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Won't need healers next patch?

Starlight_Whisper
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Have you seen new set that...that heals for percent of damage ... also makes sure healers can't heal you?
  • Nairinhe
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    With my DPS my HPS gonna be pathetic. Heal me, someone, pls :#
  • Vevvev
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    I have not seen it but... Is it a magicka set or a stamina set? If it's magicka I might test it out on my experimental vampire build.
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  • Edaphon
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    I have not seen it but... Is it a magicka set or a stamina set? If it's magicka I might test it out on my experimental vampire build.

    It's a mythic item:
    zpeeUGa.png
  • Vevvev
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    Oh... Oh this will be very interesting indeed.
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  • Gundug
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    I don’t see anyone in an organized PVE group using this set. It doesn’t boost your damage at all, and that’s pretty much all group DPS care about. Solo players in PVE and PVP probably could make good use of it though.
  • UntilValhalla13
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    I guess it could be a thing for solo people? Maybe? I see no point in running it.
  • seecodenotgames
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    I'm going to try it on my lvl4 vampire
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  • silvereyes
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    You still need healers. There are plenty of mechanics that damage players and there is nothing for DDs to damage.
  • Red_Feather
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    I think in pve stuff like dungeons and trials the item won't see much use.

    In pvp I think it'll turn ults like ballista into emergency heals.
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    Yeah I was wrong. Thanks all for explaining
  • Vevvev
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    Real question though is does that damage done apply to proc sets? If it does there might be some interesting combinations one can make for PVP and solo PVE builds.
    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • Dragonredux
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    So this is basically Surge without the crit requirement.
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Real question though is does that damage done apply to proc sets? If it does there might be some interesting combinations one can make for PVP and solo PVE builds.

    Tooltip is same as Scion which does work with any damage. So, this relic should work too, literally giving you scion effect.
  • Sephyr
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Real question though is does that damage done apply to proc sets? If it does there might be some interesting combinations one can make for PVP and solo PVE builds.

    I was wondering this as well. I'm not all too sure either. Something to test Monday I guess.
  • redspecter23
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    Have you seen new set that...that heals for percent of damage ... also makes sure healers can't heal you?

    If healers are only around for healing, you likely aren't needed currently either.

    Healers can heal, but also buff and debuff and that's the main reason they can be so desirable. Players have been able to heal themselves for a while now. This ring doesn't change that much, though it may make it a bit easier on some classes. In trial situations, if someone uses this ring and gives up the ability to heal from other sources, it may end up being a huge mistake. I don't think their self heals would compare. However, it will shine in solo content and perhaps some dungeons.
    Edited by redspecter23 on September 19, 2020 9:20PM
  • TineaCruris
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    Wow. So much for any attempts at balancing. :(
  • Pauwer
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    I see no use for that item, sorry. Both stam and mag have better healing skills. Yeah you have to press a button to use them but i can manage that.
  • ShadowHvo
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    Lowkey, this should be vampire exclusive, and the % of health return should depend on stage.

    Stage 1: 5%
    Stage 2: 10%
    Stage 3: 15%
    Stage 4: 20%
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  • Austinseph1
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    Its going to be an incredibly strong solo set, solo arenas, grinding, etc. Not everything needs to be good in a trial to be a great piece of gear. I will definitely be using it in the new arena.
  • Deathlord92
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    Edaphon wrote: »
    Vevvev wrote: »
    I have not seen it but... Is it a magicka set or a stamina set? If it's magicka I might test it out on my experimental vampire build.

    It's a mythic item:
    zpeeUGa.png
    As a solo player that ring does look very nice
  • ccfeeling
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    Lol, no healers? Good luck
  • actosh
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    ccfeeling wrote: »
    Lol, no healers? Good luck

    Still gonna need Healer´s.

    Thats a solo players item. PvP or PvE doesnt matter.

  • CaffeinatedMayhem
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    No one seems to see the obvious PvP abuse... Nightblades. Swallow Soul is an incredibly powerful damage/heal on a magblade... and now it's 15% stronger. And the best class for vampire is... magblade.

    So in addition to having a spammable stun, a strong spammable damage/heal, and cloak (get out of ALL damage, almost free!)... now their healing is 15% greater. At the cost of Malacath.

    And here I was happy that my solo Wardens could finally stop wasting resources on heals.
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    No one seems to see the obvious PvP abuse... Nightblades. Swallow Soul is an incredibly powerful damage/heal on a magblade... and now it's 15% stronger. And the best class for vampire is... magblade.

    So in addition to having a spammable stun, a strong spammable damage/heal, and cloak (get out of ALL damage, almost free!)... now their healing is 15% greater. At the cost of Malacath.

    And here I was happy that my solo Wardens could finally stop wasting resources on heals.

    there is nothing abusive about it.... Magblade brawlers have been neutered as of late, and this item seems to enable non shadowy disguise magblades into at the very least functional. Being vamp still has its draw backs.

    Its nice to see a Mythic item that magblades would actually want to equip finally.
  • JayKwellen
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    No one seems to see the obvious PvP abuse... Nightblades. Swallow Soul is an incredibly powerful damage/heal on a magblade... and now it's 15% stronger. And the best class for vampire is... magblade.

    So in addition to having a spammable stun, a strong spammable damage/heal, and cloak (get out of ALL damage, almost free!)... now their healing is 15% greater. At the cost of Malacath.

    And here I was happy that my solo Wardens could finally stop wasting resources on heals.

    Ah yes, the 9-10k tool tip on the slow, dodgeable, projectile swallow soul and 800-900 heal over time, on the only class without access to either a burst heal or direct class heal, is incredibly powerful.
    Edited by JayKwellen on September 20, 2020 3:52AM
  • Astrid
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    Solo PvP this is gonna be real real nice. Especially if the changes to cyro with no healing except from people you’re grouped with go through. It’ll encourage solo play even more.

    PvE lol no.
  • Jeirno
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    Pauwer wrote: »
    I see no use for that item, sorry. Both stam and mag have better healing skills. Yeah you have to press a button to use them but i can manage that.

    Well the better you are at the game, the better the ring is going to be, when your dps is lets say 50k that equals to a amount of 7.5k healing per second If I'm not a complete potato with maths. I don't thin there is anything that ticks so fast on DDs, shields in only comparable but that then would require you to first cast it, and 2nd its takes a skill slot on your bar. With the ring you can put that 1 extra dmg skill or buff on your bar which results even in more dmg so more HPS!
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    Jeirno wrote: »
    Pauwer wrote: »
    I see no use for that item, sorry. Both stam and mag have better healing skills. Yeah you have to press a button to use them but i can manage that.

    Well the better you are at the game, the better the ring is going to be, when your dps is lets say 50k that equals to a amount of 7.5k healing per second If I'm not a complete potato with maths. I don't thin there is anything that ticks so fast on DDs, shields in only comparable but that then would require you to first cast it, and 2nd its takes a skill slot on your bar. With the ring you can put that 1 extra dmg skill or buff on your bar which results even in more dmg so more HPS!

    People only do 50k dps when they don't have agro, i.e in a group. If you're solo pve or in pvp your dps will be more like 2k -25k dps. Also mythic items are not free to wear; they take the place of something else, like a 5 piece bonus or monster set. So if you're a dd then wearing this ring will lower your dps, which will make it unpopular in groups.
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  • jaws343
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    Jeirno wrote: »
    Pauwer wrote: »
    I see no use for that item, sorry. Both stam and mag have better healing skills. Yeah you have to press a button to use them but i can manage that.

    Well the better you are at the game, the better the ring is going to be, when your dps is lets say 50k that equals to a amount of 7.5k healing per second If I'm not a complete potato with maths. I don't thin there is anything that ticks so fast on DDs, shields in only comparable but that then would require you to first cast it, and 2nd its takes a skill slot on your bar. With the ring you can put that 1 extra dmg skill or buff on your bar which results even in more dmg so more HPS!

    People only do 50k dps when they don't have agro, i.e in a group. If you're solo pve or in pvp your dps will be more like 2k -25k dps. Also mythic items are not free to wear; they take the place of something else, like a 5 piece bonus or monster set. So if you're a dd then wearing this ring will lower your dps, which will make it unpopular in groups.

    As a solo pve player, you can get 1.5k health every time you hit your 10k spammable. That is what my spammable is at without buffs up. That is pretty powerful. I already think I am dropping my monster set and running this. Paired with surge on my sorc, this will make me nearly invincible. And it will be great for solo pvp too. Passive healing while you are on the offensive. Could free up a slot by removing radiating regen on mag. Or even stack with it to gain more healing.
  • FriedEggSandwich
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    jaws343 wrote: »
    Jeirno wrote: »
    Pauwer wrote: »
    I see no use for that item, sorry. Both stam and mag have better healing skills. Yeah you have to press a button to use them but i can manage that.

    Well the better you are at the game, the better the ring is going to be, when your dps is lets say 50k that equals to a amount of 7.5k healing per second If I'm not a complete potato with maths. I don't thin there is anything that ticks so fast on DDs, shields in only comparable but that then would require you to first cast it, and 2nd its takes a skill slot on your bar. With the ring you can put that 1 extra dmg skill or buff on your bar which results even in more dmg so more HPS!

    People only do 50k dps when they don't have agro, i.e in a group. If you're solo pve or in pvp your dps will be more like 2k -25k dps. Also mythic items are not free to wear; they take the place of something else, like a 5 piece bonus or monster set. So if you're a dd then wearing this ring will lower your dps, which will make it unpopular in groups.

    As a solo pve player, you can get 1.5k health every time you hit your 10k spammable. That is what my spammable is at without buffs up. That is pretty powerful. I already think I am dropping my monster set and running this. Paired with surge on my sorc, this will make me nearly invincible. And it will be great for solo pvp too. Passive healing while you are on the offensive. Could free up a slot by removing radiating regen on mag. Or even stack with it to gain more healing.

    I agree this will be good for solo players. That wasn't the point I was replying to though.
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