Of all the Cyro changes for "balance" you do nothing about the absurd suicide bombers. Unreal.

Selminus

For months ( years? ) now people have been running, invis, into packs of players and 1 shotting all of them with a build that has become so well known that it is mainstream. You claim to care about balance yet day in and day out we deal with this total nonsense. I watched a guy kill around 25 players on a scroll run and after capping keeps etc. they stream in one after another onto the flags. There is nothing fair, balanced or challenging about what they do yet they bathe in AP and Zenimax turns a blind eye. Are we in Tamriel or the war torn middle east? It's borderline offensive and totally imbalanced in general. If you say you want balance, act like it and stop ignoring such obvious mechanic abuse. Spamming a 6 second 4k mana magelight is a nightmare as is playing a flare guessing game so don't even go there. Thx.

Athrys5

Seems like an overreaction to me, running among zergs or ball groups got to have its cons. Also these builds are completely dedicated to that type of gameplay, you can't do anything else.

Azurya

Selminus wrote: »

For months ( years? ) now people have been running, invis, into packs of players and 1 shotting all of them with a build that has become so well known that it is mainstream. You claim to care about balance yet day in and day out we deal with this total nonsense. I watched a guy kill around 25 players on a scroll run and after capping keeps etc. they stream in one after another onto the flags. There is nothing fair, balanced or challenging about what they do yet they bathe in AP and Zenimax turns a blind eye. Are we in Tamriel or the war torn middle east? It's borderline offensive and totally imbalanced in general. If you say you want balance, act like it and stop ignoring such obvious mechanic abuse. Spamming a 6 second 4k mana magelight is a nightmare as is playing a flare guessing game so don't even go there. Thx.

who cares??, It is all about fun, relax my friend, just lay back and have fun, running a bomber (I do, yes) is all about timing and a load of luck, a huge load of luck, if you get killed before even coming close, all was for nothing, oh and the one who killed the scroll group was me, at least I did it a few times, detection pots etc do wonders in your advance, so just use it.
See you near any flag or scroll soon!!! Take care )

oXI_Viper_IXo

Bombers are needed to prevent zerg stacking and as an anti-ball group mechanic.

Spread out, it's not that hard.

Goregrinder

Bombing requires you to invest everything about your build into maximizing proxi det. You literally can't do anything else on a bomb build. And you are a glass canon so if you make a mistake, you're going to die.

VaranisArano

I'm uncertain as to what's unbalanced about bombers. They have to run glass cannon builds to be effective, and are fairly predictable in their targets. If there are masses of players standing around a flag or repairing a door, it's a pretty good idea to prepare for a bomb. And if you spot them coming in, they die pretty quick.


Don't be squishy. Hold block when you are on a flag, and be ready to react if you see one coming in. That's without using Detect Pots.

(I mostly play in an organized raid, taking flags and repair walls. I'm usually the target of bombers.)

Mitrenga

They are just fine. I lol a lot watching ppl going bats** crazy over bomber kills during Pelinal events.

techyeshic

I see ball groups run it, and its a pain; but if you have been in Cyrodiil the past couple months without it, you definitely see a lot heavier faction stacking going on. It quite literally is PvDoor or have the entire faction show up at times. I'd rather deal with the random resource or door repair bombing where its just an "aw darn it!" but then you get rezzed by the people who survive, rather than have these huge masses running around unchecked.

Evo95

You can't literally doing nothing than bombing with a bomb build, if you make a mistake you will die.

SidraWillowsky

I laugh really hard when I die to a bomber. It's hilarious, even when done to me. Well-played, bomber, well-played.

Also- if you die to one, that's on you.

Azurya

Mitrenga wrote: »

They are just fine. I lol a lot watching ppl going bats** crazy over bomber kills during Pelinal events.

yeah that is the best time of the year^^

Wolfpaw

For a good laugh drop a few Frozen Devices.

Aiphaton

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Fennwitty

I'm not a heavy PvPer but the only place I have trouble 'predicting' where a bomber will come from is on resource capture where the group is basically in an open field.

First everyone doesn't have to actually stack as close as they tend to to capture a resource. So start by standing apart as much as you can while still contributing.

For fort capture, when I'm running support I'm the guy who throws in Flares. Throw into the room, throw a few into corners (most stealthed characters really cannot move quickly). After you secure the room, then focus on flaring the entrance if the door's still busted.

Most attacker characters can 'guard' against bombers while they're effectively doing nothing by spamming AOE stuns/immobilize, and even intermittently using Mage Light/Hunter or detect potions. Just screw up the bomber's approach for a second or two and the milling about folks often detect them 'accidentally' as they come and go.

Mayrael

Hold block, don't stack.

FantasticFreddie

Um I actually LIKE bombers.

I tried to make one. Turns out being a successful bomber requires some skills I do not have, most notably patience. I was bad at it. I didn't enjoy it.
I did, however, gain a lot of respect for the playstyle in general. It takes dedication to pull off.

And I like the risk factor of just... having them around. One minute you are peacefully repairing a door, next, BOOM everyone dead!! You have to stay alert, pay attention, and be proactive.

AlnilamE

Mayrael wrote: »

Hold block, don't stack.

And use detect pots and drop some AoE around.

