Am I missing something with this build?

dhboy123 · July 7

I am currently going for this build via @Alcast which I find nice due to me tanking in PVE - https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-dragonknight-pvp-build2/

Stamina-Dragonknight-PvP-Build-ESO-unbuffed-stats.jpg?ssl=1

I have followed it almost 100%, only difference is a few items are purple and not gold, I am 330cp.

My HP is 18.5k and his shown is 27.9k? Where on earth am i loosing almost 10k HP from? It's odd as everything is almost identical apart from the HP.

JamieAubrey · July 7

Looking at the link he might be in Cyrodiil when he took the images

dhboy123 · July 7

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Looking at the link he might be in Cyrodiil when he took the images

will that really boost you 10k health? If that is the case the build really isn't viable in BG with 18k heatlh.

Hotdog_23 · July 7

Good question.

Battlespirit would only give 5k health. Are you using endurance jewelry? Two pieces would give you 2842 health at gold level and 3 tri-stat would give another 1432 health for a total of 4273 health.

Zer0_CooL · July 7

With all gear purple, shouldn't you have at least 5 white stars?

dhboy123 · July 7

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Good question.

Battlespirit would only give 5k health. Are you using endurance jewelry? Two pieces would give you 2842 health at gold level and 3 tri-stat would give another 1432 health for a total of 4273 health.

im running ring of the wild hunt and ring of endurance, that makes me loose 1.8k health.

@Zer0_CooL i am running full purple, that doesn't give 5 white stars, full gold gives 5 gold.

JimmyJuJu · July 7

A few things:

Make sure you have a food buff. There's not enough of your screen shot to verify if you have one active.
Each champion point in the "red" tree gives some amount of points into health. I don't know the formula, but you are missing 160 points in the red tree. (810-330)/3 (there are 3 trees). You will close the gap as you gain more CP.
Make sure your gear has the enchants called for in the build. It's easy to forget them on crafted sets.
The Undaunted Mettle and Heavy Armor Juggernaut passives together add a LOT to your health pool. Make sure you have all points there.

Hope that helps.

dhboy123 · July 7

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

A few things:
Make sure you have a food buff. There's not enough of your screen shot to verify if you have one active.

Each champion point in the "red" tree gives some amount of points into health. I don't know the formula, but you are missing 160 points in the red tree. (810-330)/3 (there are 3 trees). You will close the gap as you gain more CP.

Make sure your gear has the enchants called for in the build. It's easy to forget them on crafted sets.

The Undaunted Mettle and Heavy Armor Juggernaut passives together add a LOT to your health pool. Make sure you have all points there.

Hope that helps.

1. The food buff he is running is Stamina and stamina regain, nothing to do with health.
2. This stops at 300cp.
3. All enchants are done right.
4. both passives are maxed out.

Thanks for the input though, this seems to be catching alot of people off guard.

Maybe @Alcast himself can reply.

Chilly-McFreeze · July 7

Are you sure you have all your gear at 160cp? Even the unbuffed weapon dmg seems oddly low + only 4 stars?

dhboy123 · July 7

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Are you sure you have all your gear at 160cp? Even the unbuffed weapon dmg seems oddly low + only 4 stars?

Not sure what this 4 star thing is? I am running 6 gold and 6 purple and ring of the wild hunt (orange)..

All 160cp.

Zer0_CooL · July 7

Did you use Kutas for your Glyphs?

dhboy123 · July 7

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Did you use Kutas for your Glyphs?

yeah all glyphs are gold. Thought this was the problem so even upgraded my Tri-stat ones to gold aswell.

Kadoin · July 7

The true explanation: Alcast has the magic touch...

Artorias24 · July 7

Pretty sure He is not using Lava Food on his Screenshot. 1k Stam regen with Lava Food is waaaay to Low. Compare it to your regen wich is way higher

RogueShark · July 7

You're missing almost 2k health from endurance jewelry. Battle spirit adds another 5k. That's 7k difference right there.
You do have a large discrepancy between your sustain and his in the screenshot so I'd reckon maybe there's a couple other things on the build that aren't quite matching up.

