Ganking Etiquette in Imperial City

TheTwistedRune · July 6

I am kind of impressed with those PVP players showing restraint by not killing players who they clearly outclass. That is the kind of selfless behaviour the world is sadly lacking these days.

I tip my hat in respect to those players.

CyberSkooma · July 6

Imperial City is nasty. Everybody is on the kill-list. I'll often show mercy in Cyrodiil but I feel like the moment you step into IC you get thrown on the kill list. I'm not talking about camping quest objectives, but if you're in IC and I see you running around, you're a target. It doesn't matter. This includes players that I know can beat me up. Gotta at least try, it makes it all the better when you win.

You should know what you're getting into when you enter IC. It is fight or die.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 6

Ganking is poor form.

I have seen GROUPS of PVP'ers hunt down solo PVE'ers from the other side of the zone, sit at zone entrances / exits, all waiting to gank defenseless players. But as soon as someone faces them for a fair fight, they invis and run away. But these are the same people who will shout "git gud"

There is 0 competitive accomplishment to killing defenseless PVE'ers from behind who can't fight back. To me that just screams of someone who isn't good enough for regular PVP so they have to attack defenseless players.

If I am PVE'ing in IC, I am always sure to bank my Tel Var stones regularly so bankers dont get any off me, and if I am attacked, I just sheathe my weapon to let them know they have 0 accomplishment in killing someone not equipped for PVP

I 100% understand it is a PVP zone, and dying at the hands of PVP'ers is a risk.

There is a difference between getting wrapped up in PVP and getting ganked from behind while doing PVE questing by someone who runs the second you turn to face them for a fair fight.

dem0n1k · July 6

Don't overthink it. If they are a different alliance.. kill.

amm7sb14_ESO · July 6

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

I am kind of impressed with those PVP players showing restraint by not killing players who they clearly outclass. That is the kind of selfless behaviour the world is sadly lacking these days.

I tip my hat in respect to those players.

Only had that happen once. Was in Imp City PVE'ing, saw a yellow. He saw me. And he just ran by. I was shocked.

Vorpan · July 6

I'm not a big PVPer these days, but have been in IC a lot for the event and have not been bothered by the ganking. It's a PVP area, so it's expected and if I die a lot it's my own fault for being lazy and not putting my proper gear on.

I do dislike the griefers though. I've seen some players who hang out by mobs, see a solo player start a fight with NPCs and kill them, only to then go over to that persons respawn point and gank them again when they jump down. Or they'll hang out by the doors leading to the next area, and even by questing objectives. That's trashy and not PVP.

Neither is picky on low level players. I don't understand why they didn't add a low level IC for the event. Not everyone has a level 50.

Vanagrand · July 6

Sarannah wrote: »

For me, PvPers/gankers absolutely ruined the PvP-event. When you are simply PvE player vs PvE player, it makes for some interesting battles.

Getting ganked from the shadows 10 times in a row when exiting the sewerbase, trying to PvE, is just toxic. Dying every 5 seconds is not fun for other players. Please never ever do a PvP event again!

PS: The first 2-3 days of the event were 'ok', as it was mostly only PvE players, and barely any gankers.

Your way is not the only way to play the game.

Dracane · July 6

Often I refrain from killing questers after they give no AP or Tel Var anymore. Unless their class is needed for my 20 kills quest, then it can be more. Especially when it is a harder to find class like Necromancer.

Thannazzar · July 6

IMHO gankers are cowardly scum, I'm glad they only get 2 events a year and the bulk of development goes on PVE. It's proof of Karma.

thegreat_one · July 6

Sometimes I just don't want to screw up someones time in Cyro. If they are hunting skyshards or questing and it's painfully obvious i usually let them be. After they finish they usually never want to come back because of the above mentioned behaviors.

I was ganked several times doing Ic quests. Anyone who kept pursuing me had to deal with an overland boss, or i would simply go to the blue districts.

When several Reds ran around killing everything in sight and tbagging, well that is when I just straight up leave.

LuxiasCaelum13 · July 6

For me, the only valid etiquette is: if they are doing PvE leave them be, if not, show no mercy.

