Post your best fake tanks

NoSoup

With the undaunted event days away its obvious the fastest way to farm it will be by fake tanking normals, so what's your go to fake tank build??

zvavi

Non. I will be running my vDLC dungeons with pugs like I always do. Sometimes dd. Sometimes tank.

Zer0_CooL

On normal you can play basically any dd build with a taunt as tank. Since it speeds up the run you're probably even more welcome than a full tank.

Kurat

I only use real tank in vet dlcs. For others I just slot inner fire so the bosses stay still. If dlc dungeon pops then I'll leave and requeue after 15 min.

Husan

Take any dd build. Put on ring of the pale order. Slot taunt. Fake tank ready to go.

zaria

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

On normal you can play basically any dd build with a taunt as tank. Since it speeds up the run you're probably even more welcome than a full tank.

Yes it tend to work and as you say the extra damage is nice especially if group is low dps.
Outside of: Today's random normal dungeon is moon hunter keep
But is more impressed over the real although low cp tank in normal march of sacrifice who looked like he was one shot on the three bosses, yes he was probably hit by both tank and the archer at once without blocking.

Kurat

When fake tanking, make sure to queue with a friend or guildy otherwise some salty pugs can vote kick you. It happened to me yesterday when I got BRF for random. It was only normal and I taunted bosses but they tried to kick me. Luckily I was with friend so it failed
I also did 60% of the dps so they really had some nerve.

caperb

Fake tank in random normal? Depends on the dungeon but usually I don't even bother to slot a taunt since the bosses are burned anyway.

In vet DLC? Rather go with friends, a real tank and leave the healer out. in PUG's no fake tanking.

Grandchamp1989

None, I got 4 tanks to que random vet and 2 healers.

If I can get someone else to play support maybe my DDs will even see some playtime - but if all of you are gonna fake it like no tomorrow I'm guessing my que time for DD will be rather low.

OlumoGarbag

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=218670
I use this as a faketank all the time even for vet and normal dlc just slot range taunt instead of whip, and bewitched sugar skulls instead of areteum. Up to 30k Dps still and unkillable of you know how to block oneshots

Curious_Death

still most fake tanks do more dps than casual DD's just replace on ur DD 1x monster set part with ring of pale order

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Kurat wrote: »

I only use real tank in vet dlcs. For others I just slot inner fire so the bosses stay still. If dlc dungeon pops then I'll leave and requeue after 15 min.

Please consider what this does to the rest of the group. They get into a DLC dungeon that requires a real tank, but they are stranded without one and have to wait for another. They can't even do something else while they wait, and the replacement tank might be fake as well and leave as soon as they arrive. Your fake tanking makes three other people's game experience less enjoyable.

svendf

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For you, who get them in your group just kick them and if you can´t (maybe they have a so called friend with them), just leave, because most of them are not able to run some of those dungeons alone anyway for most parts it´s just mouth.

if it´s a DLC dungeon these fakes are sold if you leave. The real good player´s will stay with vet

[Edited to remove Baiting]

caperb

svendf wrote: »

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For you, who get them in your group just kick them and if you can´t (maybe they have a so called friend with them), just leave, because most of them are not able to run some of those dungeons alone anyway for most parts it´s just mouth.

if it´s a DLC dungeon these fakes are sold if you leave. The real good player´s will stay with vet

I think this thread was about fake tanking normals. Even for base game vet fake tanking isn't a problem as long as the tank has heals or knows how to block.

Most people that fake tank actually solo the dungeon faster than the group they get would have completed it together.

Nobody disagrees with vet DLC needing a proper tank.

mobicera

I will group with people I know, no sense wasting my time in pugs.
We will just run 3 dps 1 tank and do vet, better for everyone.
I don't need to bother with poor dps or tanks that need a healer in 4 person, so I don't get annoyed and I don't annoy others forcing them to learn how to play lol.