AuraNebula

Bombing is essential to Cyrodiil. They add a nice element of surprise, they can turn the tide of a battle in a keep if they get a bomb off at the right time. They can even the playing field when you are severely outnumbered.

I missed seeing them and I am happy they are going to make a comeback.

Zekka

Selminus wrote: »

There is nothing fair, balanced or challenging about what they do yet they bathe in AP and Zenimax turns a blind eye.

Play one and you will quickly realize that it's not that easy. For every successful bomb, bombers spend easily 2 hours just to find the right targets and still fail a lot of the time.
Bombers are not an issue, especially with the sea of real balance and technical issues this game has.

Bigmatt2

Zekka wrote: »

Selminus wrote: »

There is nothing fair, balanced or challenging about what they do yet they bathe in AP and Zenimax turns a blind eye.

Play one and you will quickly realize that it's not that easy. For every successful bomb, bombers spend easily 2 hours just to find the right targets and still fail a lot of the time.
Bombers are not an issue, especially with the sea of real balance and technical issues this game has.

I have a bomber build who is basically a master crafter at this point. I really struggled with it. Got lucky a couple times. This quote is right. You have to first go somewhere and build ulti, then spend the remaining time just sitting and waiting. It can get overly boring fast.

cheemers

OP, like every other person whose responded to this thread, I disagree. Bombers are a necessary check in cyrodiil to hold pure numerical zergs from running rampant. You just have to look at current cyro with no vicious death to see how zergy it gets without the requisite checks and balances.

In short - hold block, don't stack, don't cry, and gg.

rbfrgsp

Bombing is an art. It is a real achievement of theory-crafting and it does require timing, judgement, skill and a little luck. More of the game should require the fine-tuning and dedicated specialisation that PvP bombing requires.

Kwoung

Selminus wrote: »

For months ( years? ) now people have been running, invis, into packs of players and 1 shotting all of them with a build that has become so well known that it is mainstream. You claim to care about balance yet day in and day out we deal with this total nonsense. I watched a guy kill around 25 players on a scroll run and after capping keeps etc. they stream in one after another onto the flags. There is nothing fair, balanced or challenging about what they do yet they bathe in AP and Zenimax turns a blind eye. Are we in Tamriel or the war torn middle east? It's borderline offensive and totally imbalanced in general. If you say you want balance, act like it and stop ignoring such obvious mechanic abuse. Spamming a 6 second 4k mana magelight is a nightmare as is playing a flare guessing game so don't even go there. Thx.

Personally I run see invis pots that last for 38 seconds, very easy to spot bombers and any other stealther for that matter. I actually miss them in Cryodiil right now, they were great for getting all you zerglings on a camp timer.

Greasytengu

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

I laugh really hard when I die to a bomber. It's hilarious, even when done to me. Well-played, bomber, well-played.

Also- if you die to one, that's on you.

We need to get an emote that is our player holding up a set of handheld score boards like you see at the Olympics (I actually don't know if these have a specific name).

A perfectly executed bomb deserves a 10.

kringled_1

Goregrinder wrote: »

Bombing requires you to invest everything about your build into maximizing proxi det. You literally can't do anything else on a bomb build. And you are a glass canon so if you make a mistake, you're going to die.

From what I've been told, if solo bombing, even if the bomb is very successful the bomber often dies anyways.

blkjag

Make a bomber

laksikus

kringled_1 wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Bombing requires you to invest everything about your build into maximizing proxi det. You literally can't do anything else on a bomb build. And you are a glass canon so if you make a mistake, you're going to die.

From what I've been told, if solo bombing, even if the bomb is very successful the bomber often dies anyways.

If you want to, you can get away pretty easy, if you use shade or only sap 1-2 times after your tether.
Often times surviving just isnt usefull. For example if you bomb enemies while repairing a wall or on a ressource, there likely wont be a chance for a second bomb, so you can just die.
On the otherhand bombing while defending a keep is not that hard to stay alive if you dont overstay inside a zerg

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Bombers are glass canons.
But since flames of ambition its alot easier to to also fight 1v1. I could have 27k hp on a max attack build in NoCP, and even on a full light divine armor thats good enough to survive burst combos.

If you die to a bombblade you have to look at yourself and not blame the bomber

DocFrost72

[snip]

I love the compilations bombers compile, and I rarely die to one because I stay a bit away and block. VD explodes in a 4 (soon 5) meter radius, just don't be within bash distance of someone and watch the fireworks!

[Edited to remove Baiting]

AuraStorm43

Don’t stack around people with low crit resist and you won’t get bombed lol

Sadly due to the way people server zerg in cyrodil VD’s necessary way to break large groups

beadabow

The good bombers are artists- their medium is blood, bone and gore as opposed to paint. Having looked at some screenshots of the successful bombing runs, I can see some budding Jackson Pollocks out there in Cyrodil. One simply needs an eye for beauty. Please don't advocate censoring their work. It brings culture to Cyrodil.

kargen27

A guild I was in was trying to Emp and we had one group North and one South. The group I was with was loitering around a flag while the leaders in Discord were discussing where each group would go next. Someone was right in the middle of saying spread out a little and shield when the bomber hit us.

Was really funny because he got all of us then slow walked away.