Seraphayel wrote: »This list is... something.
MagCro almost always at the top?
MagCro almost always outperforming MagSorc?
Stamina builds rated C or D?
Magicka mostly outperforming Stamina?
I have to shake my head... and laugh.
Seraphayel wrote: »This list is... something.
MagCro almost always at the top?
MagCro almost always outperforming MagSorc?
Stamina builds rated C or D?
Magicka mostly outperforming Stamina?
I have to shake my head... and laugh.
List created by 30+ hardcore pvp players but i'm sure random from forum will provide a better one we are looking forward for your list!
As from me, i only disagree with magsorc, should be a little highier in most cases
dinokstrunz wrote: »Tier list looks about right, from what I've experienced it feels like experienced Magcros and Stamdens are just simply untouchable, Magcro healing is absolutely bonkers since FoA. Stamden is still imo the most powerful class/spec in no CP pvp. I just wonder how long before everyone realises the power of Magcro and we'll start seeing Magcros everywhere, that's gonna be fun.
GrigorijMalahevich wrote: »I totally disagree with the whole list. Magcro needs a buff!
PvP Magicka Necromancer has the worst offensive toolkit of any class by far!
Harmony nerf
Major vuln nerf
Mag blastbones essentially has no secondary effect since the damage modifier doesn't work now that blastbones doesn't run to the target.
Mag skulls are very slow spammable and have inferior secondary effects compared to other spammable options such as Force Pulse, Elemental Weapon, and even the stam skulls.
The Skeletal Arcanist deals incredibly low damage after battlespirit and doesn't target who you're immediately trying to kill.
Mystic siphon is completely useless in PvP.
Hungry Scythe from the Bone Tyrant tree just doesn't do enough damage to warrant use.
Despite having a DOT damage passive, mag necros don't have a single viable DOT for PvP in their class trees
Mag necros have no class access to major sorcery OR major prophecy.
dinokstrunz wrote: »Tier list looks about right, from what I've experienced it feels like experienced Magcros and Stamdens are just simply untouchable, Magcro healing is absolutely bonkers since FoA. Stamden is still imo the most powerful class/spec in no CP pvp. I just wonder how long before everyone realises the power of Magcro and we'll start seeing Magcros everywhere, that's gonna be fun.
Magcro is absolutely broken OP right now in no-proc cyro.
Seraphayel wrote: »We had similar lists for previous updates made by hardcore PvP players that contradicted each others so...
xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »MagNB being B tier makes 0 sense to me. While the spec has potentionally high burst, its really easy avoided and cloak being bugged kinda forces MagNB to use dark cloak which is really useless in a 8-10k spammable burst meta.
Would love to hear the explanation on how MagNB is better than a DoT StamDK or a Magplar.
Moonsorrow wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »We had similar lists for previous updates made by hardcore PvP players that contradicted each others so...
But NA and Console lists are usually irrelevant, those platforms will understand and follow the more superior PC EU meta usually after 3 months delay.
This list is accurate.
xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »MagNB being B tier makes 0 sense to me. While the spec has potentionally high burst, its really easy avoided and cloak being bugged kinda forces MagNB to use dark cloak which is really useless in a 8-10k spammable burst meta.
Would love to hear the explanation on how MagNB is better than a DoT StamDK or a Magplar.
Shade, mass hysteria, we have other tools besides cloak in our half-empty bag of tricks. If things go bad we can reset or withdraw, [edit: I don't know if the rest of that sentence is true anymore, which is pretty cool]. MNB is also a hell of a lot deadlier than a magplar, assuming both specs are good and lucky enough to land their abilities in a fight (potential damage output).
I don't think anybody's claiming B tier means everything's great with magblade.
xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »MagNB being B tier makes 0 sense to me. While the spec has potentionally high burst, its really easy avoided and cloak being bugged kinda forces MagNB to use dark cloak which is really useless in a 8-10k spammable burst meta.
Would love to hear the explanation on how MagNB is better than a DoT StamDK or a Magplar.
Shade, mass hysteria, we have other tools besides cloak in our half-empty bag of tricks. If things go bad we can reset or withdraw, [edit: I don't know if the rest of that sentence is true anymore, which is pretty cool]. MNB is also a hell of a lot deadlier than a magplar, assuming both specs are good and lucky enough to land their abilities in a fight (potential damage output).
I don't think anybody's claiming B tier means everything's great with magblade.
Good luck fitting shade unto your bar on a magnb. Fear, yes ok, a decent offensive and defensive CC.
However we cant reset the fight considering cloak is bugged and it breaks by single target abilities like LA etc, only efficient way to use invis is by roll dodging then going invis, even then its not guaranteed due to AoEs. So most magblades which arent gankers use dark cloak atm, which only heals for something like 700-800 per tick, good luck outhealing the insane burst in the current meta. Like I said magnb has potentially good burst but you can counter it with a single roll dodge, magplar has decent dmg and its not as easy avoided as magnb.
