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Crystal Weapon

Celestro
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I'm not able to get on the PTS to test it out but if someone could let me know if the additional damage is similar to Crushing Weapon where its dealt as separate damage or to the effect of Undaunted Infiltrator/Unweaver where its added directly to the damage of the Light and Heavy attacks, I would greatly appreciate it.
  • Firstmep
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    I dont really understand the change, it will be exactly like Crushing Weapon, which barely used by anyone already.
  • Celestro
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    No idea how it'll operate precisely. That's one of the things I'm curious on myself, especially since once upon a time I was really looking forward to Crushing Weapons. They say its damage will be equal to most spammables (though Crushing Weapon itself is on the lower side probably due to being a non-class spammable) and reduces armor. Also has sorcerer passives apply versus the one for Crushing Weapons in the Psijic Order.

    I'm hoping it'll function like the abovementioned latter way though since that synergies well with Bound Armaments and Overload as far as Light attacks go.
  • Aedrion
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    This isn't the skill stamsorcs need.
    What they need is a version of frags that works similarly to X-frags.

    When you use an ability that costs stamina, proc a crystal weapon you can use to attack an opponent in melee.
    Boom done.

    This is just crushing weapon. It's literally crushing weapon.
  • Celestro
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    Yep, not exactly exciting like many of the stamsorc changes but at least its something. If they're willing to change it and Bound Armaments to not be knockoffs of other abilities like a small part of me believes might happen in the future, I'm all for it. For now? I'm personally content with working with what we got.
    Edited by Celestro on July 13, 2020 6:21PM
  • Mykriz
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    Just used it, literally just a reskin of elemental weapon but reduces armor by 700. $&!@ lazy “new” skill morph
  • Sarousse
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    it sucks. Crushing weapon style. Boring to use. The animation is slow, breaks all the nervosity of the game.

    I don't get why they don't wanna give stamsorcs a real spamable. It's beyond understanding and any logic.
    Edited by Sarousse on July 13, 2020 6:34PM
  • Celestro
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    Man that's painful. Even with that clunky 2 second delay?
  • Mykriz
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    Celestro wrote: »
    Man that's painful. Even with that clunky 2 second delay?

    Yep
  • Chilly-McFreeze
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    Does it stack with crushing?
  • Konstant_Tel_Necris
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    Does it stack with crushing?

    Yes, its stack, but there is short time window so you need act quickly and with lag it's will be hard.
  • MincVinyl
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    Being a 4 year dizzy stamsorc, i can guarantee you i am dropping dizzy for crystal as it is right now.

    That being said i dont know why it wasnt a copy of dizzy instead of crushing weapon. Considering the base morph is a cast time with hard hit, it would make more sense to make it a crystal dizzy if you see what I mean. Not to mention how old dizzy was stamsorc's "spammable" for years it would have been perfect.

    We will likely see it changed to not stack with crushing, probs by cutting the duration down to 2 sec instead of 4
  • Jaxaxo
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    crushing weapons ripp-off...
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  • Mortiis13
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    Aedrion wrote: »
    This isn't the skill stamsorcs need.
    What they need is a version of frags that works similarly to X-frags.

    When you use an ability that costs stamina, proc a crystal weapon you can use to attack an opponent in melee.
    Boom done.

    This is just crushing weapon. It's literally crushing weapon.

    That was what I hoped for...
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    Aedrion wrote: »
    This isn't the skill stamsorcs need.
    What they need is a version of frags that works similarly to X-frags.

    When you use an ability that costs stamina, proc a crystal weapon you can use to attack an opponent in melee.
    Boom done.

    This is just crushing weapon. It's literally crushing weapon.

    I completely agree on what they should've done.

    The animation is super clunky and gets worse with the bound armments mechanic. Way too many animations makes weaving not intuitive at all! Gets worse with higher pings.

    Aesthetically speaking looks very neat to me. The little crystals I mean not the animation ripoff.
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  • MincVinyl
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    Aedrion wrote: »
    This isn't the skill stamsorcs need.
    What they need is a version of frags that works similarly to X-frags.

    When you use an ability that costs stamina, proc a crystal weapon you can use to attack an opponent in melee.
    Boom done.

    This is just crushing weapon. It's literally crushing weapon.

    I completely agree on what they should've done.

