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godschild888

The games good so far, but if there's 1 thing I don't like is the constant rebuffing. I buff more than I play. The game would be much better if buffs lasted atleast 1 minute. Just my two cents.

exeeter702

You will understand why that is not the case the more you play.

Everything is beholden to the GCD, and throughput is directly tied to and balanced around how many GCDs you have to commit to rebuffing and how exactly that effects your resource pools. Bar space becomes very tight for final builds, and where /how you source certain key buffs heavily influences how your build is arranged.

omegatay_ESO

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

Lephrel

godschild888 wrote: »

The games good so far, but if there's 1 thing I don't like is the constant rebuffing. I buff more than I play. The game would be much better if buffs lasted atleast 1 minute. Just my two cents.

If you want to play this game at the highest level in pve or pvp, then you will have to invest a lot of time into perfecting your rotation and managing buff uptimes. However, there are many types of content that don't require a lot of buff management:

• Generally, overland content and questing is very easy. You will be free to play the game any way you like and you'll still be breezing past enemies.
• The whole justice system doesn't really require any buffs and stealing, murdering and pickpocketing can be tons of fun.
• These are niche activities, but some players make this their main focus. You can spend your time crafting, fishing, farming mats, trading etc. No combat and no buffs required.

If you enjoy pvp content, then stamblade and magsorc are a couple of classes that aren't particularly buff heavy. Hope this helps.

FriedEggSandwich

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

godschild888

Lephrel wrote: »

godschild888 wrote: »

The games good so far, but if there's 1 thing I don't like is the constant rebuffing. I buff more than I play. The game would be much better if buffs lasted atleast 1 minute. Just my two cents.

If you want to play this game at the highest level in pve or pvp, then you will have to invest a lot of time into perfecting your rotation and managing buff uptimes. However, there are many types of content that don't require a lot of buff management:

• Generally, overland content and questing is very easy. You will be free to play the game any way you like and you'll still be breezing past enemies.
• The whole justice system doesn't really require any buffs and stealing, murdering and pickpocketing can be tons of fun.
• These are niche activities, but some players make this their main focus. You can spend your time crafting, fishing, farming mats, trading etc. No combat and no buffs required.

If you enjoy pvp content, then stamblade and magsorc are a couple of classes that aren't particularly buff heavy. Hope this helps.

Thank you. So far I have a stamina warden at 33 and Sorc at 29 and im starting to lean more towards sorc at this point. Is sorc a good bg class on console?

Lephrel

@godschild888 Hi! Sorc, specifically magsorc, has always had a very good toolkit for BGs and openworld pvp - it's also one of the coolest classes in the game imo. Stamina warden is also excellent, however it will receive a heavy nerf to it's spammable heal skill next patch.

bluebird

Yeah, honestly ESO's combat system is the most basic and ill-thought-out of all MMOs out there. So much so that even their own devs weren't aware that the 'right' way to play would be animation canceling and weaving. That only became widespread and embraced by the devs later.

Buffs are one of those things that haven't been thought through, or just make for lazy gameplay. If players get a button that gives them more numbers after pressing it... why wouldn't they press it? And if it has a certain duration but no cooldown... why wouldn't they keep it up all the time? Same with DoTs. The right way to play just becomes pre-Buff, DoT up, spam stuff depending on resources (and weave though it all ofc), then reapply the Buffs and DoTs and repeat. Especially with the open build system of ESO, why wouldn't players fill up their bars with assorted Buffs and DoTs when they can only ever spam 1 direct ability but can have many slots of free damage uptime?

WoW's no-cooldown buffs that you just activate without any CD for bigger numbers have a long duration. And the buffs with a short duration have a cooldown, so activating them in combat at the right time is meaningful. In GW2, you get some buffs from attack skills, and dedicated buff buttons have a CD and can often be activated off the GCD while casting other abilities. Meanwhile ESO has just put this on your bar and get passive bonus damage, no need to even press it 'skills' and even buff that has a cast time. Lol.

godschild888

Lephrel wrote: »

@godschild888 Hi! Sorc, specifically magsorc, has always had a very good toolkit for BGs and openworld pvp - it's also one of the coolest classes in the game imo. Stamina warden is also excellent, however it will receive a heavy nerf to it's spammable heal skill next patch.

Thank you. I think the next class I'll try is nightblade seeing as how my main focus will be pvp. How would you recommend Night blade vs sorc for mainly bg/solo play?

Lephrel

Stamina nightblade is mostly played on a mobile, high damage and relatively squishy build (using 2h and bow, lots of cloaking and dodgerolling). Some people hate the playstyle, some people love it - personally I think it's awesome. Regardless, stamina nightblade has always been a very good class in pvp and it is also quite beginner friendly.

Magicka nightblade is relatively buff-heavy and it is one of the most difficult classes to play successfully in pvp. That being said, it's also really fun imo.