UntilValhalla13 · July 7

On his site, right below the above screenshot, he says that he's using the artaeum food, which is probably the takeaway broth.

"5x Alchemist, 5x New Moon Acolyte, 2x Balorgh, 2x Endurance on a Nord with Artaeum food."

Luvtantius_Micocia · July 7

When I look at the screenshots I see 5 gold stars in one, 4 white stars in the other. Maybe almost 100% is not as almost as it appeared on first glance.

Alcast · July 7

dhboy123 wrote: »

I am currently going for this build via @Alcast which I find nice due to me tanking in PVE - https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-dragonknight-pvp-build2/

I have followed it almost 100%, only difference is a few items are purple and not gold, I am 330cp.

My HP is 18.5k and his shown is 27.9k? Where on earth am i loosing almost 10k HP from? It's odd as everything is almost identical apart from the HP.

Do you have this addon "superstar". It shows your setup in 1 window so I can easily double check what you are missing.
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info946-SuperStar-CharacterBuilder.html

A few things:
1. PvP setups are always with Battle Spirit, which gives around 5000 health (I will add a note below the screenshot about battle spirit buff). Though you still miss more than that.
2. Do you have Tri Stat Enchantments on the big armor pieces?
3. Do you have 2 pieces of https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance?
4. Do you have the Undaunted Skill line at level 9 for the Undaunted Mettle passive?

Artorias24 wrote: »

Pretty sure He is not using Lava Food on his Screenshot. 1k Stam regen with Lava Food is waaaay to Low. Compare it to your regen wich is way higher

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

On his site, right below the above screenshot, he says that he's using the artaeum food, which is probably the takeaway broth.

"5x Alchemist, 5x New Moon Acolyte, 2x Balorgh, 2x Endurance on a Nord with Artaeum food."

The screenshot shows Lava Foot Soup, I forgot to change the text below, I don't use artaeum, fixed the typo.

But ye pretty much Battle Spirit, Nord race, Alchemist, Endurance, Tri Stat Glyphs, Undaunted passive and heavy armor passive should boost your health.

The_Camper · July 7

Make sure you have the undaunted level 9 passives.

and the battlespirit adds 5k RAW HEALTH. This then gets buffed by your heavy armor passives, undaunted buffs and any other increase % health passives. so in reality, this should add 6-7k HP to you while in cyrodil and other pvp modes. This is the biggest disparity in your build as i see.

my main has 23k HP outside cyro and 30k ish with Battlespirit enabled. so yeah.

Greystag · July 7

The_Camper wrote: »

Make sure you have the undaunted level 9 passives.

and the battlespirit adds 5k RAW HEALTH. This then gets buffed by your heavy armor passives, undaunted buffs and any other increase % health passives. so in reality, this should add 6-7k HP to you while in cyrodil and other pvp modes. This is the biggest disparity in your build as i see.

my main has 23k HP outside cyro and 30k ish with Battlespirit enabled. so yeah.

Same here, I go from 19k to barely below 30k.

dhboy123 · July 7

Alcast wrote: »

dhboy123 wrote: »

I am currently going for this build via @Alcast which I find nice due to me tanking in PVE - https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-dragonknight-pvp-build2/

I have followed it almost 100%, only difference is a few items are purple and not gold, I am 330cp.

My HP is 18.5k and his shown is 27.9k? Where on earth am i loosing almost 10k HP from? It's odd as everything is almost identical apart from the HP.

Do you have this addon "superstar". It shows your setup in 1 window so I can easily double check what you are missing.
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info946-SuperStar-CharacterBuilder.html

A few things:
1. PvP setups are always with Battle Spirit, which gives around 5000 health (I will add a note below the screenshot about battle spirit buff). Though you still miss more than that.
2. Do you have Tri Stat Enchantments on the big armor pieces?
3. Do you have 2 pieces of https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance?
4. Do you have the Undaunted Skill line at level 9 for the Undaunted Mettle passive?

