I'm on console, hows dps om pts?

Gulnagel

Iv'e heard some horror storries that it is cut by 40% but I won't jump to conclusion. I rather ask you Who know:)

Kurat

I only tested magden and basically rage quit lol.
The stories you heard are true unfortunately. I lost about 35-40% dps
From 85k to 55k on 21 mil, used current meta MS, Siroria, Zaan, Bloodthirsty rings etc
Some character stats actually went higher but not sure what caused that massive loss. I gained about 1-2k max mag, 4k hp, 1k spell dmg but lost about 10% crit. And cp passives and slottables are kinda meh, like 1300 extra mag, 150 spell dmg, 10% direct dmg, 10% dot dmg or 10% aoe dmg. And you can only slot 4 to activate. Heavy nerf from 1.0

I also tested on 3 mil dummy in case 21 mil is borked. Same thing 35% loss. Even tried the new dungeons, used to melt trash mobs 100k now only half that. Boss fights with mechs and moving around, 20k dps lol. We are back to 2016-17

Arthalion1

The biggest buffs have been deleted. I.e. up to 25% to DD damage, dots and magical or disease damage etc. That will be the reason it’s so low even though slight stat increase on face of it I think?

Mindcr0w

It sounds like some things probably aren't working as intended. Yeah we're losing a good chunk of crit and crit damage, but 2k max stat and especially 1000 more spell dmg should be going quite a way to counter balance the loss.

Gulnagel

Okey, now I'm worried.

Elwendryll

So, I asked on my discord.
Pen debuffs are bugged and not present on the trial dummy.
Also templates are still only 810 CPs...

Gulnagel

Elwendryll wrote: »

So, I asked on my discord.
Pen debuffs are bugged and not present on the trial dummy.
Also templates are still only 810 CPs...

But people report same dps loss om 3 mil dummy.
And I'm around 1000 CP but the vertical progression should CAP at 810, horizontal can start after 810. Is it is as many say that you wont reach full potential until CP1700? If so I might aswell jump ship. I have nothing against grinding if it isn't mandatory. But I won't tolerate grinding just to be able to do content again that Iv'e done for a couple of years already.

Stahlor

That's

Gulnagel wrote: »

...it is cut by 40%

That's going to be fun in VBRP!

ccfeeling

Im waiting someone post us 150k dps at Oblivion patch...

thedoodle_90

Right now it seems some debuffs are not working on target dummies so impossible to tell.

Girl_Number8

With what we were given to test with, it is a big loss so far.

The new system feels unfinished and loosely put together. It certainly does not look and feel like something that was worked on with particular attention for the last two years.

sarahthes

Gulnagel wrote: »

Elwendryll wrote: »

So, I asked on my discord.
Pen debuffs are bugged and not present on the trial dummy.
Also templates are still only 810 CPs...

But people report same dps loss om 3 mil dummy.
And I'm around 1000 CP but the vertical progression should CAP at 810, horizontal can start after 810. Is it is as many say that you wont reach full potential until CP1700? If so I might aswell jump ship. I have nothing against grinding if it isn't mandatory. But I won't tolerate grinding just to be able to do content again that Iv'e done for a couple of years already.

A friend was parsing on the 6m dummy last night and got the same results with Avid and Unnerving Boneyard.

Unnerving has Major Breach (Avid doesn't). Same damage with both morphs - seems maybe pen debuffs aren't applying to the dummies correctly on pts.

BattleAxe

From what I’ve been seeing and reading by people who can test yes there is going to be a damage loss. However it does seem they did adjust or at least begin adjusting content to compensate the dps loss. Overall the new cp system looks to be an improvement over the old and with plans to expand on it more in the future with adding more nodes eventually. It’s gonna hurt now but it’s looking promising for future updates.

Merlin13KAGL

Mindcr0w wrote: »

It sounds like some things probably aren't working as intended. Yeah we're losing a good chunk of crit and crit damage, but 2k max stat and especially 1000 more spell dmg should be going quite a way to counter balance the loss.

You have to couple that with the modified base stats for Level 50 and armor adjustments. Armor buffs changed with more than just the bonuses and penalties.

You'll end up with someone similar attributes with a similar setup, similar pen, etc.

Where the loss comes into play is the slottable items. You only get 4 per constellation to choose from, so you no longer get bonuses to DoTs, Single Target, and AoE, along with extra Crit %, extra Crit damage. You get a combination of four. Period.

Using those means you're giving up the +Mag/Stam stat or the +SD/WD stat (which ends up being less than what is attainable on live, even if you do slot it.

You're also giving up all your bonuses to any surviveabiliity you had, because the % mitigation bonuses are also slottables.

You get to pick between less damage and more survivability or full glass cannon and hope you don't get hit.

As for the adjustment of content to compensate, it will be the same adjustment they've done in the past - you're not going to be doing the content to the same level you were before.

The same thing happened when they increased stats by a factor of 10, when they first introduced CP's, when the performed first CP nerf after Morrowind, rinse, repeat.

You are not going to be as strong after as you are right now. And, as usual, the people this will affect the most will be the mid and lower tier. The top 1% isn't going to feel it as much, because they're not concerned with mitigation and resource management now when everything melts before it can do any measure of damage.

The remaining two groups will be more survivable, but fights will take even longer, because their damage will be reduced even further than it is now.

I lost 12k easy on an Iron Atro sloppy parse between Live and PTS. That's huge, and still nothing compared to how it will affect the typical player.

You'll get the privilege of grinding up to 'max' again to not even be as powerful as you are now.

It's ridiculous.

stefj68

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You'll get the privilege of grinding up to 'max' again to not even be as powerful as you are now.

It's ridiculous.

totally true, even with max passive warfare skills + 4 slotted skills, you won't do 75% of what you were doing before!
fun of grinding for hummm let me think... humm let me think... nothing!

new constellation offers nice builds variety, but their is not enough passives, or not enough slottable skills slots or both!

preevious

stefj68 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You'll get the privilege of grinding up to 'max' again to not even be as powerful as you are now.

It's ridiculous.

totally true, even with max passive warfare skills + 4 slotted skills, you won't do 75% of what you were doing before!
fun of grinding for hummm let me think... humm let me think... nothing!

new constellation offers nice builds variety, but their is not enough passives, or not enough slottable skills slots or both!

Actually totally false.

I'm already well over 75% (39 -> 32 (3mil, atronach is busted)) of what I did, and that's with a lot of cp bugs that artificially lowers my output in PTS. When the bugs will be corrected and all cp stars taken into account, I'll be pretty close to what I used to do.
Let's all stop fearmongering.

BattleAxe

stefj68 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

You'll get the privilege of grinding up to 'max' again to not even be as powerful as you are now.

It's ridiculous.

totally true, even with max passive warfare skills + 4 slotted skills, you won't do 75% of what you were doing before!
fun of grinding for hummm let me think... humm let me think... nothing!

new constellation offers nice builds variety, but their is not enough passives, or not enough slottable skills slots or both!

Actually this new system will have you build your cp for your class specifically no more cookie cutter cp placement. Granted might be a bit weaker at first but also keep in mind the plan is to expand upon this new cp system in the future adding more nodes possibly more champ bar slots down the road. This is week 1 of pts.