Hope 2021 theme and chapter will be PVP focused

Danel_Vadan · July 17

PvP chapter followed by game closure due to massive revenue loss.

Urvoth · July 17

Smallest port

ATomiX69 wrote: »

Since the majority of the big spender community are PvE-Frogs and Crown Crate Enthusiasts, there is about a 0% chance we get something thats related with PvP or any bigger gameplay changes, for me it feels like the game is the same since one tamriel.
Maybe theyll throw some new BG map or an unfun objective-based gamemode at us in the next 2 years, who knows.

What about the PvPers that buy hundreds of Crown Crates?

Urvoth · July 17

Danel_Vadan wrote: »

PvP chapter followed by game closure due to massive revenue loss.

Congrats on your baseless assumption

The_Drop_Bear · July 18

Urvoth wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

no more pvp please and thank you.
the taint of pvp severely affects pve.
pvp shouldnt even be in this game at all.
pvp in this game would be ok if only letting it be a tacked-on afterthought and NEVER the reason for any balancing and nerfs.
elder scrolls is supposed to be a pve paradise!!!
pvp is why we pve cant have nice things.

Uhh no, that's just straight up false. PvE was originally added as an afterthought if anything, and PvP changes rarely actually have a real impact on PvE since the skills/sets used in PvE are different.

The game is literally mostly PvE, how is it an afterthought, it's impossible to play the game without doing a little bit of PvE, it's very much possible to never touch PvP

Gythral · July 18

Dont think it is likely, given that they ended up giving the last PvP additions away, it appears not to be a good ROI!

mustangmorgan31 · July 18

Unless they drastically improve performance in a PVP setting, they will not add a PVP DLC because it will just put more focus on how horrible the performance is for the majority of us that PVP.

craybest · July 18

I really hope not! It would be awful.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · July 18

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

If they want to loose most of the population the can place it as chapter

Maybe take the place of a dungeon pack wiuld be a better move?

Pvp isnt the focus anymore because its simply isnt as popular as pve

Minyassa · July 18

Nairinhe wrote: »

PVP chaper? Questers and crafters are gonna get hysterical

Are you kidding? That's a chapter I wouldn't feel obligated to spend 40 bucks on! I welcome the break, after a couple of years of must-have chapters.

Sarannah · July 18

They gave away the last PvP DLC for free(imperial city), and still basically noone plays it. So making a year long dedicated to PvP would be a HUGE mistake. Barely anyone PvP's.

SshadowSscale · July 18

Honestly all I could really hope for is that either q1 or q3 (dungeon updates) gets replaced next year with an update to pvp and with that I mean a new bg mode and or map a rework to bg mmr system and an actual leader board that gives deceng rewards alongside some more uniqe rewards that you can get via bgs.... For cyrodil a bit of a map update.... Also update the keeps so that the current usseless keeps can be worth holding on to... Nerf the hammer and don't allow emo faction to pick it up adf more unique score stuff like thr scrolls for example and more unique rewards for pvp that can be obtained via achievments or bought with ap.... Hell give us a unique skin and or mount for grandwarlord for example.....update rewards of the worthy to be worthy of getting and update campaign rewards so factions can matter again... For ic add new stuff to be bought with telvar be it skins pets motifs polymorophs etc.... Update the existing ic armor so that they can be competitive outside of ic(but not necasarily best in slot) and give each ic set a unique aditional effect inside ic to encourage the use of ic sets in ic... Maybe add some new sets to... Update the sewers with a uniwue telvar gain buff that can be obtained once every 30 or minutes and add new rewards in sewers chest etcm.. Give molag bal some new drops and increase his telvar drop.... And maybe add a new alchemy plant that only rarly grows in ic and can be bought for 5k telvar or so.... Also add a pve player detecter so they can be smited in pvp zones so I do not have to listen to them complain about pvp existing in eso when I am doing pvp....please.....

alanmatillab16_ESO · July 18

Aptonoth wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

less then 0.03% of the player base pvp's. Lol nope.

I am no fan of pvp in this game so im not bashing you because you are not pro-pvp but care to back up that claim with some sort of citation?

PvP is a snall part of ESO but I doubt it is that small.

The_Lex · July 18

Never going to happen.

1) performance can't handle normal levels of PvP, much less something focused on PvP,

2) PvE-only players will lose their [snip] - happens every time someone even mentions the phrase, Midyear Mayhem, and

3) casuals, RPers, flower-pickers, and butterfly -chasers spend the most money, so there's zero incentive do anything PvP related.

[Edited to remove Profanity]

Pauls · July 18

Chapter with open pvp where you can attack everyone who took a step away from safe zone

xXMeowMeowXx · July 18

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

Yessss!! To make sure performance works, we will all be naked and using fist love OwO

Tommy_The_Gun · July 18

Pauls wrote: »

Chapter with open pvp where you can attack everyone who took a step away from safe zone

...would be toxic af...

If this concept of mixed PvP & PvE was successful, we would have more of it at this point. But IC proved that this concept was faulty & it was not well received by the majority of player base.

Thannazzar · July 18

I'm struggling to be enthused at the thought of an Imperial Chapter, one also dedicated or largely focused on PVP will mean I definitely wont be forking out money for it.

Ravensilver · July 18

Good. Make a PvP chapter - it will save me lots of money, since there's noway, nohow that I will do PvP. Ever.

ShawnLaRock · July 18

It will be in a PVP zone... but won't be PVP focused.

