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Unlocked Ravenwatch/Non-CP
PhoniDunedain
Soul Shriven
Any word from the dev's when we'll see Ravenwatch return to being a locked campaign?
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PhoniDunedainSoul Shrivenedges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.7 -
finehair✭✭✭✭Idk why people who like noncp campaign without faction lock is so against to another campaign which is also nocp but locked.
You get what you want, we get what we want. Easy.5 -
Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Idk why people who like noncp campaign without faction lock is so against to another campaign which is also nocp but locked.
You get what you want, we get what we want. Easy.
Yeah, having 2 no CP campaigns, one with lock and one without would be the best option. Then we all can choose the one we prefer.4 -
Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoniDunedain wrote: »edges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.
That's a straight lie. Campaign was a lot more onesided during locked times and daily scroll trolling was a thing back then too. But let me guess, you are AD and upset that your faction can't PvDoor in peace every morning, then sit on the scrolls/emp uncontested for hours?0 -
PhoniDunedainSoul ShrivenPhoniDunedain wrote: »edges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.
That's a straight lie. Campaign was a lot more onesided during locked times and daily scroll trolling was a thing back then too. But let me guess, you are AD and upset that your faction can't PvDoor in peace every morning, then sit on the scrolls/emp uncontested for hours?
No I'm Pact.
And you're joking right? Cyro wasn't perfect but it wasn't as erratic as it is now - Pact won last months campaign and now we're stuck in 3rd place, that is a dramatic shift wouldnt you say?
I never saw troll scrolling until the campaigns were unlocked.
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Rianai✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoniDunedain wrote: »PhoniDunedain wrote: »edges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.
That's a straight lie. Campaign was a lot more onesided during locked times and daily scroll trolling was a thing back then too. But let me guess, you are AD and upset that your faction can't PvDoor in peace every morning, then sit on the scrolls/emp uncontested for hours?
No I'm Pact.
And you're joking right? Cyro wasn't perfect but it wasn't as erratic as it is now - Pact won last months campaign and now we're stuck in 3rd place, that is a dramatic shift wouldnt you say?
I never saw troll scrolling until the campaigns were unlocked.
Having always the same winner is the opposite of balance, no? Last campaign had like 1k score difference between first and last, that' was one of the closest i have ever seen. And while this month seems a bit more onesided again, it isn't nearly as bad as those 15-20k differences we saw during locked times (and even then it wasn't always the same faction that won). And it is not just the score that is closer now - just compare population of noCP and locked CP and you will see the latter with a much bigger population imbalance a lot of the time.
Balance will never be perfect and there is always a lot of PvDooring going on, but those one-coloured maps tend to last shorter than while there were locks. If there would be really that much players who swap to the dominating side, the opposite would happen.1 -
PhoniDunedainSoul ShrivenPhoniDunedain wrote: »PhoniDunedain wrote: »edges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.
That's a straight lie. Campaign was a lot more onesided during locked times and daily scroll trolling was a thing back then too. But let me guess, you are AD and upset that your faction can't PvDoor in peace every morning, then sit on the scrolls/emp uncontested for hours?
No I'm Pact.
And you're joking right? Cyro wasn't perfect but it wasn't as erratic as it is now - Pact won last months campaign and now we're stuck in 3rd place, that is a dramatic shift wouldnt you say?
I never saw troll scrolling until the campaigns were unlocked.
Having always the same winner is the opposite of balance, no? Last campaign had like 1k score difference between first and last, that' was one of the closest i have ever seen. And while this month seems a bit more onesided again, it isn't nearly as bad as those 15-20k differences we saw during locked times (and even then it wasn't always the same faction that won). And it is not just the score that is closer now - just compare population of noCP and locked CP and you will see the latter with a much bigger population imbalance a lot of the time.
Balance will never be perfect and there is always a lot of PvDooring going on, but those one-coloured maps tend to last shorter than while there were locks. If there would be really that much players who swap to the dominating side, the opposite would happen.
Its about consistency. There no motivation to improve or develop if you can just wait for more organised players to suddenly decide they want to play on your alliance.
Things only go well for a particular alliance if certain players decide that is the alliance they want to play.0 -
laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭then i would advise you to get more consistent yourself. dont rely on other organised groups, nothing is stopping you from starting one aswell
its a 2 sided coin. some people change to a zerging faction to zerg, some change to a less populated faction cos they dont want to zerg.
scroll trolling and "spying" happens on both locked and unlocked campaigns, and its not rly harder on locked.
ball groups will farm ap on both. nitghcappers will nightcap on both, and whiners will whine in forum about everything they dont like anyway.
