It is a nightmare with pugs cos you never know who youre gonna get....no offence but im seeing 200 cp players doing vet hm now and sometimes standing around not doing anything.

There are a lot of us that want to succeed and get our hm done . Im in a guild but oi cant always get a group of guildies wanting to do it at the same time.

AVaelham

A difficulty nerf? The biggest heresy to some on this forum!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I simply don't believe Vet HM should be balanced around pugs. In fact, I think pugs should struggle to clear a Vet HM, otherwise the content is a faceroll for any organized group. It is certainly one of the harder, if not hardest, of the non-DLC Vet HM dungeons, but a nerf it needs not. (COA2 is prob the hardest Non DLC, but we are splitting hairs as any decent group will stack and burn them all).

Araneae6537

I understand your frustration but vet HM is supposed to be most challenging so players have to know what is going on. Unforgiving mechanics are often a part of HMs. I have done Tempest vet HM with PUG groups and it didn’t seem unreasonable to me, although it has been a while. I don’t think HM has much bearing on transmute crystals or at least the most come from doing a random. It’s okay to not do HM if the group isn’t up for it.

Casul

It's just a dps check imo, longer then fight goes on the more tornadoes.

Vevvev

Vet HM... on a non-DLC dungeon. No, it's fine and I'd look into improving your build and bringing along at least one friend that has their stuff together.

VaranisArano

The "standing around doing nothing" is more the problem than the CP 200, just saying.

This is mostly my experience, but lag can turn a normally easy fight into a real problem for anyone. As a tank, I learned the hard way to block as soon as I see certain mechanics, or else I'll be yelling at a death recap from Selene's Bear or the Blessed Crucible lady "I blocked that!" because I blocked in time on my screen, but lag meant that the server hadn't registered it.


However, even though lag can be a problem, I'm not sure that older dungeons need to be nerfed to accommodate it unless it's making mechanics impossible for a lot of groups. I mean, like I said, I regularly have lag issues with Selene's Bear, but I don't think the one-shot heavy attack needs to be changed because sometimes lag prevents me from blocking in time.

Is this something causing problems for lots of groups doing Tempest?

jaws343

It's a fairly easy fight. Just stay right outside of the range of her AOE and she will never jump to anyone and the AOE will never hurt anyone. She will stay in one spot the whole fight and then you just burn her down.

Araneae6537

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I simply don't believe Vet HM should be balanced around pugs. In fact, I think pugs should struggle to clear a Vet HM, otherwise the content is a faceroll for any organized group. It is certainly one of the harder, if not hardest, of the non-DLC Vet HM dungeons, but a nerf it needs not. (COA2 is prob the hardest Non DLC, but we are splitting hairs).

I agree although about it not needing a nerf; most of the non-DLC HMs are quite doable with a PUG group as it is, although it might take a few tries. Regarding which is hardest, I would think that BC2 Vet HM is actually the hardest non-DLC, no? It was certainly the last of those achievements that I got!

perfiction

Most of the time pugs die in Tempest beause they either:
- don't roll out of the AOE
- they stand far away from the boss so she teleports to them and oneshots them

Tornadoes are not an issue, it's the people standing in stupid.

Camb0Sl1ce

BC2 hm? Pretty much light attack the boss until tank has enough daedroth then nuke the boss, personally don't find it difficult at all. Unless you're the tank and damage is really low and you end up with like 10 daedroth.

Araneae6537

Camb0Sl1ce wrote: »

BC2 hm? Pretty much light attack the boss until tank has enough daedroth then nuke the boss, personally don't find it difficult at all. Unless you're the tank and damage is really low and you end up with like 10 daedroth.

Well, maybe I’ve been with newer tanks or lower damage groups or both. I didn’t recall CoA2 vet HM to be particularly difficult but maybe that’s luck of the draw

colossalvoids

And I still would advise to go with a premade if you cannot stand random people. I personally was an awful addition to the team when just started the game, got vICP at 140-150cp as my first vet but they probably didn't cared and we did the run successfully when it was still very punishing experience. Nowadays I'm trying to be the same they were to me, just pushing through with anyone random finder gave in my team without much regret or judging.

I know it's frustrating when you start becoming the one who's understanding stuff around when the team is clueless newbies but improving further would give you enough ability to pretty much carry any team and have no negative thoughts coming.

The problem with nerfs is that you'll be over it one day, probably pretty soon actually so it would just trivialise some already not that hard content that helped people to improve previously, made them analyse stuff around and their builds.

