Have any of you Vampires tried healing? How terrible is it, really?

JMadFour

I'm curious as to how much the Skill Cost Increase has affected your ability to heal in Dungeons and such.

And how you work around it, if need be. Specifically looking at Nightblade Vamps.

And I'm looking for opinions from people who have actually made a Vampire Healer, not just people wailing at the moon over patch notes. In theory, the cost increase sounds pretty bad, I am curious as to how it actually is in practice.

Taleof2Cities

If you're just doing Dungeon content, @JMadFour, you should be fine vamping out any class. Go for it.

Vampire support roles were gutted for competitive content.

Lord-Otto

Stay stage 1. No fire, no feeding, no problem.

JMadFour

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stay stage 1. No fire, no feeding, no problem.

That's what I was thinking. the Cost increase in stage 1 is only 3%. That can be offset, by a decent amount of regen I'd think.

Then when I am doing anything else in the game besides healing, I can play in whatever stage I want.

Now that I am thinking about it, Necro might work better for that, due to having skills that don't cost resources.

Vevvev

I decided to try out healing as a stage 4 vampire. Did very well till I got to the boss that flung around fire... So I went to stage 2 and did it just fine.

You'll want to stay stage 1 when healing as a vampire if you care a lot about sustain and group support. The stage 3 passive can be helpful in terrible situations but the moment your foes use any kind of flame it's not worth it.

I've also used sated fury to empower my healing abilities and it does work for a time, but I don't recommend it. I did run into some hilarious issues where the health returned from sated fury counts as a heal. This can cause you to proc the sentinel monster set at the wrong spot on accident, but can be used to proc things like Hiti.

Lord-Otto

JMadFour wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stay stage 1. No fire, no feeding, no problem.

That's what I was thinking. the Cost increase in stage 1 is only 3%. That can be offset, by a decent amount of regen I'd think.

Then when I am doing anything else in the game besides healing, I can play in whatever stage I want.

Now that I am thinking about it, Necro might work better for that, due to having skills that don't cost resources.

3% really is nothing. Don't need to change classes just because of that. Nor food or something. Only noticeable change was the loss of the bonus regen passive. If your build was fine without vampirism before Greymoor, it'll be fine now with stage 1. And you don't even feel fire anymore!

JMadFour

Lord-Otto wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stay stage 1. No fire, no feeding, no problem.

That's what I was thinking. the Cost increase in stage 1 is only 3%. That can be offset, by a decent amount of regen I'd think.

Then when I am doing anything else in the game besides healing, I can play in whatever stage I want.

Now that I am thinking about it, Necro might work better for that, due to having skills that don't cost resources.

3% really is nothing. Don't need to change classes just because of that. Nor food or something. Only noticeable change was the loss of the bonus regen passive. If your build was fine without vampirism before Greymoor, it'll be fine now with stage 1. And you don't even feel fire anymore!

I've got a NB and a Necro, so either would do. I just think maybe Necro might be better as a healer vamp maybe? eh, maybe I'll give em both a shot and see which I like better. I haven't played my Necro in a while anyway.

Lord-Otto

JMadFour wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Stay stage 1. No fire, no feeding, no problem.

That's what I was thinking. the Cost increase in stage 1 is only 3%. That can be offset, by a decent amount of regen I'd think.

Then when I am doing anything else in the game besides healing, I can play in whatever stage I want.

Now that I am thinking about it, Necro might work better for that, due to having skills that don't cost resources.

3% really is nothing. Don't need to change classes just because of that. Nor food or something. Only noticeable change was the loss of the bonus regen passive. If your build was fine without vampirism before Greymoor, it'll be fine now with stage 1. And you don't even feel fire anymore!

I've got a NB and a Necro, so either would do. I just think maybe Necro might be better as a healer vamp maybe? eh, maybe I'll give em both a shot and see which I like better. I haven't played my Necro in a while anyway.

Yeah, go for what you like best. Both should be perfectly fine.

Algorax

JMadFour wrote: »

I'm curious as to how much the Skill Cost Increase has affected your ability to heal in Dungeons and such.

And how you work around it, if need be. Specifically looking at Nightblade Vamps.

And I'm looking for opinions from people who have actually made a Vampire Healer, not just people wailing at the moon over patch notes. In theory, the cost increase sounds pretty bad, I am curious as to how it actually is in practice.

