Two weeks in the life of a real tank!

Sarannah

Two weeks in the life of a real tank:

-Left two groups because DPS was extremely low!
-Got insulted by healers twice, so I left those groups.
-Was told a nightblade could not be a tank.
-Have seen many DPS pull groups, slowing the dungeon down.
-Had two groups where trying to teach mechanics did not work, so I left those groups.
-Found out it is usually the groups that want to go fast, that shouldn't.
-Saw many players not interrupt.
-Sees DPS is often afraid to trust their tank.
-Completed every possible dungeon available.
-Completed practically every random dungeon I was placed in.
-Got praised for being a great tank a few times.
-Never did any pledge dungeons, just randoms.
-Completed 5 pledges which I randomly got as random.
-Was asked quite a few times to do the other pledges.
-Got a few friend invites, which I accepted.
-My slowest dungeon took a little over two hours.
-My fastest dungeon lasted less than 30 seconds. (my all-time record is 5 seconds)
-Was mostly placed in DLC dungeons.
-Hardly ever was placed in an already started run.
-Never looked at the player's their CP amount.
-Completed quite a few dungeon quests.
-Found out I still needed the Fungal Grotto 2 quest on one character.
-Forgot to turn in two dungeon quests after successfully completing the dungeons.
-Found out those complaining about a group and then leaving, are usually the issue.
-Never got kicked(yet).
-Pointed out many chests and heavy sacks.
-Got pointed out on quite a few chests and heavy sacks which I missed.
-Got into a tricky situation in Selene's web, where I got stuck in combat and could not enter the door.
-After a dungeon I always gave players the drop if they still needed it, and I didn't.
-Missed a mechanic here or there, sorry!
-Revived many players. (Suspect soulgem prices will be going up.)
-Did the secret boss in Black Drake Villa twice.
-Completed almost every dungeon on HM.

-Enjoyed every minute of it!!

PS: This is only about these two weeks during the anniversary event.
PPS: This is based on tanking 7 random veteran dungeons per day.

zvavi

Who told you NB can't tank? Bring them out! To be fair tanking can be really really fun, but currently I am in tank fatigue

Veles

True tanking support - best role in this game!

Fischblut

I stopped tanking long time ago, but at the start of this event, I did some random normals as tank. It was ok, nothing special. Except for one time

Right after the start of the dungeon, one of dds said in group chat that he needs Tzogvin's ring. No "hello", no "please". Okay. But then the dd run ahead of the group fast, aggroed all mobs, died and then asked in group chat: "Do we have a tank?"

Unfortunately for him, I was a tank - and I was angered by his behavior and his question about a tank. I didn't say anything, and we just continued the dungeon. I believe in karma

After last boss died, I got exactly Tzogvin's ring as my loot I didn't link it at all, but of course the same dd whispered to me if he can have Tzogvin's ring from my loot. That was to be expected, so it's okay. I needed that ring for my collection book, but if that dd was good person and behaved well, I most likely would give that ring to him... If only he behaved better and didn't question the tank

He was raging in whispers afterwards, so I had to eventually add him to ignore. Basically, the only thing I said to him is "I need it too" when he first whispered to me, and the only thing I did was decline his trade request - all the rest was done by karma. I wonder if he ever understood what he did wrong

Mayrael

Overall awesome post but you got with this:

"-Found out it is usually the groups that want to go fast, that shouldn't."

Made my day

ApoAlaia

Is this in EU or NA? I play on EU.

I don't really know every DLC dungeon by heart, my knowledge has... gaps, specially pertaining the latest four made available.

Queuing for random I landed in Stone Garden and I was in a group with a tank that actually took a deep breath and spent a minute (total, it was just a brief 'heads up' before a couple of boss fights) going through the relevant mechanics that potentially saved us a significant amount of time and frustration.

It was quite nice to be fair.

I mean it was nice that we had a tank at all, but extra nice that this person had a constructive attitude.

