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Equality to ESO too!
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
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AzraelKrieg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
On the Alchemy quest, ZOS was actually praised for it in a lot of LGBTQ publications.Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NA
CR1000+Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50
Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50
Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50
Jorleif the Bear-King - EP DK - 50
Ko'Shariba-do - EP Sorc - 50
Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50
Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50
More-Tail - EP Warden - 50
Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50
Az the Bulwark of Skål - EP Warden - 50
Rilasi Sedas - EP Warden - 50
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Isn't there already a race that can change genders or am I am not recalling one of the things in murkmire right.
The Hist is wonderful
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Chal-Maht"In the Storyteller's name, I stand upon the bones of the world. I drink in the promise and power of nature's law, and breathe out my thanks."
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jm42✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
And for OP - better go learn some elder scrolls lore and ESO quests, books and NPCs then demand to introduce special NPC with fireworks and celebrations to please anyone. Elder Scrolls don't need any imposed divercity as it is already divers afEdited by jm42 on July 7, 2020 7:45AM -
RedTalon✭✭✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far. -
vestahls✭✭✭✭✭We already have that, they're called Argonians. They can change their reproductive organs throughout their life.
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[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:33PMAlmaflexialuv Abnur
luv Rigurt
luv Stibbons
'ate Ayrenn
'ate Razum-dar
'ate Khamira
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drakthir✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far.
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
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Hanokihs✭✭✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far.
Just because they can show up as either genders does not mean they are genderless
They're genderless AND sexless, because they can transform into either/both/neither, and do so on the regular. It's part of the lore, plus they're demons and don't need a sex/gender anyway, go read the numerous sources of information about it if you like.
I mean, even Molag Bal, Lord of domination and brutality (and, ahem, other things) is said to have a female form for interacting with some of his lady cult members.Edited by Hanokihs on July 7, 2020 8:14AM"I love how ESO is so fresh and innovative compared to other MMOs out there, except for this one change that I hate and/or don't want them to make." ~These forums, in a nutshell. -
drakthir✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far.
Just because they can show up as either genders does not mean they are genderless
They're genderless AND sexless, because they can transform into either/both/neither, and do so on the regular. It's part of the lore, plus they're demons and don't need a sex/gender anyway, go read the numerous sources of information about it if you like.
I mean, even Molag Bal, Lord of domination and brutality (and, ahem, other things) is said to have a female form for interacting with some of his lady cult members.
Just because they can transform into other genders does not make them genderless
They may have a gender, they may be genderless, but you can't say either as we don't know.I have seen on some places people making your same assuptions, that because they can appear as male or female it makes them genderless which is wrong you should not assume anyone/things gender or lack of, regular gender swaps does not indicate a lack on gender, jsut a willingness to use gender as a tool of influence or for other reasons.
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✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far.
Just because they can show up as either genders does not mean they are genderless
They're genderless AND sexless, because they can transform into either/both/neither, and do so on the regular. It's part of the lore, plus they're demons and don't need a sex/gender anyway, go read the numerous sources of information about it if you like.
I mean, even Molag Bal, Lord of domination and brutality (and, ahem, other things) is said to have a female form for interacting with some of his lady cult members.
Just because they can transform into other genders does not make them genderless
They may have a gender, they may be genderless, but you can't say either as we don't know.I have seen on some places people making your same assuptions, that because they can appear as male or female it makes them genderless which is wrong you should not assume anyone/things gender or lack of, regular gender swaps does not indicate a lack on gender, jsut a willingness to use gender as a tool of influence or for other reasons.
They're still canonically genderless.
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LuxiasCaelum13✭✭✭Tamriel is a world of sword and witchcraft, it doesn't have to mirror the real world. [snip]
TES is full of those kind of characters, starting with the daedra. Daedric princes have no assigned sex, and their appearance is the form they choose to manifestate themselves in Mundus and Oblivion, which means that Molag Bal, Azura, Bothiah, Mephala...don't have an assigned sex, and their physical appearance is their own choice.
The same applies to Vivec. Vivec is the physical manifestation of duality. Warrior and poet, peaceful and powerful, male and female...etc etc.
