No CP has never been worse

Otiz

No skill [snip] where everyone dies to anybody.

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Aeternum113

And the forum threads about this topic are starting to pile up.

Otiz

Hopefully they see that this is dog crap atm. I will not sub for this again

Dr_Ganknstein

I'm doing just fine in no-cp

Aeternum113

Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »

I'm doing just fine in no-cp

Happy for you mate. Sad for all the average players that spend more time running from respawn than actual engaging in fun balanced skirmishes.

Sleep724

What’s your setup that you’re spending more time running out of respawn? With the healing reduction nerf you may have to add a utility set if you haven’t already. It can take time to adjust to certain changes for some people and their builds. Anything other than stamNecro and MagSorc had to change things after Greymoor. Share you’re build and maybe posters here can help.

Kaysha

Don´t go into PvP if you´re afraid to die. Simple.

Aeternum113

Mind blowing, apparently this burst/ult dump one shot meta makes for quality pvp judging by some of the comments here. Well, maybe, if you never played other MMO's perhaps.

Kartalin

Bastion of the heartland with major evasion helps solve a lot of problems. I use it on my bombblade in no cp (medium group not solo bomber) and do well with it. Doesn’t save you from thrassian magsorcs though if they strike first lol.

Ishtharo

If you dont like no CP, go play with crutch points then. Not sure what to tell you. Almost everyone had to adjust their builds.

Aeternum113

Ishtharo wrote: »

If you dont like no CP, go play with crutch points then. Not sure what to tell you. Almost everyone had to adjust their builds.

So I'm assuming this one shot meta is your personal concept of good pvp, so the devs shouldn't change it for a vocal minority/majority who would like to have the damage tuned down a bit to make pvp for a more enjoyable experience where fights last longer than 2 seconds? Ok boss.

SodanTok

Disagree.ESO combat too broken to have compromise between everyone dies quick and nobody ever dies. Current way is preferable.

Fur_like_snow

I’m having a blast this patch but we’ll see what it feels like after the event is over with. Overall I prefer the low TTK. Performance hasn’t been bad except last night when I tried to play in lagmore.

MurderMostFoul

Even with the reduced TTK, if you are getting one-shot, you are doing it wrong.

But a well laid combo on someone who fails to react in time should earn a kill. But usually we are talking around 3 GCDs.

Fawn4287

Ishtharo wrote: »

If you dont like no CP, go play with crutch points then. Not sure what to tell you. Almost everyone had to adjust their builds.

Crutch points is a big lol, I don’t enjoy spending 10k stam to break and roll from DKs fossilise, having 3/5 pieces of final damage on my death feed from proc sets, getting insta killed by 2 snipes and a poison inject or all of the above at once lol, battlegrounds is far too easy to build cheesy for and if you think “class diversity” is bad in CP PvP, no CP is terrible.

Tammany

I love current pvp state much more than endless CP dueling or rocks licking.

Qbiken

Ishtharo wrote: »

If you dont like no CP, go play with crutch points then. Not sure what to tell you. Almost everyone had to adjust their builds.

The fact that CP PvP is actually more balanced than NOCP PvP this patch should tell you something.

Nocp has turned into a pure numbers game where whoever got the most players in a group usually dictates the fights, which is a horrible design btw.

Playing solo in nocp unless you're a magsorc, stamblade, stamden/stamcro is non existent (maybe magblade if you're confident in your cloak/shade). With the addition of unbalanced items such as malacaths ring, thrassian stranglers and overperforming procsets such as venomous smite, nocp is a malfunctioning mess.

Mayrael

Tanky meta!!! Fix it nobody dies ever!!!!111111!!!

ZOS cuts the healing.

Burst meta! I die all the time! Fix it!!!!!!111111

ZOS:

Rianai

Mayrael wrote: »

Tanky meta!!! Fix it nobody dies ever!!!!111111!!!

ZOS cuts the healing.

Burst meta! I die all the time! Fix it!!!!!!111111

ZOS:

That's because ZOS is never adressing the actual issues and instead just making blanket turnarrounds while also adding op gear to sell their dlc. Trying to balance a game looks different.

Mayrael

Rianai wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Tanky meta!!! Fix it nobody dies ever!!!!111111!!!

ZOS cuts the healing.

Burst meta! I die all the time! Fix it!!!!!!111111

ZOS:

That's because ZOS is never adressing the actual issues and instead just making blanket turnarrounds while also adding op gear to sell their dlc. Trying to balance a game looks different.

True, but some players are able to adapt, some are not. I have changed my gear choice since Greymoor completly and still I am having a blast. Yes, there are new challanges, but thats good, I have to develop my setup and skill all the time. I found two new very dangerous types of enemies, but already have a way to fight them. Adapting is the key:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” - Albert Einstein.

Rianai

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

Dorkener

The saddest part of the current meta is how much it rewards builds that condense their offense into a single button. Combo? What combo?
- toppling charge -> sweeps ad nauseum (light up like a christmas tree as Grothdarr / Overwhelming surge go to work)
- injection -> bombard spam (Yay Venomous is ticking)
- steak in and spam rapid strikes... (OK technically they had to buff up with blade cloak and hurricane in advance for Draugrkin to produce unhealable damage but whatever)
- mag dk...
Anyone who's done BGs / IC lately knows this playstyle dominates "noob vs noob" engagements, and even at a more "advanced" level, the counterplay includes either:
- steaking / shading away to recover and re-engage on your terms
- or drop your own bomb in their face as theyre going through their routine and hope you kill them first
If your class / build can't do either, you're boned. Makes the fights (and outcome) predictable and boring.