Folkb

Meh, its not that bad.

Camb0Sl1ce

@Araneae6537 probably just luck, ive pugged vet DLC dungeons and had smoother runs than vet base game. Even having to check if I didn't accidentally queue for normal.

spartaxoxo

I am pretty pro-PUGs being able to do things, but there does need to be content for the most skilled and/or most dedicated players seeking a challenge. This is the point of the hard modes, it's supposed to be harder than regular vet and not for everyone to complete.

So, no. That hard mode should not be nerfed.

Caligamy_ESO

Literally the only dangerous mechanic in this fight is don't get too far away from her aoe circle.

That's it, the whooole enchilada.

The second someone tries to run further than a few meters past the range of her circle aoe, that's when she dashes and (usually) kills them. If that puts her at a distance further than her aoe circle from another group member because of the first persons blunder then she will continue her dash attacks.

You can literally stand right outside her aoe circle radius and just ping her to death with whatever peashooter you have equipped.

Sheezabeast

No, I would not like it.

KalyanLazair

I've three manned that boss multiple times and one time my friends wiped and I almost soloed her. No, I think she's fine as she is. For the record, I'm not any sort of pro. I'm a pretty normal player, I think.

Jaraal

Why? That was my very first vet hardmode no death solo run. She’s very easy to deal with if you stay close to her.

ZiggyTStardust

I remember really struggleing with her when I was pretty new, but if the entire group hugs her (except during the ground aoe) she isn't that scary.
If you don't do that though is can be very punishing. I recall a few a times the tank had solo the last few percentages when I was low cp

Magdalina

You can literally spend all of that fight in one place and get almost 0 damage whatsoever. All you need to do is stand like right outside her aoe, at that point she will neither jump you nor will the aoe reach you. This is it, that's all of the challenging mechs.

Tornadoes can be annoying but not quite enough to warrant being unable to do it. If you're actually wiping there, you're doing a lot more wrong that being hit with tornadoes. ...besides, how do you actually wipe? Die, yes, but if you have an actual tank, he can always res everyone, I've done it on more than one occasion. Worst case tank can taunt her to death XD May have also had to do that one.

I'm sure pugs can wipe there, especially if running a fake tank, but who's to say a veteran dungeon hardmode MUST be easily complete-able with every ignorant pug out there?

Artim_X

It's fine, no nerf needed.

zaria

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Literally the only dangerous mechanic in this fight is don't get too far away from her aoe circle.

That's it, the whooole enchilada.

The second someone tries to run further than a few meters past the range of her circle aoe, that's when she dashes and (usually) kills them. If that puts her at a distance further than her aoe circle from another group member because of the first persons blunder then she will continue her dash attacks.

You can literally stand right outside her aoe circle radius and just ping her to death with whatever peashooter you have equipped.

This, now vet Spindlecluch 1 and Banished cell 1 last boss one shot is too hard for the dungeons ranking.
I say HM BC2 is easier then BC1 on an low cp character in an decent group.

Amottica

After I learned what the simple mechanics were and what to do I found this fight very easy. I cannot see how this fight could be nerfed and still have any challenge.

The most important thing is to stay close to the boss except when the boss is about to cast it's AoE. It is telegraphed so it is easy to see. Move out quickly and then return to the boss afterward.

Just follow the mechanics.

spartaxoxo

zaria wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Literally the only dangerous mechanic in this fight is don't get too far away from her aoe circle.

That's it, the whooole enchilada.

The second someone tries to run further than a few meters past the range of her circle aoe, that's when she dashes and (usually) kills them. If that puts her at a distance further than her aoe circle from another group member because of the first persons blunder then she will continue her dash attacks.

You can literally stand right outside her aoe circle radius and just ping her to death with whatever peashooter you have equipped.

This, now vet Spindlecluch 1 and Banished cell 1 last boss one shot is too hard for the dungeons ranking.
I say HM BC2 is easier then BC1 on an low cp character in an decent group.

No. They are not. None of the vet base game dungeons are too hard. Not all of the games content can cater to casuals

Blood_again

Recent wrote: »

The final boss in tempest Island is a bioche, excuse my language. If you have the tiniest minutest of lag you can forget beating her nasty butt.

I'd like it to be slightly nerfed may take away the lil tornadoes idk anything. I just want my transmute crystals and not dread that damn dungeon. It is a nightmare with pugs cos you never know who youre gonna get....no offence but im seeing 200 cp players doing vet hm now and sometimes standing around not doing anything.

