Lamia's Song doesn't work with Sorcerer Overload Ultimate

maxjapank

Lamia's Song was recently changed as follows:

Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(4 items) Adds 1096 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) When you use an Ultimate ability, you and your group members within 20 meters of you heal for 25 Health and restore 25 Magicka and Stamina per point of the Ultimate's cost.

However, it doesn't work with Overload. Even though Power Overload costs 25 ultimate with each cast, there are no resources returned. Is this intended?

Zer0_CooL

Is this a nerf sorc thread?

maxjapank

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Is this a nerf sorc thread?

No. lol. I farmed Lamia's Song for my MagSorc hoping to use with Overload. But it didn't work. Hoping it's an oversight from the devs. It'd be nice to use.

Houshiki

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

maxjapank

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

zaria

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

I think this is correct and its an good chance sets who do stuff based on ultimate cost will not work with overload.

Houshiki

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

There're a few sets that proc off of ulti cast:

• Inventor's Guard
• Lamia's Song
• Master Architect
• War Machine
• Witchman Armor
• Automated Defense

Whether or not they work with overload, I don't know for sure. Though I did test Master Architect a while back, it didn't proc from overload unfortunately.

maxjapank

zaria wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

I think this is correct and its an good chance sets who do stuff based on ultimate cost will not work with overload.

Do you know which sets these would be? Have you tested said sets?

But the question remains to the Devs....”I’m using ultimate with each Overload cast, so why not enable Lamia’s Song to return resources based on the Ulti spent?”

UntilValhalla13

When you're "using" overload, it's actually because you're light/heavy attacking, which isn't what that set activates on. Overload is basically a fancy ele weapon. It's not an ultimate like the rest of them. It's an altered state which changes how your other attacks function, if that makes sense.

maxjapank

Houshiki wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

There're a few sets that proc off of ulti cast:

• Inventor's Guard
• Lamia's Song
• Master Architect
• War Machine
• Witchman Armor
• Automated Defense

Whether or not they work with overload, I don't know for sure. Though I did test Master Architect a while back, it didn't proc from overload unfortunately.

Thanks for the info. I may or may not test a few more. I really spent a lot of time farming for Lamia's Song, getting the exact pieces I wanted. So I'm a bit disappointed. I know I can use it for other classes and other ultimates. So it's not a complete waste. But it would still be nice to use this set with Overload as it does consume Ulti.

Oh, dang. Most of those are trial sets. Definitely not going to waste time farming those just to find out they don't work.

maxjapank

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

When you're "using" overload, it's actually because you're light/heavy attacking, which isn't what that set activates on. Overload is basically a fancy ele weapon. It's not an ultimate like the rest of them. It's an altered state which changes how your other attacks function, if that makes sense.

You make perfect sense. But I still think it's a shame that you cannot use Lamia's Song since you are consuming ulti. Perhaps the Devs could make this work.

Stinkyremy

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

This is a probably the answer as overload isn't even using a single ult point at all. try do the same with warden bear and see if it works. Then try using warden bear attack and overload light attack see if it gives you ult back.

zaria

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Houshiki wrote: »

My best guess is it being similar to all the other sets that proc on ulti cast. Where the set only procs if the ultimate cast/activated consumes ulti on cast. Unfortunately, overload is a toggle and does not consume ulti on activation, but instead consumes ulti for each LA/HA while active. In other words, the set is registering 0 ulti being consumed, or is not being proc'd at all because 0 ulti is consumed on activation.

So its probably working as intended. Which would mean all those sets that proc on ulti activation are useless for overload.

That could be the case. And likely the toggle is doing exactly that, as you said. But as Overload does consume ultimate, it would be nice to be able to use sets with it.

Which other sets do not work with Overload? Have you tested those sets?

There're a few sets that proc off of ulti cast:

• Inventor's Guard
• Lamia's Song
• Master Architect
• War Machine
• Witchman Armor
• Automated Defense

Whether or not they work with overload, I don't know for sure. Though I did test Master Architect a while back, it didn't proc from overload unfortunately.

Thanks for the info. I may or may not test a few more. I really spent a lot of time farming for Lamia's Song, getting the exact pieces I wanted. So I'm a bit disappointed. I know I can use it for other classes and other ultimates. So it's not a complete waste. But it would still be nice to use this set with Overload as it does consume Ulti.

Oh, dang. Most of those are trial sets. Definitely not going to waste time farming those just to find out they don't work.

If on pc downloading the PTS is very nice for testing out sets or build, PTS is always on and is even better for this outside of PTS cycles as its don't resets.

manny254

This is intentional. When this set was introduced in the One Tamriel PTS patch, overload initially worked with it. It was later patched on the PTS to not function with overload.

maxjapank

manny254 wrote: »

This is intentional. When this set was introduced in the One Tamriel PTS patch, overload initially worked with it. It was later patched on the PTS to not function with overload.

But the old set gave something like 7k health return upon Ultimate use. That would've been so overpowered at only 25 ulti for Overload. But the set has been reworked now. It only returns 25 of each resource for each ulti spent. The amount returned is equalized for all ultimates now.