Sarannah

This thread should be locked, as it promotes cheating on the game!

svendf

It shouldn´t be locked. Attention should be brought to ZOS so they can se, what some people are promoting lol

Viewsfrom6ix

Husan wrote: »

Take any dd build. Put on ring of the pale order. Slot taunt. Fake tank ready to go.

This isn't a fake tank if you have taunt and use it, just an ineffective tank but a tank nonetheless.

hexnotic

Kurat wrote: »

When fake tanking, make sure to queue with a friend or guildy otherwise some salty pugs can vote kick you. It happened to me yesterday when I got BRF for random. It was only normal and I taunted bosses but they tried to kick me. Luckily I was with friend so it failed
I also did 60% of the dps so they really had some nerve.

This happened to me before, but as fake heals on my magblade. It was just me and the pugs were all buds in a nMGF... They were going as slow as possible, and when we got to the gargoyle boss they kept on dpsing the boss during his dmg reflection phase. When everyone died they blamed me for not healing, even though I typed the mechs in chat before the boss. Lol I got kicked, and on top of that they wouldn't give me a piece of gear that I politely asked for. Real cool dudes.

iksde

svendf wrote: »

It shouldn´t be locked. Attention should be brought to ZOS so they can se, what some people are promoting lol

what some people are not only promoting but just how flawed their group content is
I dont mind getting fake roles on easy content, like Im evena ble to run 4dd basic vet dungeons I care much more to have proper dps in group rather than "fake dps" as it is doing no dps or dont know how

and basically how build are dungs, how balanced where if you are good enough you dont need healer in any content except just trials showing it how flawed this content is where you dont need all roles to be able to complete this and at once how it is not rewarding these "rarer" roles (mostly tank) because people dont know how to play dps to do content without struggle, boredom

robpr

I'm gonna solo normal Fungal for set pieces and tickets

caperb

svendf wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

[snip]

For you, who get them in your group just kick them and if you can´t (maybe they have a so called friend with them), just leave, because most of them are not able to run some of those dungeons alone anyway for most parts it´s just mouth.

if it´s a DLC dungeon these fakes are sold if you leave. The real good player´s will stay with vet

I think this thread was about fake tanking normals. Even for base game vet fake tanking isn't a problem as long as the tank has heals or knows how to block.

Most people that fake tank actually solo the dungeon faster than the group they get would have completed it together.

Nobody disagrees with vet DLC needing a proper tank.

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Yes, most fake tanks are actually pretty good DPS players that want to skip the queue. They are doing a service to the group if it was a low DPS group, otherwise it doesn't matter.

Healers though, they are not needed in 4 man and getting a proper healer is worse much than getting a fake tank, because it means a slower dungeon.

Talking about normal dungeons ofc. In vet queue you often have players that don't know mechanics well enough/have too low DPS thus need an healer. I rather do vet with friends because of that, so you can enter with 1 tank and 3 DPS.

AyaDark

Sarannah wrote: »

This thread should be locked, as it promotes cheating on the game!

Do you really believe in what you are writing ?

Fake tanking is not different from bad play, from fake dd and etc. Not fake DD can solo, even some vet dlc HMs.

Where is cheating ?

You use in game function.

I try go tank this week to get some ancient arheologick thing to house from new vampire DLC dunguan.

I am alive - all adds on me 100% agr uptime.

Other party is dead. I res it. It is dead again.

Than it lives group it is DD and heal 810+ that is dead all the time becouse it play like ... "META dummy player".

I ask other DD, do you understand why so less tanks in randoms ?

For my fortune we wait a little and 2 new players was good and this one did not die more, becouse may be fill some shame.

Those 2 others do not fill any shame at all . Other party just need do all the work for them.

So wait for random on dd 40 minute and walk 40 minutes.
Go on my tank for 1,5 hour or solo 1,5 hour, no difference at all.

That is not how party have to work.

I can say, if you play that bad = fake role cheating !!!