HalfRain216

I have ran a DK tank as my main since I started playing eso. When I do dungeons as a dd you can notice the difference between having a good tank or not. I find the biggest thing that annoys me is not grouping the monsters and also not throwing out constant damage shields. A tank should hold aggro but also be giving buffs to the group that’s why I think most people prefer DKs as you have igneous shield as a skill not sure what nightblades have to offer as a tank as I only have a low level dd but it may be that your just missing the support side of tanking and just holding aggro.

josiahva

I only logged on this week once...yesterday, ran I think 5 random vet dungeons:

Dungeon #1...vet Darkshade 1. No real problems here, just minor aggravations like the DPS always trying to race me to grab mob aggro first...which was ok, was on off tank setup and my AOEs generally hit first and kept mob aggro on me and did enough damage to keep in there with minimal amount of taunting. The DPS did decide to lead the last boss through every healing field he could find when boss randomly aggroed on him.

Dungeon #2 vet Bloodroot Forge. Just the usual stuff here, namely dying to the cows because other pug members don't interrupt the cow when he cages people. For the guy that wakes the stone atros, one of the DPS decided to focus the boss the entire fight....I died because I stopped mid fight and typed out that he needs to focus adds until burn phase(boss chose that moment to do his flame aoe thing). Attempted HM on last boss...DPS wasn't high enough, so arena of course became cluttered with pools until we ran out room and wiped. No problems non-HM, ran a real tank setup most of the dungeon.

Dungeon #3 vet Frostvault. This one I came in on the witch/atro fight, other tank had left for whatever reason. I always equip Kagrenac's Hope for this fight when I tank it in a pug. The fight started out pretty well, DPS was pretty low, but they seemed to have a solid grasp on mechs...but someone must have missed an interrupt because I look up and they are all dead....so I wait till I am done dancing with the ice atro, then run over and rez one of them(this is why Kag's is the best set for this fight in a pug), he manages to get another up, then boss bugs out and channel animation doesn't happen(even though attack does) so I miss that interrupt...they die again, so rinse and repeat, I rez one of them again...no further problems in that fight, although ever since first rez when I taunted boss the boss sticks to me the rest of the fight...which makes things trickier. Last boss...no HM attempted...but as with a lot of pugs they decide to kill both arms at the same time, so I have 2 centurians to deal with in addition to boss....and then everyone but be manages to die anyway. This fight there is no point in wearing kags, unless you are a necro tank rezzing here is impossible as last man standing...its a wipe. I then stop and explain to them they need to kill arm-centurian-arm-centurian-boss. We then proceed to finish the fight with no more problems with a total group DPS at the end of 20k

Dungeon #4 vet Darkshade 1...again. I really hate this dungeon, its not a pledge but people always seem to be farming it for whatever reason. Back to my off-tank setup. I manage to do 30-45% of group DPS the entire run...never a good sign...but that is why I run mild damage sets for pug runs until/unless I am doing less than 20% group DPS or in a dungeon that I can't get away with it. No real problems....when last boss aggros on a random person, I go around killing ads that everyone else ignores(might as well since most of my DPS is ground based in off-tank setup)

Dungeon #5 vet Scalecaller Peak. I love pugging this dungeon because I can stay in off-tank gear for every fight except for gargoyle and giantess....one of the harder DLC dungeons that I tank last boss just fine without pure tank gear. No real problems here, everyone seems to know their job and DPS is borderline, meaning I go back and forth between off-tank and pure tank gear, not really able to make up my mind which setup helps the group more. I do tank last boss in off-DPS gear though since it really does help as a tank to be able to kill one of the ice-giants on my own if one of the DPS manages to go down at a bad time

Not a single one happened to be a pledge...but that is ok. I no longer bother chasing pledges for transmutes, nor do I really bother farming xp for CP, I just enjoy pugging random dungeons regardless of whether or not its an event. I rarely log on these days(once or twice a week maybe?) because I am unhappy with the "screw the tanks" feeling this last patch has left me with...they nerfed my damage(which isn't anything to write home about anyway), the nerfed my speed, they nerfed my damage mitigation...I have of course found a way to play around these nerfs, but its the whole attitude behind them that has left me feeling little reason to tank anymore. I mean, if ZOS doesn't want tanks, I guess that is fine, but it leaves me little reason to play.

Odovacar

We love you tanks! From someone who does not tank much I always tip my hat to y'all. Reading your lists was too great and so freaking true. GG OP!