HM is not supposed to be done with whoever joined your group.
It requires knowledge of the battle and some experience with current boss. For first-timers that means some tries and wipes until people get the idea how to do things.

There are plenty of ways how to get transmutes. If you can't manage one HM it's time to try it more or skip. Really next time you'd ask to send you transmutes for entering the game.

As for difficulty of that current boss... Last time we did HM duo with random tank, because heal and other DD were dead all the time. Me worn training gear because of event. Do you really ask for nerfing the boss whose HM is doable duo with low damage?

zaria

spartaxoxo wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Literally the only dangerous mechanic in this fight is don't get too far away from her aoe circle.

That's it, the whooole enchilada.

The second someone tries to run further than a few meters past the range of her circle aoe, that's when she dashes and (usually) kills them. If that puts her at a distance further than her aoe circle from another group member because of the first persons blunder then she will continue her dash attacks.

You can literally stand right outside her aoe circle radius and just ping her to death with whatever peashooter you have equipped.

This, now vet Spindlecluch 1 and Banished cell 1 last boss one shot is too hard for the dungeons ranking.
I say HM BC2 is easier then BC1 on an low cp character in an decent group.

No. They are not. None of the vet base game dungeons are too hard. Not all of the games content can cater to casuals

The problem is that they are low ranking dungeons with an nasty last boss one shot. An 1 dungeon should be easier than the 2, who is not true for BC and Spindlecluch. No I don't find them hard but they are nasty in an low cp group.

spartaxoxo

zaria wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Literally the only dangerous mechanic in this fight is don't get too far away from her aoe circle.

That's it, the whooole enchilada.

The second someone tries to run further than a few meters past the range of her circle aoe, that's when she dashes and (usually) kills them. If that puts her at a distance further than her aoe circle from another group member because of the first persons blunder then she will continue her dash attacks.

You can literally stand right outside her aoe circle radius and just ping her to death with whatever peashooter you have equipped.

This, now vet Spindlecluch 1 and Banished cell 1 last boss one shot is too hard for the dungeons ranking.
I say HM BC2 is easier then BC1 on an low cp character in an decent group.

No. They are not. None of the vet base game dungeons are too hard. Not all of the games content can cater to casuals

The problem is that they are low ranking dungeons with an nasty last boss one shot. An 1 dungeon should be easier than the 2, who is not true for BC and Spindlecluch. No I don't find them hard but they are nasty in an low cp group.

It's hardmode. It's not supposed to be easy in a low cp group. Who cares if they are one instead of two? That's an outdated system anyway.

Kessra

Recent wrote: »

The final boss in tempest Island is a bioche, excuse my language. If you have the tiniest minutest of lag you can forget beating her nasty butt.
...
]There are a lot of us that want to succeed and get our hm done . Im in a guild but oi cant always get a group of guildies wanting to do it at the same time.

Unless your group has very good DPS you can always play the encounters like they were originally intended to. If you correctly play the mechanics than noone will die. Problem here is though that most of the people give a f*** about playing mechanics. All they care is rushing through to get those shiny crsystals.

The boss is fine on vet HM. I've done it plenty of times with pugs where right after her first explosion I was the only man standing. There is room to recover, the number of tornados is also limited so at no point is that encounter unbeatable or unfair. Challenging? Sure, to some degree. But not unfair or super hard. Just compare her to more recent DLC Vet HMs.

Players should be able to survive the explosion by blocking it, or even better, leave the area of her red circle. Right after the explosion went off, everyone should hug her and stand next to her. If one player keeps his distance, she will with high certainty do her charge/super-jump (however you want to call it) which kills players if not blocked. If I as a tank notice that to many tornados are nearby, I get a bit more proactive and run to a different location and force her to jump to me. The group then has a couple of seconds to hug her again. Rince and repeat till she has no HP left anymore.

Kessra

VaranisArano wrote: »

As a tank, I learned the hard way to block as soon as I see certain mechanics, or else I'll be yelling at a death recap from Selene's Bear ...

Her bear-attack used to kill you even when you were trying to block it. So the only way to "survive" that ability was to actually make a side step and let the bear hit the air only.

I wonder that people nowadays ask for a nerf on non-DLC vet HMs. They all used to be way harder back then and we had to play those encoutners rather clean to get through. Sometimes I miss the old difficulty of veteran overland zones where players usually were (almost) dead when they aggroed 2-3 mobs simultaneously. Nostalgia? Maybe ...