When i see comments like "is a PvP zone", "it's to kill or be killed", "they know what they are signing for" i can't help but to think they use those points as a bad excuse to justify their poor behavior. Yes, IC is PvP, but it's PvE too, and some people just wants to grind some mobs to get tel vars, and it's not even that hard to differentiate between PvPers and PvErs, it only takes a few seconds of observation. If they charge towards you at the first sight then it's pretty obvious what's the deal, but when you see players being timid, trying to remain hidden, avoiding combat, the whole "bUt iT's a PvP zOnE yOu HaVe tO sUrVivE" falls apart. Just because you can do something it doesn't mean you must.

I remember a specially disgusting episode some time ago. When i was doing some mob clearing with my magplar ,another player showed up and started to chase me. I sheathed my weapon as a way to say "no thanks", but the dude killed me without any remorse. Then, he started to actively look for me around all districts to attack me while i was busy dealing with the npcs. At some point i whispered him to stop, and the response i got was "this is a PvP zone, go rp somewhere else, healer, lol". I was shocked by that level of stupidity.

When i do PvP in IC and find any suspicious player i first observe what is he doing, and if he doesn't pose any threat i just leave him. Is that simple. Treat others the way you want to be treated.

Hanokihs · July 7

Listen. I get it's a PVP zone and all, but at least be mindful of the fact that there's an event; most people are only there because they have to be there to get tickets, and trust me, if you make their lives miserable, they're never coming back. That's why ZoS has to "force" people to go IC in the first place.

Case in point; a buddy and I were killing a boss I aggro'd to annoy her, when a couple randos showed up to help down it, including one guy from another faction. Dude proceeds to target me with crystal frags/whatever (I even moved to make sure it wasn't just an accident, and kept getting blasted), and tries to trip me up before ultimately dying to AoE. Like, bruh. Could you not? We're clearly doing a thing here, go flip the flag or something and come back in a minute.

There's just no excuse for being a cabbage.

volkeswagon · July 7

i don't go into pvp zones for pvp so I get pissed when people kill me for no reason when I'm just trying to do a quest or farm treasure maps. I would think a simple rule would be to leave solo players alone unless they are trying to take over keeps, etc. One time a player from another alliance and I did a doleman together. At the end we applauded, danced and went our separate ways without any blood shed

stevenyaub16_ESO · July 7

going unprepared into IC is same as going into dungeon or trial without the gear or skills. It's gonna suck.

But I think some real PvPers will leave someone who is under 50 or really low CP.

The only etiquette I've seen consistently is when I'm 1on1 someone and it's pretty even fight, then an opposing group comes along, we both turn on them and team up and then part ways after they are dead.

Also similarly if its a 3 way bout and one is clearly outnumbered, will usually not kill each other and focus on the large group.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · July 7

I hate imp city due to ganker i hope the never release another pvevp dlc ever again

SeaGtGruff · July 7

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

I am kind of impressed with those PVP players showing restraint by not killing players who they clearly outclass. That is the kind of selfless behaviour the world is sadly lacking these days.

I tip my hat in respect to those players.

My opinion is, PvPers who like to farm PvErs must be afraid to take on their fellow PvPers because they need easy pickings and want to avoid a real challenge.

That said, there's not a clear way to tell the difference between a fellow PvPer and a questing PvEr except by taking the time to watch what they're doing.

If they see you but don't attack, or seem to be trying to avoid drawing attention, then they're most likely a questing PvEr.

But some of the daily district jobs involve killing Flame Atronachs, Daedroths, Xivkyns, Legion Zero enemies, Grievous Twilights, and other enemies, so that part can make it look like they're farming Tel Var.

The stupid thing is, a PvPer probably isn't going to get much Tel Var off of a PvEr, because the real Tel Var comes in the reward box you get when you turnnin the daily jobs, and hopefully the PvErs are smart enough to either leave those unopened until they leave Imperial City, or are careful to bank their Tel Var as soon as they open up their rewards.

newtinmpls · July 7

bharathitman wrote: »

Personally I never gank a helpless player twice.

My understanding is that you don't get AP from subsequent attacks on the same player.

However I've also heard there is a "revenge" thing, so I clearly don't know all the details.

x48rph · July 7

In imperial city I will just gank anyone who crosses my path because too many times I've been questing and had people try to gank me, or worse yet, pass by people who are obviously questing and have them attack anyway even though I could of killed them ten times over before they saw me so in IC your fair game no matter what. In cyro I never attack questers unless you try to attack me but it's a lot easier to tell questers cause if someone isn't capping flags in towns or using the merchant, they are almost always doing quests cause there's no other reason to be there.