I can provide some interesting feedback if you are willing to listen to my experience.

I love the blood magic theme, therefore i made 2 characters themed around it: The Scarlet Duchess (Healer) and The Scarlet Duke (DD).

Although they are both nightblades, and they are both being used mostly in pvp, only the DD is allowed to be vampire.
The reason for this is because the vampirism adds no benetif of any sort to your healing capabilities. In fact you have only only blood frenzy and its morphs which can boost your healing but you become so vulnerable during that time that you are either forced to toggle it off quite fast or suffer an increasing dot on you and the doinside that no ally may save your arse.
Remaining at stage 1 is also useless since the highest perks would remain unexplotable and you don't want to use the "Perfect Scion" ultimate to reach stage 5 when you may use your ultimate to heal.

Your healing capabilities are therefore hindered by becoming a vampire: i suggest you to instead roll a blood healer, (nightblade healer). You basically wear heavy armor and rely on nightblade abilities only. Since your main heal, Shrewd offering, consumes health instead of magika, your higher health pool gives you major survivability along with a neverending resource pool which will make you an unstoppable healing machine.

On the other side vampirism can lead to some interesting builds for Damage dealers, but only if someone decides to really embrace vampirism. In fact you NEED the cost reduction perks higher vampirism levels grants in order to use vampire abilities more efficiently and, if you manage to find an equilibrium, you can reach a point where your damage exceedes the average while also retaining an unparallelled self heal capability.
This last approach to vampirism is quite hard to acheive since it would imply going melee to properly damage an enemy and you would be forced to chose between an heavy armored dd, whith higher health pool to spam your abilities safer and more often, or glass cannon light armored dd.

Afterall, noone ever said that being a vampire was easy...

Deathlord92

I like what there going for with vampire but I think the skill line still needs a lot of work. Not sure about healers but I made it work on my stamblade.

PieMaster1

Someone tell me, how the hell am i supposed to heal at vampire stage 4 as a sorc? -100% regen, seriously? I mean absolutely no regen at all, i die in 3 hits to everything. I also can’t reduce my stage without AFKing for hours apparently.

I just wanted the 2nd passive for running invis (3 seconds instead of 6) which made me take stage 4. This really sucks

Glurin

Decided to try healing as a stage 4 vampire, so I pricked my finger with a sewing needle and promptly bled to death.

peacenote

I tried it. I felt it was awful. I cured it. I tried on a templar and warden healer.

I found that the loss of the 3% and Supernatural Recovery was too much in active content. I could "feel" my natural pace being hampered the same way I can feel it when my food runs out.

I think you probably could make it work if you're willing to sacrifice spell damage enchants on your jewelry and trade your thief mundus for the atronarch... but why? There is no advantage to staying vampire and you are just making it so the damage you're contributing is less.

If you don't do vet trials and you only support without trying to provide supplemental damage you may not notice a difference with your build but I find that boring.

BaiterOfZergs

Well in pvp I tried it out on my stamplar and found the downsides not worth it especially in no cp with healing nerfed.

Sephyr

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Someone tell me, how the hell am i supposed to heal at vampire stage 4 as a sorc? -100% regen, seriously? I mean absolutely no regen at all, i die in 3 hits to everything. I also can’t reduce my stage without AFKing for hours apparently.

I just wanted the 2nd passive for running invis (3 seconds instead of 6) which made me take stage 4. This really sucks

Purified Bloody Mara will reduce your vampirism stage.

Lord-Otto

Glurin wrote: »

Decided to try healing as a stage 4 vampire, so I pricked my finger with a sewing needle and promptly bled to death.

Are you a ghost?
(>~<)

JMadFour

CreamedPieYum wrote: »

Someone tell me, how the hell am i supposed to heal at vampire stage 4 as a sorc? -100% regen, seriously? I mean absolutely no regen at all, i die in 3 hits to everything. I also can’t reduce my stage without AFKing for hours apparently.

I just wanted the 2nd passive for running invis (3 seconds instead of 6) which made me take stage 4. This really sucks

Don't heal at stage 4. I only really go stage 4 when I am soloing, tbh.

Buy Purified Bloody Maras from a Guild Trader (or make em yourself if you have the Provisioning) and drink em before you go into the dungeon to reduce your Vampire Stage.