Hope 2021 theme and chapter will be PVP focused

kargen27 · July 15

PvE survives on players repeating content and new content being provided. PvP survives through interactions of players with each other. More content spreads an already thin PvP population out even farther. More content would not be a good thing for long term PvP health in the game.
Maybe they could do something like a free for all instance of the battlegrounds? For the most part though they want to keep players who enjoy PvP mostly in the same location so there is plenty of enemies to fight.

Linaleah · July 15

highly highly doubt it. but if this will actualy will be a think, it would be the first time, I'm not going to buy a chapter on release or even post release. I may still subscribe because the rest of the game is still there, but otherwise. no thanks. I would be curious to see how well it would sell though.

Lapin_Logic · July 16

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

Because splitting the PVP community between IC and Cyro worked out so well the first time...

On top of that you have BG's, adding another campaign would be stupid over all, only hardcore griefers that want to camp a quest giver all day and bombblade or bowtard some carebares for a tiddly bit of AP would love it, Like Cropsford in Midyear madness but 24/7/365.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · July 16

It would be a PvE Cyrodiil zone because you know the Cyrodiil ingame is only half of the province.

The_Drop_Bear · July 16

Ratzkifal wrote: »

The_Drop_Bear wrote: »

Unlikely, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't put much money into PvP because only a small % of the games players do it frequently enough

If that is the reason then ZOS isn't really thinking straight.
The reason why only a small % of the players do it frequently enough (which I doubt btw) is because it has been neglected and consistently degraded in quality for years. People don't play PvP anymore because ZOS is not doing enough to improve it. Greymoor is the first time in five years that PvP actually got better than it was the previous patch and it didn't get better to a point when PvP was still good again, it only improved to a point where it wasn't as bad as the patch before.

They released some stats several years ago, barley anyone played PvP, or had even gotten an achievement for killing another player.
There is a reason why they gave IC away for free

redlink1979 · July 16

Colovia? Yes, please

DUTCH_REAPER · July 16

I'm a PvPer and I can see ZOS making cyro into a PVE zone and getting rid of pvp .../cry

Vanagrand · July 16

Aptonoth wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

less then 0.03% of the player base pvp's. Lol nope.

And that is known by the 41.75% of the popultation.

Karmanorway · July 16

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

I'm a PvPer and I can see ZOS making cyro into a PVE zone and getting rid of pvp .../cry

If this happens i know alot of ppl who is going to leave the game to never look back, me included.

Elwendryll · July 16

Well. To me "No one plays PvP so we should just abandon it" is a very bad argument. Why is the PvP population so small? Because the performance issues are terrible, among other things

I did a decent amount of PvP and I plan on getting very good at it, eventually reaching max rank, but I'm still main PvE, because the PvP performance is just too bad and turns me away.

At least they announced that they built a cross-discipline team to tackle the Cyrodiil performance issues. Is that in preparation for the next chapter? Maybe, maybe not. But I'm glad they're shifting gears to handle that issue.

karekiz · July 16

I highly doubt they will trade PvE for PvP. I could easily see them involving the three banner war though. Or follow some continuation of the story.

That doesn't mean PvP wouldn't get an update. I mean in theory they could rebuild Cyrodiil map/keeps <Other games have done stuff similar>.

Selling content is their #1 priority. Even BG's became Base Game and were begged to be added to it. It just isn't in their best interest to make it a purely PvP purchase. Splits communities and in the end is a worse experience for it.

Major_Lag · July 16

Vietfox wrote: »

We first need pvp to properly work.

^ this ^

Any new PvP content is bound to be a complete flop, unless ZOS can first fix most of the horrendous performance issues and bugs which currently plague PvP.

And in any case, I'd much rather have the existing PvP content restored to a playable state first, instead of having ZOS waste development time and resources on something that won't work anyway with the game in its current state.

Zatox · July 16

My wishlist PVP.
1) medium PVP zone with hard PVE world events (like dragons in Elsweyr). You win the other groups, so you earn a chance to get some cool reward from a strong monster. IC Bosses is not hard enough, and the reward is not good.
2) 1v1 and 4v4 battlegrounds with separate leaderboard: you lose points if you lose the match, you gain points otherwise.

Faulgor · July 16

There's no reason to believe they're going to change their formula at this point. It's going to be 2 dungeons, 1 chapter PvE zone with 2 public dungeons, 6 delves, world bosses, etc, then 2 more dungeons and a smaller PvE zone.

