Snipe Set, when does the calculate the 33%

katorga

Point-Blank Snipe (Snipe)
2 – Adds 103 Weapon Damage (Perfected Only)
2 – Increases your damage done with Snipe by 33% against targets that are within 7 meters of you.

If I cast snipe, cast gap closer before snipe lands, and am within 7m at the point snipe impacts, will I get the 33% bonus?

SidraWillowsky

Tangential, but is what you described something that's part of game design? I didn't realize that was possible.

kojou

Sounds like a user testable scenario... Snipe does have quite the hang time, so it is probably worth a check to see if you can pull it off.

Gilvoth

this is a perfect example of why the combat system in eso is so Horrible.
the fact that we have to glitch the system \ create methods that are not intended in order to be competitive in combat is now and has been destroying eso now since beta 7 years ago and still going today.
i pray that microsoft fixes this type of thing for good so that every one has a chance to play the game as intended instead of playing a game that is glitch dependent

Skelfish

Theoretically it should be. Before the latest Roaring Opportunist change, a nightblade healer could fire a heavy attack, then Cloak before the projectile landed to guarantee the critical hit and get a longer buff time on the proc.
It would have to be tested for sure, but on the surface your scenario seems similar enough that it could work.

katorga

kojou wrote: »

Sounds like a user testable scenario... Snipe does have quite the hang time, so it is probably worth a check to see if you can pull it off.

Sadly was still at work when reading the notes.

universal_wrath

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

Artorias24

Gilvoth wrote: »

this is a perfect example of why the combat system in eso is so Horrible.
the fact that we have to glitch the system \ create methods that are not intended in order to be competitive in combat is now and has been destroying eso now since beta 7 years ago and still going today.
i pray that microsoft fixes this type of thing for good so that every one has a chance to play the game as intended instead of playing a game that is glitch dependent

So you think snipe has low damage and should be buffed? While it already Hits for 7k+?

Banana

Nightblades are already a pain in the ass

Zeromaz

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

Saying “more than double the damage” is incorrect. Its adding 21%.... so more than double the increase is accurate. Or more than double the increased damage

universal_wrath

Zeromaz wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

Saying “more than double the damage” is incorrect. Its adding 21%.... so more than double the increase is accurate. Or more than double the increased damage

That's what I meant, maybe the wording part is confusing, but you dif understand, right? Point blank damage bonus is 2.75× the damage bonus of long shot. I should probalby point out that long shot scale the further you go so you might get 1%-12% damage increase depending on the distace from your target, while point blank is straight up 33% increase to targets within 7m.

snipezor

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

So that you can have additional justification to nerf Snipe and/or the bow line for "overperforming." And then also later nerf the set, because reasons.

snipezor

Double post deleted.

casparian

katorga wrote: »

Point-Blank Snipe (Snipe)
2 – Adds 103 Weapon Damage (Perfected Only)
2 – Increases your damage done with Snipe by 33% against targets that are within 7 meters of you.

If I cast snipe, cast gap closer before snipe lands, and am within 7m at the point snipe impacts, will I get the 33% bonus?

The sad but likely answer is that ZOS doesn't know and hasn't tested it themselves.

universal_wrath

snipezor wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

So that you can have additional justification to nerf Snipe and/or the bow line for "overperforming." And then also later nerf the set, because reasons.

When did asked for nerf? I have clearly stated that the new set goes against bow passives that does not mean I'm asking for a nerf.

The new set will have little use in PvP becease of how snipe works (slow, and interuptable). Also, it will be strong in PvE, because I have seen snipe hit for 50k+ with long shot passive, imagine how much it will do with point blank set. I should probably point out that I habe a stamina sorcerer bow/bow build and aim fo us is my spammable, so this set actually very good for me; t is just that how it works is the problem for me. Bow passive require you to stay in atleast 22m away, but this set requires you to stay in about 7m from target. Do you see my point?

snipezor

universal_wrath wrote: »

snipezor wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

So that you can have additional justification to nerf Snipe and/or the bow line for "overperforming." And then also later nerf the set, because reasons.

When did asked for nerf? I have clearly stated that the new set goes against bow passives that does not mean I'm asking for a nerf.

I was using "you" as meaning "one." Or, more precisely, ZOS. I wasn't referring to you specifically, as you don't have the ability to implement nerfs.

Unless you do. In which case, mind having a look at a couple things for me?

Zeromaz

universal_wrath wrote: »

Zeromaz wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

Saying “more than double the damage” is incorrect. Its adding 21%.... so more than double the increase is accurate. Or more than double the increased damage

That's what I meant, maybe the wording part is confusing, but you dif understand, right? Point blank damage bonus is 2.75× the damage bonus of long shot. I should probalby point out that long shot scale the further you go so you might get 1%-12% damage increase depending on the distace from your target, while point blank is straight up 33% increase to targets within 7m.

I did understand what you meant. I just wanted to point it out because i feel many people will fail to decipher exactly what you were saying. No worries bud.

MudcrabAttack

universal_wrath wrote: »

Thus set is joke, only nightblades can pull this stuff. Snipe is easily interuptable, and punishing when used in melee range. Nightblade is probably the only class that can use it without problems because of stealth in PvP. Maybe this will break meta in PvE? Because snipe does a high damage and usually gets buffed by long shot(12% more when hit range targets) 33% is more than double the damage of long shot on melee. Why would you undermibe a key passive of the bow skill line, and with one of the hardest hitting abilities in the game?

It wouldn't be as big of a deal in PVE, all those multipliers are additive to each other before multiplying out. It comes out to less than 20% buff when it gets watered down by master at arm's, mighty, hawk eye, berserk and slayer.

In no CP PVP it's basically a 33% buff for a ganker standing in melee range