But i just say ... okey, i get what i get, IT IS RANDOM, that is how it work, your premade is offline get some pain !!!

etchedpixels

iksde wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

It shouldn´t be locked. Attention should be brought to ZOS so they can se, what some people are promoting lol

what some people are not only promoting but just how flawed their group content is

The group content is designed to be accessible, especially at normal level, so once you are good (or just have a lot of CP and gear) it's going to be a walk in the park. That's not a flaw IMHO.

Similarly there are many ways to tackle content than the crude (and quite frankly very old staid and boring) tank, dd, healer trinity. In fact some content is much easier to tackle with other combinations.

Part of the problem is that you can't queue as an existing four group without messing with the roles, and you can't queue for a random normal except with four people. That one is made even worse by the fact that all random normals have the same reward so everyone manipulates it to have a low level or non ESO+ member in every group.

In the ideal world the dungeon finder would let you queue in smaller groups, queue with an option for no-tank or no-healer required etc.

Better yet some of the fake tanking people could just slot an actual taunt and learn to use it. If you can dodge roll the hard hits or have good damage mitigation and hold taunt then you are not a fake tank in a normal. For that matter if you stick bee keeper or plague doctor plus hatchlings shell on all but the most squishy of squishies then you should be able to properly tank a non DLC normal even if you can't really buff the group too much. If you've got a little bit of health then you can run ebon or imperium instead of hatchlings. For a fair range of classes you've got a bunch of other ways to buff the group anyway.

Jaimeh

Don't fake tank, unless you are in a premade/preagreed group. In a PUG, if you are set as a tank, then make sure to have inner fire at the very least, and a self heal (because you also might get a fake healer, see how this can get problematic). You can also 'tank' a fair few vets with a DD or healer toon, with a taunt, a shield, a self heal, and a decent stamina pool, and knowing when to block certain boss attacks.

Veinblood1965

I just queue up with my normal DPS gear on. Let the group die if they can't run fast enough lol.

josiahva

Good lord, not another fake tank thread.

LMFBA

OP says fake tanking on NORMAL!

It would blow my mind if there was a full cp, experienced tank decked out in bis gear for any random normal.

What are you people saying? normal non dlc dungeon a tank isnt needed AT ALL!
Normal dlc if the fake tank is good then its cool but the random normal dlc pull for the fake tank is where the line gets drawn for a lot of players who wanna quick dungeon pop, think they are better than they actually are, a fake healer has also queued and this is where the problem starts, and forum posts get made.

I run a random normal, queued as tank on a DD that can solo the entire dungeon, any normal dungeon, i normally just get people saying 'thanks for the carry', which is cool.

Vet dungeons and vet dlc are doable as a fake tank but i rarely do it as i dont trust the performance and 1 slip of lag can be a 1 shot and group wipe and i dont wanna let the group down.

But the fake DD's out there, please during the event dont be trying to RP your way through a random normal when people will be farming, thanks in advance.

WySoSirius

Queueing for random normal percentage by chance. Most times will actually need a legit tank. From experience I have with the correct tank gear and the pugs I have gotten needed such a tank. Or you get that DLC NM with pugs that haven't run the dungeon. After all it is normal mode so chances of low CP healers and DDs are greater. And I am all for helping and encouraging new players the right way. If I get a pug group of OP vetters. Then it's just a speed run. So win win

zaria

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

Husan wrote: »

Take any dd build. Put on ring of the pale order. Slot taunt. Fake tank ready to go.

This isn't a fake tank if you have taunt and use it, just an ineffective tank but a tank nonetheless.

Agree call it an DD / off tank, a bit like BoL make you an DD / off heal.
Both can be very effective in content who don't require an full tank or healer.
Benefit for the healer is that he only have to swap out gear and skill to be an trial healer.
Tank has the added requirement of not dying

masterofpow3r

Any class with inner fire and an aoe spammable replacing one front bar dot or shield if that class doesn't already use an aoe spammable primarily.