If they do anything to PvP, it will be part of the base game updates, almost guaranteed.

iGuavaTH · July 16

I wouldn't mind if they turned Cyrodiil into a pve zone and gave us a new map for pvp.

tomofhyrule · July 16

I can't see them doing a PvP DLC. Splitting the PvP population even further, and then gating some stuff behind a DLC, when a lot of PvPers are already talking about not buying the latest chapter or quitting? Doesn't sound like it'll work all that well.

Besides, the low PvP pop is not just because of performance. It's also got a lot to do with the fact that there are loads of casual Elder Scrolls fans who are here for the PvE. After all, look how many complaint threads we get whenever MYM rolls around or when they put leads in Cyrodiil. The major base is PvE, they buy the content right away, so they will be focused.

I wouldn't be opposed to them dropping the Q3 dungons DLC or something to do something PvP related, but that'd probably have to come as a basegame update (and imagine the complaint threads there!). But for a whole chapter? I doubt it.

However, I don't want this to end up giving us PvE Cyrodiil. I do only go into Cyro during MYM, but I don't agree that there should be a separate PVE instance. It'd be nice if people from other alliances would live and let live when they see me doing obvious PvE things like delves or story in IC, but c'est la vie.

Come to think of it: Why are the MYM tickets earned for doing PvE activities? I'd put them earnable only through stuff you have to do actual PvP for like Battlegrounds or capture quests, not scouting or IC dailies.

They still have the area north of Varen's wall in the Gold Coast (and there's a mysterious gate to nowhere there) and Colovia grounded by Skingrad, and that also includes Miscarcand for a great public/group dungeon. I could see that being relatively empty, or some legion group in Skingrad is trying to take over and reestablish the empire or something.

JBNimble · July 16

ZOS' wallet says no...

Maki2859 · July 17

There is the question of the low PvP player population it is true.

But about Colovian Estates, I would say that it is a region which was extracted from the war and is controlled by the Empire. It was said by the loremasters on the issues surrounding the situation there.
So there is no chance of PvP there.

FangOfTheTwoMoons · July 17

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I have to agree that ZOS is focused on making money at the current time. With the COVId situation happening, they need to bring in some serious bucks and PVP does not do that for them.

ZoS has plenty of money dont think otherwise.

Weesacs · July 17

PvP toggle option in all zones ... bring some challenges and danger (current enemies aren't much of a challenge lets be honest lol). Let's make the alliance war mean something out with Cyrodill ... bring it 😂👍💪

vingarmo · July 17

While I doubt ZOS actually going to dedicate dlc, let alone chapter to pvp, it would be nice to have at least new game mode/pvp map coming with it along the way. When was the last pvp update? More than 3 years ago with Morrowind? Of course, pvp population going to decline more and more because of total neglect from both lack of new content and performance issues. And while resolving the latter (even if it's even possible) might increase participation in Cyrodiil for a while it's 6 years old map that needs new content added (achievements, titles, new collectibbeles, etc.) or the population still continue to decline because like every other part of the game it losing it's replayability over time.
Still pretty funny that some endgame pvers think that pvp should be left forgotten. The main moneymakers in this game are housing and overland. I don’t see a lot of people running dlc dungeons as well and considering how rarely I saw people gathering for new trial might as well just scrap that content for the future and drop all OP gear in overland since apparently that's the only reason a lot of players run trials anyway.
All content needs updates, not just what brings more cash.

stybbe17b16_ESO · July 17

PVP bring many new players. My friends and I started playing this game just because there was a lot of talk about eso had better pvp than others mmorpg. I will not even try FF14 because the rumors say it has awful pvp.

Right now the word around the block is that ESO pvp is *** because performance and no love from the devs. So I would say a pvp and performance focused chapter should be their top priority.

Questing, story and exploring is already overwhelming and doesn't need more attention.

roflcopter · July 17

Aptonoth wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

and looks like so! according to dataminers
last PVP DCL was in 2015

ITS BOUT TIME

less then 0.03% of the player base pvp's. Lol nope.

Even if it is .03% of the player base, the only thing that matters is how much $ they bring in. We know the most hardcore pvpers are some of the more wealthy players in the game buying and selling gold jewelry for eso bucks.

I would love to see how much $ in crowns are made from PVPers (this would also includes crown items gifted to them via eso buck trades).