Jabs is AoE and snares, PoTL is undodgable and unblockable, jesus beam is deadlier than ever and undogable. Magplar has also a very good burst heal (BoL) and can easily block several people and just outheal the dmg, magnb cant.
I seriously fail to see how magnb is supposed to be better than a magplar or a stamdk.
xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »xI_The_Owl_Ix wrote: »MagNB being B tier makes 0 sense to me. While the spec has potentionally high burst, its really easy avoided and cloak being bugged kinda forces MagNB to use dark cloak which is really useless in a 8-10k spammable burst meta.
Would love to hear the explanation on how MagNB is better than a DoT StamDK or a Magplar.
Shade, mass hysteria, we have other tools besides cloak in our half-empty bag of tricks. If things go bad we can reset or withdraw, [edit: I don't know if the rest of that sentence is true anymore, which is pretty cool]. MNB is also a hell of a lot deadlier than a magplar, assuming both specs are good and lucky enough to land their abilities in a fight (potential damage output).
I don't think anybody's claiming B tier means everything's great with magblade.
Good luck fitting shade unto your bar on a magnb. Fear, yes ok, a decent offensive and defensive CC.
However we cant reset the fight considering cloak is bugged and it breaks by single target abilities like LA etc, only efficient way to use invis is by roll dodging then going invis, even then its not guaranteed due to AoEs. So most magblades which arent gankers use dark cloak atm, which only heals for something like 700-800 per tick, good luck outhealing the insane burst in the current meta. Like I said magnb has potentially good burst but you can counter it with a single roll dodge, magplar has decent dmg and its not as easy avoided as magnb.
Jabs is AoE and snares, PoTL is undodgable and unblockable, jesus beam is deadlier than ever and undogable. Magplar has also a very good burst heal (BoL) and can easily block several people and just outheal the dmg, magnb cant.
I seriously fail to see how magnb is supposed to be better than a magplar or a stamdk.
If you're not using shade you're giving up on the strongest kiting skill in the entire game, in terms of kiting it gives streak a run for its money.
Magplar has no option of creating offensive windows, which it needs as jabs force you to drop block and doesn't allow you to dodge, it's simply able to swap from defense to offence and is stuck between either surviving and not getting a single kill or trying to get a kill and be killed in the process.
StamDK lacks the damage to get important kills and is sorely missing the survivability proc sets had given it.
I completely disagree with this tier list and have to speak out loud on it. I play stamden on a regular basis (at least 8h already this patch and even more for the last patches) and I can tell you it is everything else than S-tier.
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First of all, wardens have no good healing. We all know that only stamina is good in Cyro because they can break free and magicka cannot - at least not twice in a row.
Stamina has no good access to healing because vigor got nerfed a lot and is only 4 seconds now, so I am forced to cast it basically all the time now. Of course I cannot be forced to and I took vigor off my bars like the better PvP players have all done (e.g. Kristofer ESO).
The other warden healing skills are all magicka or have a very bad animation, so no-one uses them. The only exception is the polar wind skill, which scales off your health. But high health is really bad because it takes very long to heal to full again. For example I can heal to full with one polar wind from 60%HP at 20k MaxHP but I cannot at 35k, which makes stacking health on warden an extremely bad idea.
That's also one of the main flaws in design for warden (I have to take points out of passive for minor toughness).
My bear as the only good warden ult also interferes sometimes with my burst from snipe (which I slotted instead of the bugs as they seemed to just go randomly in front of me and don't hit targets I aim the crosshairs at).
All in all, I often stumble into situations where I cannot outheal even the slightest pressure. I use healing ward back bar as my main heal and I just quickly run out of magicka when I use it.
So this tier list is just wrong for every single class and every single assumption.
In my opinion it also judges players by what class they play and thus is very discriminatory. It puts players into an imaginary tier based on what content they enjoy and something like that is just hostile and doesn't help the community at all. It's play how you want and not get judged and discriminated by what you play!!!
[Edited to remove Baiting]
Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »This list is... something.
MagCro almost always at the top?
MagCro almost always outperforming MagSorc?
Stamina builds rated C or D?
Magicka mostly outperforming Stamina?
I have to shake my head... and laugh.
List created by 30+ hardcore pvp players but i'm sure random from forum will provide a better one we are looking forward for your list!
As from me, i only disagree with magsorc, should be a little highier in most cases
See, you disagree with that, I disagree with that as well. Others will disagree on other placements and we'll get a completely different picture than what OP presented. In the end it's pretty subjective. We had similar lists for previous updates made by hardcore PvP players that contradicted each others so... I like these lists, but they’re not universal.