Sarannah

Just for clarification, I'm on PC EU, and have multiple classes for tanks. Two dragonknights, two nightblades(my favorites), one warden, one necromancer, and one sorcerer. I don't use buffs to try and safe groupmembers, I just debuff/buff the group their DPS. A while ago I did run a tank that had groupbuffs for survivability, but I found players die in 1-hit anyways. So that felt like a waste of time.

Did get a few stone garden's around two weeks ago, where I did a quick summary of what to avoid/do before every boss. Atleast where it is needed.

There are some dungeons/bosses for which I always forget the mechanics. Sometimes because I don't remember the bosses, or because I haven't had the certain dungeon in a while.

The reason I made this post is because of all the negativity around pugging/tanking, while overall it is still a good experience. Though bad stuff/runs do happen. Just re-queue!

Septimus_Magna

I usually have better experiences tanking vet dungeons than normal dungeons where you basically dont even need a tank 90% of the time. Yesterday was doing vBDV, the first run I had a group that was literally only heavy attacking. The dps was so bad that it took 5 minutes minutes to kill the first two trash packs so I ended up leaving. The second run was a lot better, the group wanted to do the secret bosses and we did it without issues.

Sarannah

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

I usually have better experiences tanking vet dungeons than normal dungeons where you basically dont even need a tank 90% of the time. Yesterday was doing vBDV, the first run I had a group that was literally only heavy attacking. The dps was so bad that it took 5 minutes minutes to kill the first two trash packs so I ended up leaving. The second run was a lot better, the group wanted to do the secret bosses and we did it without issues.

Yeah, pugging can go massively right, but also massively wrong.

And personally I just skip normal dungeons on tanks, as it makes no difference if you tank normals or veterans.

Grandchamp1989

Sarannah wrote: »

Two weeks in the life of a real tank:
-Have seen many DPS pull groups, slowing the dungeon down.
-Found out it is usually the groups that want to go fast, that shouldn't.

lolol pretty much true.

Athan1

You participated in so many groups in just two weeks?

Sarannah

Athan1 wrote: »

You participated in so many groups in just two weeks?

Yups, and so far with a good outcome. Did 7 random veterans again today.

Today was a terrible day, almost everything seemed to go wrong(beyond my control). Did eventually manage to complete 7 random veterans though.

Everest_Lionheart

Any of you tanks on XB1-NA? You may see me tonight. I got a fresh Magblade to CP that needs to level undaunted! I promise not to suck too bad! 🤣

Forgot to mention, no Maw on this toon either, I know you tanks have a love/hate relationship with that set on DPS!

Sergykid

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

BejaProphet

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

geonsocal

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank?

a positive and enjoyable attitude

just kidding sergy...although, I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

DPS is so key for a smooth dungeon run...staying positive though during a run, even a bad pug run (which if you done more than a few pug runs you completely understand) is probably the most important...it's tough at times cuz some folks don't use a mic or engage in chat...

I only go in to dungeons to farm gear, to be honest, I'm not sure I even remember much of this elder scrolls game's storylines, i pretty much spend all my time in cyro - but, when I am gear grinding, I'm tanking and trying to have fun with some strangers...

best thing about tanking - when everyone else dies and you need to go start rezzing people, pop a pot and go to it...

oh yeah, alcohol and drugs help too...

Sarannah

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

There are many ways to tank, I did not call any specific way 'fake'. I only called my way "real". If you really do/intend to do the tanking job, you are a real tank in my opinion. Personally I prefer to be a 'selfish' tank. This allows the healer to mostly become a DPS as well, if they can.

geonsocal wrote: »

best thing about tanking - when everyone else dies and you need to go start rezzing people, pop a pot and go to it...

This is exactly why I want rezzing to not cost soulgems!
Few days ago I had my group die on the last boss of bloodroot forge, when the boss had only 300k hp left. They were all deep in the lava, so no way to revive any of them. Had to solo those last hp's, with 2k DPS. Felt epic!

Sergykid

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Sarannah

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

BejaProphet

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Nah man, if you really can do all you say, then throwing 30k damage on top of it doesn’t disqualify you.

However, and I don’t want to upset you, it sounds like a little more than one build could do, so I’ll admit that I’m skeptical.

It leaves me with questions like...