S.

itscompton · July 18

The_Drop_Bear wrote: »

Unlikely, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't put much money into PvP because only a small % of the games players do it frequently enough

If they invested to the point that performance was fixed so the game ran the way it's supposed to the PvP population would explode. For the first couple of years after the game first came out on PS4 there were multiple pop capped campaigns filled daily and those campaigns had higher caps.
But the steady decline in performance frustrated many competitive PvP players so they moved on to other games leaving behind few players from those early days. And now it's just nearly unplayable much of the time so retention is terrible for those new players who do try it.

BuildMan · July 18

I'd be pretty happy if they gave me another form of PvP. There's always a ton of PvE that gets added, PvP deserve a little too.

idk · July 18

With the state of PvP in this game, I think it would be huge mistake adding more PvP. The game does not have the PvP focused player base to make working on such things worth the effort. Heck, Zos tried to monetize PvP with BGs but in the end, they had to make that part of the base game because of lack of interest in actually paying for it.

I think Zos needs to focus on getting Cyrodiil working properly and fix the issues with BG queueing and the exploiting going on in some of the matches. If they get that done and if that draws PvP players into the game then it may be wise for Zos to try to add more PvP and monetize it. Until then I think it would be a waste of time and money. Just my opinion.

Edit: Adding that it will likely never happen that an entire year will be PvP focused. I see no reason why Zos would even consider it for a moment considering how small the PvP population has been in the game for several years now.

Elsonso · July 18

itscompton wrote: »

The_Drop_Bear wrote: »

Unlikely, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't put much money into PvP because only a small % of the games players do it frequently enough

If they invested to the point that performance was fixed so the game ran the way it's supposed to the PvP population would explode. For the first couple of years after the game first came out on PS4 there were multiple pop capped campaigns filled daily and those campaigns had higher caps.
But the steady decline in performance frustrated many competitive PvP players so they moved on to other games leaving behind few players from those early days. And now it's just nearly unplayable much of the time so retention is terrible for those new players who do try it.

I am fairly certain that the "way it supposed to run" is not such that it would support "competitive PVP". They might be able to do enough performance work to satisfy the less picky among the PVP crowd, but there will always be complaints about PVP performance. I do not think that is a battle they can win.

Sure, some will be happy, but then, I am also fairly sure that there are people playing PVP today that are not really complaining, even though performance is terrible.

Anyway, I think it comes down to core server and game design. If their game was designed for high performance PVP, there would be no performance problems today. It seems clear to me that it is not designed that way. They certainly look to have software and architectural issues that keep them from that level of performance.

ESO is a "hobby" game, from a performance perspective. That is much more acceptable to a PVE community than it is a PVP community.

Kavar162 · July 18

It might be a southern Cyrodiil chapter with a new PvP+PvE zone in 4th quarter dlc? That would be awesome.

FlopsyPrince · July 19

Elsonso wrote: »

Eventually, I figure that they will do one. For a lot of players, probably the most boring year ever, but then that has been the case for PVP players for a long time. Wonder which group provides more revenue.

Getting ganked to reach game goals is so much fun, but only for the gankers, not most players.

Env_t · July 19

or if they will turn Cyrodiil into PVE zone, and add another PVP zone

all will be happy

Major_Lag · July 19

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Eventually, I figure that they will do one. For a lot of players, probably the most boring year ever, but then that has been the case for PVP players for a long time. Wonder which group provides more revenue.

Getting ganked to reach game goals is so much fun, but only for the gankers, not most players.

Don't forget about such shining examples of good sportmanship like ganking players while they are talking to a quest NPC, or camping the interiors of quest giver houses and placing large amounts of deadly AoE in there (including sieges!) to kill any unsuspecting players before they can even react.

For the record, both of those things happened on a regular basis during the last year's Anniversary Event, to name one example.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

Chapter with open pvp where you can attack everyone who took a step away from safe zone

...would be toxic af...

If this concept of mixed PvP & PvE was successful, we would have more of it at this point. But IC proved that this concept was faulty & it was not well received by the majority of player base.

Pretty much this.

History has proven, repeatedly, that such a "mixed PvE and PvP zone" aka "PvPvE zone" design simply does not work as a whole. Not only in ESO, but also in other MMOs.
This is especially true when the zone in question is mainly PvE oriented, with little or no PvP objectives (such as capturable flags, buildings, etc).

Even in those games where the open world PvP aspect is strictly on an opt-in basis (ie. by flagging yourself for open world PvP), that feature can be abused in various ways to grief the PvEers despite them not being flagged for PvP to begin with.

If a zone is meant to cater primarily to PvPers, then it should contain no or only insignificant PvE elements - Cyrodiil delves are a good example of this, as they serve no practical purpose beyond counting for map completion or for getting a temporary AP gain buff.

And, last but certainly not least, there's also the issue of the performance impact (yet again!) - this is already very noticeable in PvE zones where a lot of duelling happens, now imagine what would happen if there was additionally any large scale PvP occuring on top of that!

allup8679 · July 19

Hate to break it to you but as PVPer, they stopped caring about this part of the game years ago.

Lapin_Logic · July 20

Urvoth wrote: »

Danel_Vadan wrote: »

PvP chapter followed by game closure due to massive revenue loss.

Congrats on your baseless assumption

24 million PvE Toons screaming in unison "I Can't enjoy the Lore and my RP, my immersion is ruined, ZOS expects me to feed toxic PVPers for a year?" Etc etc you know it's not Baseless because you heard similar arguments from Midyear madness or from Cyrodiil "RP sessions" when they don't get to play castles anymore.

NikoTheBearKnight · July 20

I believe it's theme will focus on the dwemer, and will come with a new class either called dwarf or mechromancer and would have you using dwemer tools like spiders