Edit: I really can't tell you which you should pick between magsorc and stamblade. Completely different playstyles, I suggest you give both of them a try and stick with what you like. No matter which class you pick, they are both deadly and have a lot of potential.

exeeter702

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

Then you werent a pc gamer during the era where mmo gaming mice werent a thing.

Frankly they are entirely unecessary and it's purely a matter of how you learned mmos back in the day.

Other mmos require far more buttons and players do it without issue on standard mice.

I have personally used 26 hotkeys on my keyboard alone for over 14 years. Without any type of discomfort or struggle. I would never buy a 10+ button mouse.

AlnilamE

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

I use a trackball, so my thumb is actually working on directing the camera.

kargen27

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

I'm lucky that I am left handed. I can use the number pad for almost everything. Left mouse button is attack, right mouse button is bar switch, middle button is block/interrupt and everything else is done on the keyboard. My hand doesn't need to move at all to hit everything I need.

newtinmpls

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play

^^^quoted for truth.

I love my Naga....

jircris11

exeeter702 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

Then you werent a pc gamer during the era where mmo gaming mice werent a thing.

Frankly they are entirely unecessary and it's purely a matter of how you learned mmos back in the day.

Other mmos require far more buttons and players do it without issue on standard mice.

I have personally used 26 hotkeys on my keyboard alone for over 14 years. Without any type of discomfort or struggle. I would never buy a 10+ button mouse.

I grew up playing up, eq ect. I still got a Naga, mainly due to my age and slower reflexes. Playing old mmos means little, we delt with the lack of a 12 key mouse cause we had to. Don't tell me for a moment younger you would not buy one if it was out back then.

Soraka

I've done both and I'm glad I made myself learn the mouse buttons.

exeeter702

jircris11 wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

If you're on PC have you considered getting an MMO mouse? I use the Razer Naga with 12 buttons on the side under my thumb. It changed the way I play, and I firmly believe that on pc players are split between those who use an mmo mouse and those who don't. I honestly don't know how people play having to stretch their fingers up to the number keys on a keyboard while also trying to WASD. Weaving and bar-swapping is a piece of cake with an mmo mouse.

Then you werent a pc gamer during the era where mmo gaming mice werent a thing.

Frankly they are entirely unecessary and it's purely a matter of how you learned mmos back in the day.

Other mmos require far more buttons and players do it without issue on standard mice.

I have personally used 26 hotkeys on my keyboard alone for over 14 years. Without any type of discomfort or struggle. I would never buy a 10+ button mouse.

I grew up playing up, eq ect. I still got a Naga, mainly due to my age and slower reflexes. Playing old mmos means little, we delt with the lack of a 12 key mouse cause we had to. Don't tell me for a moment younger you would not buy one if it was out back then.

I absolutely wouldnt. I come from fighting games and have that kind of dexterity baked into my dna for the meat 20 years of using arcade sticks.

My point is that there is no objective advantage to using a gaming mouse over keyboard binds and it is entirely down to user preference.

The age suggestion was merely being used to clarify that saying 10 button mice is the superior controller option really only comes from people who dont have the experience with the former and likely lack perspective.

Eq is a terrible example because of the games speed you can almost literally do everything with clicking. It wasnt until wow where the GCD and style of combat created a feast or famine situation with those who could manage the hot keys needed and those that couldnt.

I mean you have some of the strongest SC1 players in the world that still would never use mouse binds over key binds.

Eso is child's play in terms of actual hot keys needed.

I have been using this arrangement for 18 years

12345RTFGZXCVQE
shift+(all the above)

And this feels as fluid as playing an instrument. Depending on hand size and whatnot, a gaming mouse with side buttons can be more cumbersome if your thumb isnt the size of a childs

ThorianB

godschild888 wrote: »

The games good so far, but if there's 1 thing I don't like is the constant rebuffing. I buff more than I play. The game would be much better if buffs lasted atleast 1 minute. Just my two cents.

Yep ESO has a lot of tedious nonsense built into its combat. It doesn't add QoL through complexity it just adds unnecessary complexity that makes combat an exhausting button mashing minigame. I much prefer strategic combat than hitting buttons in the right order at the right time like an assembly line worker.

omegatay_ESO wrote: »

I am such a bad player. Been playing for years, and most the time I only use one bar. Mostly because I really hate what seems like lots of button mashing.

My back bar on most builds is purely utility and i don't need to flip to it most of the time. I found not timing bar swap right, it will often not swap. You have to give it X amount of time before you swap or ignores the command and moves to the next one. Really annoying.

Button mashing is excessive in ESO if you want to " play correctly". Likely why a lot of people just spam abilities rather than do rotations.

omegatay_ESO

I use a trackball, so my thumb is actually working on directing the camera.

It's what I use as well. Never be able to play games on a pc with a normal mouse.