    The animation is super clunky and gets worse with the bound armments mechanic. Way too many animations makes weaving not intuitive at all! Gets worse with higher pings.

    Aesthetically speaking looks very neat to me. The little crystals I mean not the animation ripoff.

    Imo the weaving is fine, it just doesnt look like it weaves well. Mostly due to it not looking like it animation cancels, so people think it is slower than it is.

    Light attack weaving with crys is perfectly fine.
    Heavy attack weaving is actually really nice feeling (crushing doesnt work with heavy attacks)
  • Yajnho
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    How does this work with heavy attacks on lightning and Resto staffs? Does the damage apply to each tic of the channel?
  • Brun1234
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    Suggestion from the main Combat and Classes thread:

    Crystal Weapon:
    Empower your weapon with dark crystals, which increase the damage of your next Light or Heavy attack by X. Striking an enemy with an empowered Light or Heavy attack has a Y% chance of triggering an additional Light or Heavy attack.

    Pros:
    - More damage, making it edge out the passive damage bonuses in the DW/2H skill lines.
    - The extra LA/HA would be "free" as in it wouldn't have an animation, so weaving would work as it does now.
    - The extra LA/HA would mechanically behave as a normal attack, so it would proc sets, apply poisons/enchant effects, and generate stacks of Bound Armaments.

    Cons:
    - The extra damage effect of Crystal Weapon would probably need to be reduced substantially to offset the extra attacks. Maybe even eliminated entirely.
    - Potential server performance issue with increased message spam due to instant LAs.
    - Throws off LA/s metrics.

    There's room for variation here, if they were uncomfortable with a proc-based ability, it could be a guaranteed extra LA/HA but with reduced damage. The key is the mechanical interaction by having increased numbers of regular attacks - especially the synergy this would provide with Bound Armaments.
  • runa_gate
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    As a 6-year stamina sorc player I'm still rather delighted that stamsorc is even viable.

    Gives me nostalgia for that short era of using Sergeant's Mail and Sunderflame, when HA was really the only way you could kinda sorta hurt people with a stam build (partially as no one knew WTF they were doing).

  • Fur_like_snow
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    It’s better than crushing because of the four second timer I’ll say that much. The secondary is weak/doesn’t do enough only 700 armor? Hey Zeni how about major fracture instead. 👀
    Edited by Fur_like_snow on July 15, 2020 11:08PM
  • Starlight_Knight
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    Its just elemental weapon but 4 secs. same animation as well.
  • rnklippel
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    Yajnho wrote: »
    How does this work with heavy attacks on lightning and Resto staffs? Does the damage apply to each tic of the channel?

    No. It's a separate single hit that does physical damage.
  • Celestro
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    The total it can reduce Armor by is 1000 at rank IV. The advantage of it over Major Fracture is it can stack with Major Fracture, similar to the Nightblade's Surprise Attack, albeit not to a great effect at times given it is percentage based instead of a flat amount like Crystal Weapon. It helps with optimizing group compositions so potentially less points can be allocated in Piercing (or Spell Erosion even) if the usual Armor reducing methods are in play.

    And yeah, separate hit like Crushing Weapons rather than added directly to Light and Heavy attack damage. Would be a much greater improvement in that situation (and way more unique).

    Edit: Actually, thinking about it, a change like that would open up the spammable to be usable for magsorc too, which I've no qualms with at all to be honest. I do wonder if that makes it questionable with it no longer being "solely" for stamsorcs like Frags are for magsorcs. Still wouldnt care though.
    Edited by Celestro on July 16, 2020 2:22AM
  • zvavi
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    Just a quick question, did anyone test it with lightning heavy attack? Does it give the bonus 4 times like vMA staff?
  • Mortiis13
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    Can u remove the *** "unique" from this skill, make it melee only and simply add:
    every skill had a chance of 35% to fully crystallize your weapon / summon a bound weapon. Activate this skill again doing x dmg (frags copy).

    Use onslaught or reverse slice animation for it.
    F.... Even ripoff nb bow animation, make it light purple for even less work...

    We wanted a stam frag, not another Psijic ripoff everyone hates already... Who did this nonsense. I never heard anyone saying he wants another crushing weapon, never seen a stamsorc using it.

    That must be an out of season April fool.

    And before too powerfull, no magsorc is using frags as a spamable, no stamsorc will use crystal weapon as a spamable... Everyone use it for the proc only

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