Artorias24 wrote: »

Pretty sure He is not using Lava Food on his Screenshot. 1k Stam regen with Lava Food is waaaay to Low. Compare it to your regen wich is way higher

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

On his site, right below the above screenshot, he says that he's using the artaeum food, which is probably the takeaway broth.

"5x Alchemist, 5x New Moon Acolyte, 2x Balorgh, 2x Endurance on a Nord with Artaeum food."

The screenshot shows Lava Foot Soup, I forgot to change the text below, I don't use artaeum, fixed the typo.

But ye pretty much Battle Spirit, Nord race, Alchemist, Endurance, Tri Stat Glyphs, Undaunted passive and heavy armor passive should boost your health.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, all big armour pieces are tri stat gold as per the guide. Undaunted mettle is maxed.

I am not running two piece endurance as I am am running ring of the wild hunt.

I can see battle spirit being 5k health and the endurance being another maybe 1-2k, still missing around 4-5k health lol.

Once servers are up I will download the superstar add on.

DTAmoral · July 7

I didnt see it mentioned, but on a lot of characters you are running 5/1/1 light/med/heavy in whatever order.

Heavy Armor 3rd passive gives you 2% or 4% Max HP for each Heavy Armor piece you wear. (dont recall which is correct)

and like others said:

Double check your Undaunted thats important, battle spirit gives you 5k, If you're meant to run Healthy on anything do that.

A good number to strive for in PvP is 25K that should be your minimum. Which means you just need to find a way to get to 20K outside of Cyro

Alcast · July 7

dhboy123 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

dhboy123 wrote: »

I am currently going for this build via @Alcast which I find nice due to me tanking in PVE - https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-dragonknight-pvp-build2/

I have followed it almost 100%, only difference is a few items are purple and not gold, I am 330cp.

My HP is 18.5k and his shown is 27.9k? Where on earth am i loosing almost 10k HP from? It's odd as everything is almost identical apart from the HP.

Do you have this addon "superstar". It shows your setup in 1 window so I can easily double check what you are missing.
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info946-SuperStar-CharacterBuilder.html

A few things:
1. PvP setups are always with Battle Spirit, which gives around 5000 health (I will add a note below the screenshot about battle spirit buff). Though you still miss more than that.
2. Do you have Tri Stat Enchantments on the big armor pieces?
3. Do you have 2 pieces of https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance https://eso-sets.com/set/endurance?
4. Do you have the Undaunted Skill line at level 9 for the Undaunted Mettle passive?

Artorias24 wrote: »

Pretty sure He is not using Lava Food on his Screenshot. 1k Stam regen with Lava Food is waaaay to Low. Compare it to your regen wich is way higher

UntilValhalla13 wrote: »

On his site, right below the above screenshot, he says that he's using the artaeum food, which is probably the takeaway broth.

"5x Alchemist, 5x New Moon Acolyte, 2x Balorgh, 2x Endurance on a Nord with Artaeum food."

The screenshot shows Lava Foot Soup, I forgot to change the text below, I don't use artaeum, fixed the typo.

But ye pretty much Battle Spirit, Nord race, Alchemist, Endurance, Tri Stat Glyphs, Undaunted passive and heavy armor passive should boost your health.

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, all big armour pieces are tri stat gold as per the guide. Undaunted mettle is maxed.

I am not running two piece endurance as I am am running ring of the wild hunt.

I can see battle spirit being 5k health and the endurance being another maybe 1-2k, still missing around 4-5k health lol.

Once servers are up I will download the superstar add on.

How much health do you have when you are inside of Cyrodiil.

Once we know what stats you have in Cyrodiil we can pretty much see how much is missing, but it will come very close to what it should be, excluding the endurance HP boost.

Iirc when I played without Mythic item I had around 23 or 24k Health. You could always boost that with putting some points into HP attribute. But first lets figure out what stats you get with battlespirit.

Here the picture with the active buffs I had when I took the screenshot: