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Why such a heavy nerf to crystal fragments? [A ray of light brought relief]
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
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But but but, you mostly receive indirect nerfs that are tied to game mechanics.
Sorcerer nerfs are always blatant, preposterous and in your face.
DK Wings.
A skill nerfed solely because people refused to slot anything that wasn't a ranged, reflectable skill and then whined when they died to their own attacks reflected back at them.4 -
Celestro✭✭✭The 10% less cost on next ability is pretty decent too. The cast time just makes it so undesirable for a spammable. I can't see it beating out FP or ele weapon, even if it can proc itself.
However, can someone confirm if casting the actual Frag proc can proc another frag, or is it only the normal cast that does? If so, you could chain these if you are lucky.
Says "this ability", so I'd imagine using the skill itself period likely would.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭Miloscpolski wrote: »22% damage reduction for crystal fragments seems extremely heavy. It's the one signature offensive ability sorcerer has and now it will again hit for too little.
You buffed its damage several times because we pointed out that after the removal of the stun, it was not strong enough anymore to warrant its use. Now it will be weaker than it was on launch. No stun and almost the same damage as on launch.
Why is Sorcerer always the only class that receives class shattering nerfs? I sincerely hope that Stamina Sorcerers and their new shiny spammable are not to blame for this. You have finally done it and taken away from magicka sorcerers with your conquest to get more stamina abilities....
Please increase the proc damage of crystal fragments to compensate for the heavy base damage nerf. At this point, its damage is reduced so heavily, that the stun can as well get added back to it.
"Why is Sorcerer always the only class that receives class shattering nerfs?" ahahaha Hello from overnerfed magicka dk XD
Yeah, I spit beer all over my monitor when I read that part.
Edited by Langeston on July 13, 2020 6:42PM9 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The 10% less cost on next ability is pretty decent too. The cast time just makes it so undesirable for a spammable. I can't see it beating out FP or ele weapon, even if it can proc itself.
However, can someone confirm if casting the actual Frag proc can proc another frag, or is it only the normal cast that does? If so, you could chain these if you are lucky.
I am currently testing this.
So far, 20 procs and none of them created another proc.
So I would almost certainly say no, it can not.
The hard cast can do it, though I do not see how that would really matter. It is, as you said, still not desirable as a spammable.Edited by Dracane on July 13, 2020 6:42PMAuri-El is my lord,
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Magnus is my mind.
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Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Kinda weird to touch magsorc but leave stamden and stamcro as they are tbh...
Thats what I tought too, stamden and stamcro is so insanely strong atm, yet magsorc receives this heavy handed nerf...
PC EU
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
(o_ô)
I figure rune cage because if I am going to use a spammable with a cast time, I might as well use a delayed stun along with it. Cast the stun, then hit the spammable. Maybe they won't dodge as I wind it all up.0 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The 10% less cost on next ability is pretty decent too. The cast time just makes it so undesirable for a spammable. I can't see it beating out FP or ele weapon, even if it can proc itself.
However, can someone confirm if casting the actual Frag proc can proc another frag, or is it only the normal cast that does? If so, you could chain these if you are lucky.
I am currently testing this.
So far, 20 procs and none of them created another proc.
So I would almost certainly say no, it can not.
The hard cast can do it, though I do not see how that would really matter. It is, as you said, still not desirable as a spammable.
Seems expected if not unfortunate. If the proc could also proc the proc, I could see the cast time being less of an issue. But as is, the skill is as useless at base level as it is now.
What would be cool, and make the base part of the morph worthwhile to use as a spammable:
If the frag that procs off of the skill itself were stronger than if the frag procced off another skill. Like +65% damage if it procs off another skill, and +100% damage if it procs off of itself. This would make it more desirable as a spammable.0 -
Somewhere✭✭✭✭Are other % damage multipliers additive with the 66% bonus damage from the proc chance or are they multiplicative?
That is, if I have minor berserk and I gain 8% bonus damage, is that 8% being applied on the base damage of the skill or the final damage of the skill? If it's being applied to the base damage along with the crystal fragments proc then I think this skill overall did receive a small damage reduction.
I know most other % damage multipliers are additive usually so I assume that the effectiveness of bonuses like berserk and so on have been reduced.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I also want to add something that makes the addition to crystal shard seem pretty pointless.
It speaks about the cost decrease of 10%. This only applies after the hard casted shard, not crystal fragment proc.
So it's pretty much the same as on live.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Miswar✭✭✭✭✭Is that -22% nerf to base skill and procs only -1&?
If it is +20% on procs too than simply "briliant". Reminds me an old movie called "dumb and dumber" which ironically suits on these "ideas" someone keeps getting into.0 -
Somewhere✭✭✭✭I also want to add something that makes the addition to crystal shard seem pretty pointless.
It speaks about the cost decrease of 10%. This only applies after the hard casted shard, not crystal fragment proc.
So it's pretty much the same as on live.
It looks like that was put there really for the newer players that actually do spam crystal shard. I think for people who have gotten the hang of properly weaving and using crystal fragments on proc (not that it's all that difficult mind you), there is no change.
I could see some small use for it in pvp. After all, dizzying swing has a cast time of 800ms and people use that. I really only see a zoo sorc using it though since they're pretty short on bar space and having crystal fragments act as a spammable helps a bit.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
(o_ô)
I figure rune cage because if I am going to use a spammable with a cast time, I might as well use a delayed stun along with it. Cast the stun, then hit the spammable. Maybe they won't dodge as I wind it all up.