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laksikus✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoniDunedain wrote: »PhoniDunedain wrote: »edges_endgame wrote: »
It's killed PC EU. Every day one alliance snowballs over the overs because players flock to the winning side out of a desire for easy AP.
The outcomes of campaigns aren't dictated by the will of an alliance guild or even a group of randoms, but often come across as being decided well in advance. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if there are people still out paying for Emp runs.
We even have a particular group of players on EU Ravenwatch which are infamous for trolling scroll runs on a daily basis, not by killing the carrier and the group defending them but by logging onto the alliance that is about to take it then running around with it.
That's a straight lie. Campaign was a lot more onesided during locked times and daily scroll trolling was a thing back then too. But let me guess, you are AD and upset that your faction can't PvDoor in peace every morning, then sit on the scrolls/emp uncontested for hours?
No I'm Pact.
And you're joking right? Cyro wasn't perfect but it wasn't as erratic as it is now - Pact won last months campaign and now we're stuck in 3rd place, that is a dramatic shift wouldnt you say?
I never saw troll scrolling until the campaigns were unlocked.
if pact won last month, and are last one, that wouldnt change with locked camps. cos people can switch faction after every campaign ends.
and i saw, and did scroll trolls myself during campaign locks.1 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I really am opposed to the whole faction lock thing. Never heard anyone but fanatic zerg leaders (who take the game wayyyy too seriously) complaining about it.
It really screws over people with a lot of friends - can't play with most of them. I guess it's good I don't have any.1 -
PhoniDunedainSoul Shriventhen i would advise you to get more consistent yourself. dont rely on other organised groups, nothing is stopping you from starting one aswell
its a 2 sided coin. some people change to a zerging faction to zerg, some change to a less populated faction cos they dont want to zerg.
scroll trolling and "spying" happens on both locked and unlocked campaigns, and its not rly harder on locked.
ball groups will farm ap on both. nitghcappers will nightcap on both, and whiners will whine in forum about everything they dont like anyway.
You can't really compete with organised groups, you need motivated individuals who are willing to set aside a dozen or so hours getting frustrated over a videogame in order to get to a level where they can compete.
Alliances that zerg in Cyro don't generally start out that way in an unlocked campaign, its usually 1 or 2 groups of competent individuals who are making strides and that in turn motivates people to join that alliance for easy AP (hence the snowball reference). So what you end up with is both organised groups and zergs running around overwhelming the map.
As I said earlier I haven't seen scroll trolling occur before the non-cp was unlocked, and even if it did happen then its almost certainly easier to achieve now than it was before.
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PhoniDunedainSoul ShrivenEctheliontnacil wrote: »I really am opposed to the whole faction lock thing. Never heard anyone but fanatic zerg leaders (who take the game wayyyy too seriously) complaining about it.
It really screws over people with a lot of friends - can't play with most of them. I guess it's good I don't have any.
I've seen people complain about the faction lock both ingame and on social media. I was told the idea to unlock the campaigns originated in the forums, so it's anyone's guess really how popular the decision actually was.
I don't see how it screws with friends when you can either make multiple characters in any alliance and/or now change your alliance in exchange for crowns.1 -
Ormtunge✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »I really am opposed to the whole faction lock thing. Never heard anyone but fanatic zerg leaders (who take the game wayyyy too seriously) complaining about it.
It really screws over people with a lot of friends - can't play with most of them. I guess it's good I don't have any.
Well, it seems to me that people only want to decide for themselves if they want faction lock or not. And if we look at CP-Cyrodill, the facton locked one is far more popular than the non-locked one. 3 -
E-Zekiel✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »I really am opposed to the whole faction lock thing. Never heard anyone but fanatic zerg leaders (who take the game wayyyy too seriously) complaining about it.
It really screws over people with a lot of friends - can't play with most of them. I guess it's good I don't have any.
I used to feel the same way. For years and year and years, I felt that way. From 2014-2020 I felt that way.
I saw something last month that broke me.
I was playing Pact and we held the least amount of territory at this particular moment in time. DC was attacking Chalman (our only center keep at this time) and AD was attacking Arrius.
Then we got the Volendrung warning. To our relief...it appeared in our territory.
Someone on EP went to the hammer and grabbed it....and ran counter clockwise around Cyrodiil, leading the faction on a wild goose chase. He did not capture any forts. He would go up to a keep, knock down the front door (outer front door) to make it look committed... and then immediately leave. Because he had the hammer, most of the faction was following him.
We lost Chalman. We lost Arrius. We lost Kingscrest. We lost Farragut. We lost our scrolls. We then proceeded to get gated for an hour or two.