[Edited to remove Baiting and Offensive Content]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:36PMDon't make me say the same thing twice. Don't make me say it a third time. I hate having to repeat myself because it's useless. ~Giorno Giovanna -
jm42✭✭✭Alchemy, in one of the Summerset quests. Born male, used magic to transition to female. Actually pretty integral to the quest story line.
And she’s just a mortal.
Boethiah has been both male and female at different times. As has Vivec.
And that’s just off the top of my head.
Mephala
Well all the princes a5e genderless, but yeah only a couple have been seren has either gender thus far.
Just because they can show up as either genders does not mean they are genderless
They're genderless AND sexless, because they can transform into either/both/neither, and do so on the regular. It's part of the lore, plus they're demons and don't need a sex/gender anyway, go read the numerous sources of information about it if you like.
I mean, even Molag Bal, Lord of domination and brutality (and, ahem, other things) is said to have a female form for interacting with some of his lady cult members.
Just because they can transform into other genders does not make them genderless
They may have a gender, they may be genderless, but you can't say either as we don't know.I have seen on some places people making your same assuptions, that because they can appear as male or female it makes them genderless which is wrong you should not assume anyone/things gender or lack of, regular gender swaps does not indicate a lack on gender, jsut a willingness to use gender as a tool of influence or for other reasons.
come on, man, are you ever played any ES game or you just found this thread somehow? Daedric Princes are immortal essenses, they simply don't need or possess any of your mortal definitions or body. Forms they take need to make their appearance more comfortable for mortals that see them and thats all. IDK it something like to state that the wind has gender -
Shokner✭✭✭Edited by me after the censorship of posts on here earlier I removed this post, apparently you can't point out story lines in there game hinting at a very unusual relationship "sweet rotmeth brew" if you haven't done the mission yet watch you tube. This was not my story if your ashamed of it's connotations don't do them!
Games 17+ rating you sure, people are obviously going to point them out or discuss them in the forums discussion especially about being inclusive well this one pushes the boundary a bit.Edited by Shokner on July 7, 2020 1:28PM -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Late night "Let's see how long it takes the moderators to close this" threads are the best.
I'd take this a little more seriously if it weren't for the Summerset quest. Like, sure, ZOS can do more representation for trans folks if they want, but we've already seen them handle it in a pretty decent fashion. I really appreciated that the conflict in the quest had nothing to do with the transition, but rather letting the sister live out her acting dreams. -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MorganaBlue wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
It's already in the game, if you count "transgender people exist in Tamriel and get to transition using magic if they want" as a sociopolitical statement.Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 12:38PM -
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[snip] Because honestly people need to get used to the fact that transgendered people are a thing - they exist in real life and there's absolutely no good reason why they shouldn't be in games also. It's just really ridiculous to point the finger at Bethesda/Zenimax in this context, because this is one of the things they actually excel at: incorporating different sexualities and non-conservative ideas about gender into their games without making a big deal out of it. All of these things just feel natural in Tamriel and that's great. I really wish more gaming companies would do it like that, instead of either ignoring the topic completely or very unsubtly shoving it down people's throats, which usually doesn't have the desired effect.
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✭VaranisArano wrote: »MorganaBlue wrote: »[Quoted post was removed]
It's already in the game, if you count "transgender people exist in Tamriel and get to transition using magic if they want" as a sociopolitical statement.
The difference is, they didn't sell the quest as some kind of diversity BS. Maybe someone thought that when they created it, but I don't remember any point in time when they advertised with it. And it's not like they are plastering the entire game with such quests, so I think it's pretty realistic that when dealing with thousands of NPCs you'd encounter 1 or 2 who are trans. [snip]
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✭✭✭✭✭MorganaBlue wrote: »so it's stated, no need to lobby it. LOL
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If we can be lobbying for all the other things we ask for on the forums, I don't really mind asking for (more) trans representation. I mean, look at how ZOS does a much better job with same-sex relationship than Skyrim did! Skyrim had one couple and they were already dead. ESO has a number of living couples and most of them are shown through simple asides in the dialogue - its all very normal in Tamriel. Since ZOS seems to be going the same way with trans folks, I'd prefer to see more and treated in the same way: normal, small details about the characters that no one in Tamriel really bats an eye over.
[Edited to remove Baiting]Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on July 7, 2020 11:52AM
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