What content are you talking about? Normal dungeons or do you take this into vet dlc?

When you say you do 30k dps, do you mean single target damage? Or stacks of mobs? Do you mean you do 30k in the actual dungeon or on a super buffed trial dummy?

If you are saying you can survive on your own in a vet dlc, while taunting stacking holding fight still and shelling out 30k dps on single targets...well, I’m not sure I believe it and if you can I’m darn impressed and would love to know how.

Sergykid

Sarannah wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

no vent, no kicks, it's just the n-th thread i see about tanks in dungeons in the past week. It's getting out of hand.
you don't need any guide, just build your dps but instead of your main resource get hp to 30k, and replace a dot or something with a taunt, and another ability with a survival one like a self heal. Know when to dodge and what to block and u can solo everything.

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Nah man, if you really can do all you say, then throwing 30k damage on top of it doesn’t disqualify you.

However, and I don’t want to upset you, it sounds like a little more than one build could do, so I’ll admit that I’m skeptical.

It leaves me with questions like...

What content are you talking about? Normal dungeons or do you take this into vet dlc?

When you say you do 30k dps, do you mean single target damage? Or stacks of mobs? Do you mean you do 30k in the actual dungeon or on a super buffed trial dummy?

If you are saying you can survive on your own in a vet dlc, while taunting stacking holding fight still and shelling out 30k dps on single targets...well, I’m not sure I believe it and if you can I’m darn impressed and would love to know how.

veteran non-dlc dungeons. 30k single target, drops to 25k sometimes with fake healer.
in dlc vets i do 20k dps because i have to replace 1-2 more spells with defensive ones.

BejaProphet

Sergykid wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

no vent, no kicks, it's just the n-th thread i see about tanks in dungeons in the past week. It's getting out of hand.
you don't need any guide, just build your dps but instead of your main resource get hp to 30k, and replace a dot or something with a taunt, and another ability with a survival one like a self heal. Know when to dodge and what to block and u can solo everything.

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Nah man, if you really can do all you say, then throwing 30k damage on top of it doesn’t disqualify you.

However, and I don’t want to upset you, it sounds like a little more than one build could do, so I’ll admit that I’m skeptical.

It leaves me with questions like...

What content are you talking about? Normal dungeons or do you take this into vet dlc?

When you say you do 30k dps, do you mean single target damage? Or stacks of mobs? Do you mean you do 30k in the actual dungeon or on a super buffed trial dummy?

If you are saying you can survive on your own in a vet dlc, while taunting stacking holding fight still and shelling out 30k dps on single targets...well, I’m not sure I believe it and if you can I’m darn impressed and would love to know how.

veteran non-dlc dungeons. 30k single target, drops to 25k sometimes with fake healer.
in dlc vets i do 20k dps because i have to replace 1-2 more spells with defensive ones.

And how do you stack with just that?

Sergykid

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

no vent, no kicks, it's just the n-th thread i see about tanks in dungeons in the past week. It's getting out of hand.
you don't need any guide, just build your dps but instead of your main resource get hp to 30k, and replace a dot or something with a taunt, and another ability with a survival one like a self heal. Know when to dodge and what to block and u can solo everything.

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Nah man, if you really can do all you say, then throwing 30k damage on top of it doesn’t disqualify you.

However, and I don’t want to upset you, it sounds like a little more than one build could do, so I’ll admit that I’m skeptical.

It leaves me with questions like...

What content are you talking about? Normal dungeons or do you take this into vet dlc?

When you say you do 30k dps, do you mean single target damage? Or stacks of mobs? Do you mean you do 30k in the actual dungeon or on a super buffed trial dummy?

If you are saying you can survive on your own in a vet dlc, while taunting stacking holding fight still and shelling out 30k dps on single targets...well, I’m not sure I believe it and if you can I’m darn impressed and would love to know how.

veteran non-dlc dungeons. 30k single target, drops to 25k sometimes with fake healer.
in dlc vets i do 20k dps because i have to replace 1-2 more spells with defensive ones.