This person's counterclockwise trek around Cyrodiil ended with him taking the hammer down to AD and dying, then talking in zone chat about how he loved AD and all his friends are on AD and bragged about giving them the hammer. This is one of the things that prolonged the gating. Any effort to push out to our home keeps was wrecked pretty quickly.
This was probably the single most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming.
It broke me. I resigned the campaign and swapped to Gray Host that same night. Again, this is after not being on board with faction locks for like 6 years.Edited by E-Zekiel on August 5, 2020 12:06AM4 -
finehair✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »I really am opposed to the whole faction lock thing. Never heard anyone but fanatic zerg leaders (who take the game wayyyy too seriously) complaining about it.
It really screws over people with a lot of friends - can't play with most of them. I guess it's good I don't have any.
I used to feel the same way. For years and year and years, I felt that way. From 2014-2020 I felt that way.
I saw something last month that broke me.
I was playing Pact and we held the least amount of territory at this particular moment in time. DC was attacking Chalman (our only center keep at this time) and AD was attacking Arrius.
Then we got the Volendrung warning. To our relief...it appeared in our territory.
Someone on EP went to the hammer and grabbed it....and ran counter clockwise around Cyrodiil, leading the faction on a wild goose chase. He did not capture any forts. He would go up to a keep, knock down the front door (outer front door) to make it look committed... and then immediately leave. Because he had the hammer, most of the faction was following him.
We lost Chalman. We lost Arrius. We lost Kingscrest. We lost Farragut. We lost our scrolls. We then proceeded to get gated for an hour or two.
This person's counterclockwise trek around Cyrodiil ended with him taking the hammer down to AD and dying, then talking in zone chat about how he loved AD and all his friends are on AD and bragged about giving them the hammer. This is one of the things that prolonged the gating. Any effort to push out to our home keeps was wrecked pretty quickly.
This was probably the single most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming.
It broke me. I resigned the campaign and swapped to Gray Host that same night. Again, this is after not being on board with faction locks for like 6 years.
Saw it happen yesterday on NoCP EU as well. Blues had emp and red scrolls (reds only had arrius, kings, farra) and were sieging faregyl for our scrolls. Hammer spawned, I checked around ad base wasn't there. Then some red player found it on the shrine near kingscrest. Afterwards he immidietaly run for the winter's peak milegate, died to some blues there and hammer switched to blue. Blues took kings and arrius then starting hammering spree on ad side
People get salty when we ask for a locked noncp because they know that they won't be able to find players to troll in their filthy nonlock campaign ;D2 -
Palidon✭✭✭✭✭
✭Want a locked PvP campaign then move to the full CP campaign. There is nothing that says you have to stay in the No Cp campaign.0 -
PhoniDunedainSoul ShrivenWant a locked PvP campaign then move to the full CP campaign. There is nothing that says you have to stay in the No Cp campaign.
What's the issue with having a locked non-cp campaign too? I mean they unlocked the campaign to gives players more choice? But having the choice of a locked non-cp campaign is too much?2 -
Tammany✭✭✭✭
Same story for me.This was probably the single most unsportsmanlike thing I have ever seen in 30 years of gaming.
It broke me. I resigned the campaign and swapped to Gray Host that same night. Again, this is after not being on board with faction locks for like 6 years.
There is a DC guy on non locked No CP Ravenwatch who constantly runs cancerous ballgroups no1 likes (even his faction), because that is nothing but scroll or keep trolloing.
Sometimes he is not able to make his group, so what he does ? He joins AD on his AD toon aaaand... And spamming meatbags on every serious keep we tried to assault, literally limiting space and siege numbers. Defence ? You will see some useless sieges on the key points not able to defend properly. Or trades hammer on purpose, or breaks alessia bridge when we capped sejanius and advancing. That was the last point for me to play on that non locked trolling swamp.
Edited by Tammany on August 5, 2020 3:09PM1 -
AMeanOne✭✭✭✭✭PhoniDunedain wrote: »Want a locked PvP campaign then move to the full CP campaign. There is nothing that says you have to stay in the No Cp campaign.
What's the issue with having a locked non-cp campaign too? I mean they unlocked the campaign to gives players more choice? But having the choice of a locked non-cp campaign is too much?
There are too few no cp players to split them up like cp. If you want faction locks just play gray host.0 -
PhoniDunedainSoul ShrivenPhoniDunedain wrote: »Want a locked PvP campaign then move to the full CP campaign. There is nothing that says you have to stay in the No Cp campaign.
What's the issue with having a locked non-cp campaign too? I mean they unlocked the campaign to gives players more choice? But having the choice of a locked non-cp campaign is too much?
There are too few no cp players to split them up like cp. If you want faction locks just play gray host.
I doubt that. Non-CP gets clogged during prime time0