Kavar162 · July 7

I'm in IC a lot and you definitely get to know "the regulars". I feel like once you know each other, even over alliance lines, you learn to respect each other. I have enemies that I just don't attack, we both know what's up lol. At the same time, when I see someone clearly questing and they don't attack me first, no way I'm gonna attack em. Not worth it at all.

Nebthet78 · July 7

I don't gank at all in pvp of any kind. I'm in IC for the event only. I carry no stones with me so if I die, I die. Don't care. No repurcussions.

Spent over two hours for the hell of it one day trolling gankers in the AD Base by the training grounds, just running to the same spot and standing there. That's it... no stones on me.. Just stood there and warned other AD they were there. It's amazing how many players don't pay attention to zone chat when you warn them of gankers and then they call you a spy.. lol.

Let's just say I was easily amused for a while.

gronoxvx · July 7

Depends. If im on my bomber and i see a group, i will bomb unless i see them obviously doing quests or things like fishing etc.

If they arent and its a group, i will bomb them if the opportunity presents itself.

Nebthet78 · July 7

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

TheTwistedRune wrote: »

I am kind of impressed with those PVP players showing restraint by not killing players who they clearly outclass. That is the kind of selfless behaviour the world is sadly lacking these days.

I tip my hat in respect to those players.

Only had that happen once. Was in Imp City PVE'ing, saw a yellow. He saw me. And he just ran by. I was shocked.

Do you remember if that was a Khajhit in the Ruby Throne IC?

thegreat_one wrote: »

Sometimes I just don't want to screw up someones time in Cyro. If they are hunting skyshards or questing and it's painfully obvious i usually let them be. After they finish they usually never want to come back because of the above mentioned behaviors.

I was ganked several times doing Ic quests. Anyone who kept pursuing me had to deal with an overland boss, or i would simply go to the blue districts.

When several Reds ran around killing everything in sight and tbagging, well that is when I just straight up leave.

This is what I partially find funny.... they gank the pver while they are trying to do the quest which ends up putting them back to base if they don't own the district, where they can then dump their remaining tel var.

If they gankers were actually smart, they would leave the pvers alone to do their quest until a little while after they are finished, but continue to watch and follow them.. It will become very obvious when the player is looking for a blood port to get back to base because most of them don't want to sneak through the tunnels. That's when you want to attack them. You'd get a better haul too.

dhboy123 · July 7

Funniest thing I've seen lately is level 45-50 PVP rank players going to non CP and killing questers and low levels.

You know PvP is dead when that is happening.

ImmortalCX · July 7

What is amazing to me is that when I see a small group of opposition, I dodge roll, hit vigor, and run!

Yet, they eventually always catch me.

Sometimes I've been followed across an entire district, such is their bloodlust to gank an obvious pve scrub. Only occasionally have I escaped.

Zenzuki · July 7

I carry few TV and use your gank as a bloodport once I've completed the objective.

Thx for the rapid exitdoor!

Nomadic_Atmoran · July 7

If they are alone and don't seem to be engaging in PvP activity I typically leave them alone. It rather annoys me, particularly during these events, when PvPers go out of their way to target anyone that is obviously not attempting to fight. I do think players should accept the risk of being targeted when in PvP but no one can really help when an event locks tickets behind PvP zones. And PvPers are not doing themselves any favors when harassing PvEers.

ccfeeling · July 7

Pvers have to do some homework before you participate PVP event .

Buy some cheap impen gears at least .

Zenzuki · July 7

When I'm down to actually mess around in IC, I enjoy the random times when someone tries to gank my full heavy Impen 52+K tank and I just...

Really... Did that just happen?!?!

StamPlar_1976 · July 7

I... Kill.... Everyone... I don't care what your intentions are or what perceived etiquette you think I have to follow. Red is dead period. You don't want to get killed, don't go to IC/Cyrodiil. I am under no obligation whatsoever to leave you alone, whether PvPer or PvEer. Yes. I am that one.

Soris · July 7

Doesn't matter if in Cyro or IC, I never attack any player unless they attack me first or are fighting friendlies. But I watch them and I keep their names in mind. If they come back with group to attack me, that is exactly what I want because I am prepared for that as I always build for 1vX in mind. I kill them and rightfully t-bag them which is way better than attack on sight.