And how do you stack with just that?

you bring melee ads to ranged ads, you stack ranged ads by hiding behind a corner and all rangeds come. Usually this is not even needed because mobs die before they can stack. You can also slot a chain but i don't find a use for it most of the dungeon

BejaProphet

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

no vent, no kicks, it's just the n-th thread i see about tanks in dungeons in the past week. It's getting out of hand.
you don't need any guide, just build your dps but instead of your main resource get hp to 30k, and replace a dot or something with a taunt, and another ability with a survival one like a self heal. Know when to dodge and what to block and u can solo everything.

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Nah man, if you really can do all you say, then throwing 30k damage on top of it doesn’t disqualify you.

However, and I don’t want to upset you, it sounds like a little more than one build could do, so I’ll admit that I’m skeptical.

It leaves me with questions like...

What content are you talking about? Normal dungeons or do you take this into vet dlc?

When you say you do 30k dps, do you mean single target damage? Or stacks of mobs? Do you mean you do 30k in the actual dungeon or on a super buffed trial dummy?

If you are saying you can survive on your own in a vet dlc, while taunting stacking holding fight still and shelling out 30k dps on single targets...well, I’m not sure I believe it and if you can I’m darn impressed and would love to know how.

veteran non-dlc dungeons. 30k single target, drops to 25k sometimes with fake healer.
in dlc vets i do 20k dps because i have to replace 1-2 more spells with defensive ones.

And how do you stack with just that?

you bring melee ads to ranged ads, you stack ranged ads by hiding behind a corner and all rangeds come. Usually this is not even needed because mobs die before they can stack. You can also slot a chain but i don't find a use for it most of the dungeon

Well, for what it is worth, I don’t think you should be offended. I follow tanking threads on these forums pretty closely and I think people would overwhelmingly agree that a player who is attempting to do what you describe is a real tank.

I’ve never heard of somebody being called a fake tank just because their health is 30k. When people say fake tank, what they usually mean is a player who has no intention of attempting all the things you describe.

Now I will be honest, I am still very skeptical that your strategy is helping your groups as much as you think. But my skepticism is irrelevant, you are trying to actually do the job and so you are a tank.

TLDR: Don’t be offended, when we talk about “fake tanks” we don’t mean what you are doing.

Merforum

Sarannah wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Sergykid wrote: »

can this "real tank" nonsense be stopped already? what is the difference between you and my hybrid dps tank? i survive alone, i taunt, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies, but i also do 30k dps. However i am not a "real" tank. What's the difference? if i don't have 40k hp and Yolna it means i am not a real tank.
instead of doing dungeons like you, i carry others through them myself without hindering my time because of them.

Are you just reacting to the title? I’m searching in vain for what could have upset you?

Why do you think i got upset? xD
i am reacting in general to this whole idea of fake tanks in dungeons, where a tank is only fake if he doesn't survive without healer, doesn't stack mobs or keep boss in place, doesn't even taunt as i saw sometimes. Tanks should not be judged as real or fake based on their health pool and weapons and sets equipped. I do everything a "real" tank does but i am seen as fake because i don't have 40k hp and 1hS equipped

geonsocal wrote: »

I see you didn't mention the whole: aggro, de-buff, buff stuff too...

Sergykid wrote: »

, i stack mobs and hold boss in place, i debuff enemies,

Seems strange you got upset at all, as noone mentioned what type of tank is real or fake. This seems more like you got kicked from a dungeon for some reason, and used this thread to vent about it.

Maybe you should write a guide about how you tank, and still do good DPS... I am actually interested in trying it, even if only overland. Maybe some others are too. And this would also help those types of tanks getting recognized in dungeons easier, meaning less players would see them as fake. Just an idea.

Wow this was a very nice thread until it got hi-jacked. I have seen all the and more in the last 3 months doing 5-13 normal randoms a day, over 500 runs. I can say normals are not as bad as people think, except the people who treat it like an XP run and think that is a valid tactic. I like going in as tank so I can limit the runners, but I have noticed more and more fake healers queueing and doing the same thing, then telling me I am not pulling enough adds into a pile, meanwhile adds are running all around the dungeon and we're wasting 2-5X more time chasing them and killing 1 by 1.

BTW I have noticed the exact same thing as another poster, where the exact dudes who begins the dungeons asking for set pieces is literally always the same dude who is running ahead and ruining the dungeon. In 500 runs, it happened to me about 20 times and 100%. All I write at the end is TYFG, I will never give anything to someone who acts like that. Especially since most of the time they are asking for Medusa Fire staff and if I get one it is going in sticker book.

