Introduce Safer Crown Gifting Option: Yes or No

ZamanShah

Hi All.
Rule of post: No bashing, naming or shaming, no lewd or rude comments. Basically dont go against Zos rules of violation.

Let us get this poll heard wide and clear without it being fallen on deaf ears.

Like many of you, i have been have been scammed. Many of you ingame or in discord. I myself was scammed by a individual in discord posing as legit seller (changing his name and profile photo). This shows, there is no 100% safe method of gifting crowns.
Its is absolutly wrong to give scammers a platform for their fraudulent behaviour agianst honest and dedicated players. We need a safer method of gifting and receiving crowns.

This is where the poll comes in. Maybe just maybe forum mods can see this, and relay it back to their teams.

Should we have a safer option to gift and receive crowns?

redspecter23

YES

I think it's obvious that making something safer is a good idea... for players. As long as the action is legitimate, why not create a system to do it safely? ZOS must have their reasons and I don't think it comes down to just not wanting to do it.

I suspect that they can take a "hands off" approach if they allow it, but don't officially support it. There may be some sort of legal or logistical barrier that keeps them from easily allowing what is basically a gold for crowns conversion and also a $$$ for gold option if you reverse it.

Guyle

YES

Other games have exchanges for the in-game currency to cash shop currency, why ESO doesn't have one is beyond me. Their approach to the player base is to keep trying to ram that square peg into a round hole, so this will probably never be instituted.

Sylvermynx

Other: no opinion. It's not something I would ever bother with.

Stinkyremy

ZamanShah wrote: »

Hi All.
This shows, there is no 100% safe method of gifting crowns.

ahhh yes there is!
They purchase product, gift to you, you pay.

nukk3r

YES

It would be cool if they copied Warframe's trading system in some way for crowns. It requires both players to be of a certain level, have 2FA enabled, both should be present at a kiosk, both pay a tax depending on the items they trade.

redspecter23

YES

Stinkyremy wrote: »

ZamanShah wrote: »

Hi All.
This shows, there is no 100% safe method of gifting crowns.

ahhh yes there is!
They purchase product, gift to you, you pay.

And what if you're the one gifting? How is this safe? They could just choose to not pay you the gold.

PizzaCat82

YES

Its been requested almost as long as they've had gifting available.

The bug that doesn't let you gift if someone has part of a package might have been the reason they never did it before. I hope they can work something out this year.

Kalik_Gold

YES

Yes create a vendor that holds crowns like deposit and seller sets a price. Other player can buy the crowns for gold.

That way ALL items in the crown shop become buy able, even non giftable items.

LannStone

YES

Yes, I've been scammed, so I don't even try anymore.
And yes, I would love to see a safer system to trade gold for crowns.
But I would guess the reason ZOS has not come up with a safer system is to discourage the whole notion, so we will buy crowns with real money - our gold doesn't help their bottom line. So I doubt this poll is going to prompt them to action.

bmnoble

YES

LannStone wrote: »

Yes, I've been scammed, so I don't even try anymore.
And yes, I would love to see a safer system to trade gold for crowns.
But I would guess the reason ZOS has not come up with a safer system is to discourage the whole notion, so we will buy crowns with real money - our gold doesn't help their bottom line. So I doubt this poll is going to prompt them to action.

Someone still needs to buy the crowns, they would never do a direct gold to crowns exchange from from the crown store.

Other have suggested in the past being able to buy something like crown vouchers/gift cards from the crown store that you can sell on guild traders, direct trade or COD in the mail.

The one buying it can then cash the gift card/voucher in and get the enclosed amount of crowns to spend, as they would normally.

idk

I doubt we need a poll to tell Zos what so many threads have already said. The poll is pretty much useless if Zos is not heading the sound logical message some of us have presented.

I have never understood how Zos can do such a great job with storytelling, world-building, and add some of the details to ESO that make this game stand out from the rest, yet low budget games like Neverwinter some aspects of this game look like children designed them. This is one of those areas where ESO is put to shame by Neverwinter.

All that needs to be done to make this safe and give Zos control over what can be gifted/traded is a token system. What we buy from the crown store is a token that can be traded via the crown store which is completely safe. The idea is fabulous in its simplicity If a player still chooses to trade the token directly with another player, even a complete stranger, and gets scammed that is their problem.

ecru

YES

The solution to this problem is to put a tradeable item in the store that works as a voucher for crowns which can be bought with crowns. You buy your voucher with crowns, put it on a guild merchant, whoever wants to buy your crowns buys the voucher for gold and uses the voucher to give their account crowns. Each voucher could be 1,000 crowns or something. To incentivize sales this way, these items would not be subject to any listing fees on guild merchants.

There, I fixed crown sales forever.

CrashTest

YES

bmnoble wrote: »

Other have suggested in the past being able to buy something like crown vouchers/gift cards from the crown store that you can sell on guild traders, direct trade or COD in the mail.

The one buying it can then cash the gift card/voucher in and get the enclosed amount of crowns to spend, as they would normally.

That's a great idea.

idk

ecru wrote: »

The solution to this problem is to put a tradeable item in the store that works as a voucher for crowns which can be bought with crowns. You buy your voucher with crowns, put it on a guild merchant, whoever wants to buy your crowns buys the voucher for gold and uses the voucher to give their account crowns. Each voucher could be 1,000 crowns or something. To incentivize sales this way, these items would not be subject to any listing fees on guild merchants.

There, I fixed crown sales forever.

The token system I mention would give players the opportunity to safely trade crown items through the guild traders but also give Zos the opportunity to control what can and cannot be gifted. Unless something has changed, there are some things that cannot be gifted.

Moonsorrow

YES

Yes please ZOS.

Big QoL change that would not be so much effort even, copy the mechanism from other games where such a trade works so no need to re-discover wheel or anything.

Nomadic_Atmoran

YES

Gifting should have never rolled out without a safe means of doing so between players exchanging in game items/gold for Crown Store items. But this is ZOS and their internal motto is "Half Measures Above All Else".

Raideen

At least Blizzard/World of Warcraft admits to selling gold for in game with game time tokens. ZOS could learn from them.

Ysbriel

NO

I guess the “gift” option is not intended for trading. and you wouldn’t have that issue if you would only exchange gold for gifts with your close friends. gift or receive a gift for helping someone out.

Guyle

YES

Ysbriel wrote: »

I guess the “gift” option is not intended for trading. and you wouldn’t have that issue if you would only exchange gold for gifts with your close friends. gift or receive a gift for helping someone out.

Who cares what they intended it for? They may have intended that it only be used as a gifting system, but when they said that trading in game gold for crowns was not against the TOS they opened the gate from what they may have wanted it to be used for and what players are actually going to use it for. Maybe they need to stop, as I have said before, trying to force square pegs into round holes, get their heads out of their own holes, and pay attention to what their players do and want to do. They have a disturbing history of trying to force us into doing these we dont want to do, and they need to wake up, because a lot of us vets are getting have been tired of this for a long time. We like the game, we hate the way the devs try to push their vision of bs on to us.

Parrot1986

YES

Having something like the wow token where it’s value is controlled by Zos based on usage and sellable on the guild traders for that value only would be the ideal as ensures consistency and safety without anyone able to manipulate the market and makes it safe for everyone.

richo262

YES

Allow crown store items in a trade window.

ZOS may want to keep it as 'gifting' for legal reasons, as others have suggested may be the case. I'm uncertain this is the crux of it, as other MMOs have build in game currency for gold exchanges, or tokens.

A trade window does not require the other party to put anything in the trade window. It can still be a gift system. I suspect many users would however, put gold on the other side of the trade window, but it is not a requirement of the trade windows that both parties present something up for offer.

Also refer to it as a Transfer Window from here on out.

If ZOS adopted a proper method, they could also sell 6month ESO+ tokens and even Chapters all within the game ecosystem. I'm sure ZOS has been raking in money from crown gifting, they could formalise it and bring all of this into the ecosystem. By being able to transfer these items would essentially obliterate gold bot farmers as people with $$ that wish to buy gold will simply do so via safer methods within the game itself, the demand on the black gold market would be crushed, and ZOS would end up taking their cut over the shadey gold bots.

Tandor

It doesn't affect me in that I have zero interest in such trading, but personally I'd drop the whole gold/crown trading thing which isn't what players were looking for initially when they requested gifting. I suspect that when ZOS realised it was happening they saw it as a way of keeping commercial gold sellers out of the game but that hasn't worked out either. Given that we're where we are, if the system is retained then I wouldn't devote more development time to it but I suspect that wider promotion of the "Buyer beware, no refunds provided" message could usefully be made. It's certainly not something I'd see the need to encourage.

Luke_Flamesword

YES

There may be some sort of legal or logistical barrier that keeps them from easily allowing what is basically a gold for crowns conversion and also a $$$ for gold option if you reverse it.

But this is already in game - you can gift any player crown store items and this player can just send you gold by ingame mail. Changing UI to make this trade safer (one function to do both thing at the same time instead two seperate functions with the same result at the end) changes nothing if we talking about legal perspective.

Mrs_Malaka

YES

ecru wrote: »

The solution to this problem is to put a tradeable item in the store that works as a voucher for crowns which can be bought with crowns. You buy your voucher with crowns, put it on a guild merchant, whoever wants to buy your crowns buys the voucher for gold and uses the voucher to give their account crowns. Each voucher could be 1,000 crowns or something. To incentivize sales this way, these items would not be subject to any listing fees on guild merchants.

There, I fixed crown sales forever.

I love this idea if it weren't for the fact that ZOS is frequently making horrible bugs related to the guild store/traders lol
But ya, love the voucher idea! ^^

Firstmep

YES

It's not like crown selling is hurting the market, that gold we use to pay for those crowns has to come from somewhere.
It's not like we are directly giving the gold to an npc(therefore removing it from the player economy).
I have no issues with anyone who wants to exchange their crownz for gold.