Oh, maybe something constructive - many of the culprits are AoE. I think it's about time magicka builds (other than NB) got access to (major) Evasion. Stam toons almost instinctively dodge roll after breaking free, for mag in no CP it's a death sentence. Evasion on a mag skill would perhaps grant 1-2 extra GCDs to "do something" while under fire from this procc garbage.

Mayrael

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

I understand you as I hate grinding and rng the most (still can't forget around 100 runs in DoM to not get even 1 auroran destruction stuff)...

But... Antiquities are pretty fine, I've leveled the skill lines in a few hours (while watching Netflix on the other screen) and got desired items next day. It's really not that bad.

Also I have few builds made of my old gear without antiquities and these are still very very viable, just needed to be rebuilt because of changes.

The real loser is not the one who fails 1000 times but the one who gave up after 1st failure.

Aeternum113

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

And let's say we even go the extra mile and adapt, right, we're now able to 2 shot / ult dump everyone. Are we having fun playing pvp in a MMO with the same TTK as a shooter? Obviously this seems to be where the community gets divided, some players get satisfaction out of killing people in 2 seconds and some players don't and would prefer fights to last a bit longer.

Rianai

Mayrael wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

I understand you [...]

No, you don't. But it is ok. Just different mindsets.

Mayrael

Aeternum113 wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

And let's say we even go the extra mile and adapt, right, we're now able to 2 shot / ult dump everyone. Are we having fun playing pvp in a MMO with the same TTK as a shooter? Obviously this seems to be where the community gets divided, some players get satisfaction out of killing people in 2 seconds and some players don't and would prefer fights to last a bit longer.

...and this is just a matter of PoV. For me nothing really changed after Greymoor because I have said I have adapted. If you stick to old setups, then you may be a bit squishier while enemies are a bit more bursty. You say like this is an absolute and only truth for all players, but its not. Actually its hard to tell which group will be bigger, for sure there is more deaths in PvP right now, but I have also experienced a lot of pretty good tanking. Just an example of how this can varry depending on who is observing:

Yesterday I saw 1 vamp magplar tanking and running around some buildings in IC while being attacked by ~10 enemy players. They couldn't kill him for like 2 minutes.

A bit later I've met the same player and killed him 1v1 within 30s. Why? Not because I am such a pro monster, but because when in 1vX scenario he focused on defense, while in 1v1 he was careless thinking he can easly facetank 1 player if something goes wrong. Now was he an extremly tanky player or was he squishy?

Aeternum113

Mayrael wrote: »

Aeternum113 wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

And let's say we even go the extra mile and adapt, right, we're now able to 2 shot / ult dump everyone. Are we having fun playing pvp in a MMO with the same TTK as a shooter? Obviously this seems to be where the community gets divided, some players get satisfaction out of killing people in 2 seconds and some players don't and would prefer fights to last a bit longer.

...and this is just a matter of PoV. For me nothing really changed after Greymoor because I have said I have adapted. If you stick to old setups, then you may be a bit squishier while enemies are a bit more bursty. You say like this is an absolute and only truth for all players, but its not. Actually its hard to tell which group will be bigger, for sure there is more deaths in PvP right now, but I have also experienced a lot of pretty good tanking. Just an example of how this can varry depending on who is observing:

Yesterday I saw 1 vamp magplar tanking and running around some buildings in IC while being attacked by ~10 enemy players. They couldn't kill him for like 2 minutes.

A bit later I've met the same player and killed him 1v1 within 30s. Why? Not because I am such a pro monster, but because when in 1vX scenario he focused on defense, while in 1v1 he was careless thinking he can easly facetank 1 player if something goes wrong. Now was he an extremly tanky player or was he squishy?

So you're saying it's still possible to build tanky and not die in a couple of seconds in a BG nocp environment and still have enough offensive power? If that's the case then I guess it's just a matter of time until everyone starts building like that and the TTK reverts back to acceptable levels. I still haven't played any other MMO where K/D ratios are so bad and people die so much and so quickly and to top it off where the healer role in BG's is non existent so this sort no reaction time TTK feels unpleasant to play with, I suppose it's fine for ESO die hards who haven't tried any different games, sometimes judging by what I read here I get the feeling the ESO community is mainly players that never played any other MMO's that have been in the market for 15+ years and know no different than this.

ThePedge

Malacath and Venomous last patch would have been more balanced.

But the fact is they blanket nerfed healing, which decreases how much damage you can mitigate. Then everyone has more damage at the same time.

Fur_like_snow

Rianai wrote: »

Or maybe some players are not willing to "adapt", because adapting means spending money on some worthless pve content, waste hours on the most boring grind possible, just to be able to play something that is absolutely not fun to play.

How is that different than any other MMO that released a new DLC with new gear? Seems par for the course. Adapt or splat.

eKsDee

SodanTok wrote: »

Disagree.ESO combat too broken to have compromise between everyone dies quick and nobody ever dies. Current way is preferable.

Remove either CP or non-CP, and bring the remaining one closer to a middle ground. CP is in a better spot, while non-CP is leaning too heavily towards damage. It's purely down to Zenimax trying to balance one while ignoring the other, so remove one of them. Not hard.

Dr_Ganknstein

No-cp seems to run better even with full servers which isn't often. I feel like cp pushes certain abilities/classes/sets over the top. In CP my gankblade easily has over 3k crit resist with like 1 impen armor piece.