Sarannah

This thread wasn't about fake vs real tanks. So no longer going to comment on that!

Yesterday I got a fake healer in one of my veteran dungeon as well. After I initiated a vote to kick, he let it be known they were in this together. And that they 'might' kick me instead. Not sure if they were friends or guildies. Now they didn't vote to kick me, but ofcourse these guys costed me quite a few soulgems on the final boss. None of them were able to stay alive, and I purposely did never revive the fake healer.

And I agree with @Merforum, running through a dungeon is in most cases SLOWER than actually killing something. Be it for slower killing, players dying, players having to kill everything with only three players, having to wait for the other players at the next boss, or simply because in combat you can't enter the next door. So many reasons.... just kill everything and get more experience and loot in the progress while not annoying others. Not everyone runs a dungeon for gear. I mostly run them for the experience for CP.

And if players are farming something specific, I will gladly give it to them. If players mess up a run on purpose, they are not getting the item from me!

ApoAlaia

Sarannah wrote: »

Just for clarification, I'm on PC EU, and have multiple classes for tanks. Two dragonknights, two nightblades(my favorites), one warden, one necromancer, and one sorcerer. I don't use buffs to try and safe groupmembers, I just debuff/buff the group their DPS. A while ago I did run a tank that had groupbuffs for survivability, but I found players die in 1-hit anyways. So that felt like a waste of time.

Did get a few stone garden's around two weeks ago, where I did a quick summary of what to avoid/do before every boss. Atleast where it is needed.

There are some dungeons/bosses for which I always forget the mechanics. Sometimes because I don't remember the bosses, or because I haven't had the certain dungeon in a while.

The reason I made this post is because of all the negativity around pugging/tanking, while overall it is still a good experience. Though bad stuff/runs do happen. Just re-queue!

I might have been in one of those groups then; if that was the case, thank you. If it wasn't thank you all the same for taking the time to educate as opposed to berate your group.

Jeremy

Sarannah wrote: »

Two weeks in the life of a real tank:

-Left two groups because DPS was extremely low!
-Got insulted by healers twice, so I left those groups.
-Was told a nightblade could not be a tank.
-Have seen many DPS pull groups, slowing the dungeon down.
-Had two groups where trying to teach mechanics did not work, so I left those groups.
-Found out it is usually the groups that want to go fast, that shouldn't.
-Saw many players not interrupt.
-Sees DPS is often afraid to trust their tank.
-Completed every possible dungeon available.
-Completed practically every random dungeon I was placed in.
-Got praised for being a great tank a few times.
-Never did any pledge dungeons, just randoms.
-Completed 5 pledges which I randomly got as random.
-Was asked quite a few times to do the other pledges.
-Got a few friend invites, which I accepted.
-My slowest dungeon took a little over two hours.
-My fastest dungeon lasted less than 30 seconds. (my all-time record is 5 seconds)
-Was mostly placed in DLC dungeons.
-Hardly ever was placed in an already started run.
-Never looked at the player's their CP amount.
-Completed quite a few dungeon quests.
-Found out I still needed the Fungal Grotto 2 quest on one character.
-Forgot to turn in two dungeon quests after successfully completing the dungeons.
-Found out those complaining about a group and then leaving, are usually the issue.
-Never got kicked(yet).
-Pointed out many chests and heavy sacks.
-Got pointed out on quite a few chests and heavy sacks which I missed.
-Got into a tricky situation in Selene's web, where I got stuck in combat and could not enter the door.
-After a dungeon I always gave players the drop if they still needed it, and I didn't.
-Missed a mechanic here or there, sorry!
-Revived many players. (Suspect soulgem prices will be going up.)
-Did the secret boss in Black Drake Villa twice.
-Completed almost every dungeon on HM.

-Enjoyed every minute of it!!

PS: This is only about these two weeks during the anniversary event.
PPS: This is based on tanking 7 random veteran dungeons per day.

I've been playing a Night Blade tank lately, and honestly they seem better at it than my Templar was. I haven't tanked any raids on it, but I've done Vet DLC with it just fine.