Hm. They will definitely dodge the Cage. Don't know if that causes the Shards to hit, but I doubt it.0 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
(o_ô)
You could be surprised how good that skill is for destroying stamina pools.
Because of that one thing that is clearly obvious before you got stunuse one, let them roll it, use another and so on. At some point they let that stun land on them, but most players don't do it and they just waste their stamina for rolling.1 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
(o_ô)
You could be surprised how good that skill is for destroying stamina pools.
Because of that one thing that is clearly obvious before you got stunuse one, let them roll it, use another and so on. At some point they let that stun land on them, but most players don't do it and they just waste their stamina for rolling.
But what's the point? If you're spamming Cage, you're not setting up damage.1 -
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I am afraid pets have gotten a tremendous nerf.
The first photo is my matriarch on live with 58k magicka.
The second photo is on the pts with the exact same build and magicka but 3,8k spell damage, which I only achieved during the master staff proc.
This will be particularly devastating for my pve heal-tank where my spell damage is a lot lower.
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Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
For PVP maybe. I could see myself fitting this into a PVP build, dropping FP as a spammable and slotting rune cage again with the added bar slot. Unfortunately, using it as a spammable will make you weak against DKs with their wings.
But in PVE, that cast time is a DPS loss.
Rune Cage.
(o_ô)
You could be surprised how good that skill is for destroying stamina pools.
Because of that one thing that is clearly obvious before you got stunuse one, let them roll it, use another and so on. At some point they let that stun land on them, but most players don't do it and they just waste their stamina for rolling.
But what's the point? If you're spamming Cage, you're not setting up damage.
Starve them of their stamina and then you have free window when you can just kill them while they are waiting for stamina to CC break
Also its cheaper than keep spamming skills in hope some can get through roll dodge spam. With rune cage you just cast it few times and then bomb them while they are unable to do anything.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Dracane you have done the frags screenshot with the same setup?
I watched some minutes ago and the tooltip base dmg was about 12k of Cfrag on live
I am not yet done with the frag test. Tooltip does not really interest, since it does not change when the proc is active.
I look at the damage done and due to the buffed sharpened, the numbers are not reliable anymore.
So far it seems fragments deals a bit more damage on the pts. Because when I switched my staff for an infused one, against a target that should definately not be overpenetrated yet, the damage was still 2 digits higher than on live.
EDIT: Okay it's true, it deals a bit less damage. Like 1 digit less. So less than 1% as they said.Edited by Dracane on July 13, 2020 7:58PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Glantir✭✭✭✭@Dracane you have done the frags screenshot with the same setup?
I watched some minutes ago and the tooltip base dmg was about 12k of Cfrag on live
I am not yet done with the frag test. Tooltip does not really interest, since it does not change when the proc is active.
I look at the damage done and due to the buffed sharpened, the numbers are not reliable anymore.
So far it seems fragments deals a bit more damage on the pts. Because when I switched my staff for an infused one, against a target that should definately not be overpenetrated yet, the damage was still 2 digits higher than on live.
EDIT: Okay it's true, it deals a bit less damage. Like 1 digit less. So less than 1% as they said.
I can live with 1% less dmg if it procs more often in the end
. But lets see what they are changing in the next couple weeks... Glantir Sorcerer ~ Ebonheart Pact (EU)0 -
carlos424✭✭✭✭✭
Magplars got the nerf hammer too. Especially pvp. Nerfed their healing tremendously, especially jabs.Yeah... and they nerfed Sorc Pet stat scaling so you need more stats now to make them as effective as they were before... it's not like Magplars are OP or anything, no, no, please nerf signature Sorc spells instead!
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Dracane you have done the frags screenshot with the same setup?
I watched some minutes ago and the tooltip base dmg was about 12k of Cfrag on live
I am not yet done with the frag test. Tooltip does not really interest, since it does not change when the proc is active.
I look at the damage done and due to the buffed sharpened, the numbers are not reliable anymore.
So far it seems fragments deals a bit more damage on the pts. Because when I switched my staff for an infused one, against a target that should definately not be overpenetrated yet, the damage was still 2 digits higher than on live.
EDIT: Okay it's true, it deals a bit less damage. Like 1 digit less. So less than 1% as they said.
I can live with 1% less dmg if it procs more often in the end. But lets see what they are changing in the next couple weeks...
It does not proc more often though.
It can not proc off procs. So it is exactly the same as on live in that regard.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Mietzmietzmietzmietz! It turns out it is indeed but a poor explaination.
They have added the lost damage to Crystal Fragementina. 
Can someone not on EU post a screenshot of their Live and PTS fragments to see if the damage is the same (or the whole <1% bit)?
The way the patch notes are written is really confusing. Changes to the base ability almost always mean the morphs get changed too.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Mietzmietzmietzmietz! It turns out it is indeed but a poor explaination. They have added the lost damage to Crystal Fragementina.
Can someone not on EU post a screenshot of their Live and PTS fragments to see if the damage is the same (or the whole <1% bit)?
The way the patch notes are written is really confusing. Changes to the base ability almost always mean the morphs get changed too.
@Joy_Division Do not dismiss me so. The tooltip does not update when a proc is active unfortunately.
My live fragments hit for 26,561 damage and my PTS fragment with the same stats hits for 26498 damage. So as they said, less than 1% weaker. Of course, the hard cast is a lot weaker now.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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