Tommy_The_Gun · July 17

Nice, but... what is the point if PvP in general does not work 90% of the time ? Skill delays, skill not working, bar swap not working, health de-syncs...

Until Cyro works as it did back in 2014 - 2015, any new PvP content will be automatically worst content...

Besides, I think that ZOS makes most of its cash from ehm.. "casuals" (sorry for using that term). You know, housing, RP, overland, questers, explorers etc. End game players (both PvP & PvE) are unfortunately the minority. So I don't see how ZOS will go all of the sudden for a "Year long story" and all new zones will be PvP zones. That would be bad & toxic af. At best, we can get some PvP content instead of DLC dungeon, or in form of PvP Arena (separate instance in PvE zone).

roflcopter · July 17

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Nice, but... what is the point if PvP in general does not work 90% of the time ? Skill delays, skill not working, bar swap not working, health de-syncs...

Until Cyro works as it did back in 2014 - 2015, any new PvP content will be automatically worst content...

Besides, I think that ZOS makes most of its cash from ehm.. "casuals" (sorry for using that term). You know, housing, RP, overland, questers, explorers etc. End game players (both PvP & PvE) are unfortunately the minority. So I don't see how ZOS will go all of the sudden for a "Year long story" and all new zones will be PvP zones. That would be bad & toxic af. At best, we can get some PvP content instead of DLC dungeon, or in form of PvP Arena (separate instance in PvE zone).

Those race / alliance change tokens are PRETTY expensive. Also skill lines, skyshards. All adds up.

Oh and the mounts and corwn crates, cuz you gotta look lit af riding them lambo mounts in the only area you really get to showcase those apex.

Personal note here, most of the PVPers I know buy the above or get change tokens (and crown crates) via crown gifting, not go out and farm the above, and they do buy often for new characters based on new metas and wanting to try other classes / skills.

It's expensive and pretty regular.

Not arguing just giving you a different perspective on how much regular PVPers may spend. Even with all the flaws that Cyro has atm, people keep going back for punishment and still doing the above. It's virtual crack.

Kalik_Gold · July 17

That would be a wise move for Zos.

tonyblack · July 17

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Nice, but... what is the point if PvP in general does not work 90% of the time ? Skill delays, skill not working, bar swap not working, health de-syncs...

Until Cyro works as it did back in 2014 - 2015, any new PvP content will be automatically worst content...

Besides, I think that ZOS makes most of its cash from ehm.. "casuals" (sorry for using that term). You know, housing, RP, overland, questers, explorers etc. End game players (both PvP & PvE) are unfortunately the minority. So I don't see how ZOS will go all of the sudden for a "Year long story" and all new zones will be PvP zones. That would be bad & toxic af. At best, we can get some PvP content instead of DLC dungeon, or in form of PvP Arena (separate instance in PvE zone).

The fact that Cyrodiil is buggy mess and not working at prime time is not a good argument why we can't have new pvp content. Battlegrounds and Imperial city run as good as any other part of the game. Even Blackreach and below 50 campaign are usually fine. So adding new game mode would help spread Cyro population a bit more and attract more players to the game. Win-win.

Urvoth · July 17

The_Drop_Bear wrote: »

Unlikely, there is a reason why ZOS doesn't put much money into PvP because only a small % of the games players do it frequently enough

Ever consider that people don't do it frequently enough because the current PvP systems are pretty mediocre? A basic PvP DLC with an arena system, better designed open world PvP zone, etc, could bring back old PvPers that quit, entice new players to start playing ESO, and encourage current ESO players to start PvPing more.

Urvoth · July 17

ayu_fever wrote: »

no more pvp please and thank you.
the taint of pvp severely affects pve.
pvp shouldnt even be in this game at all.
pvp in this game would be ok if only letting it be a tacked-on afterthought and NEVER the reason for any balancing and nerfs.
elder scrolls is supposed to be a pve paradise!!!
pvp is why we pve cant have nice things.

Uhh no, that's just straight up false. PvE was originally added as an afterthought if anything, and PvP changes rarely actually have a real impact on PvE since the skills/sets used in PvE are different.

ATomiX69 · July 17

Since the majority of the big spender community are PvE-Frogs and Crown Crate Enthusiasts, there is about a 0% chance we get something thats related with PvP or any bigger gameplay changes, for me it feels like the game is the same since one tamriel.
Maybe theyll throw some new BG map or an unfun objective-based gamemode at us in the next 2 years, who knows.