Summer 2020 Midyear Mayhem: Spreading out ticket sources takes away player choice

code65536

With previous Midyear Mayhem events, you earned tickets with Cyrodiil daily quests (including kill quests), Battleground daily quests, OR IC daily quests.

With the summer 2020 event, Cyrodiil/BG quests only grant half the allotment of tickets, and IC quests grant the other half.

• This means that players who prefer overland or BGs PvP are now being forced into IC (which is a very different style of play which is often more PvE than PvP).
• This means that players who prefer to spend their time in IC are now being forced into overland or BGs.

This is a terrible change, @ZOS_BrianWheeler. Personally, I prefer BGs and hate IC and overland Cyrodiil. For the previous Midyear Mayhem, I was able to get my tickets from just playing the form of PvP that I like, and not be forced into doing a specific form of "PvP" (and I use that term loosely, because I think most would agree that IC is more about PvE than PvP and Cyrodiil is often more about PvDoor than PvP).

And I imagine that for players who strongly prefer IC, that this is just as unwelcome of a change as it is for players who strongly dislike IC.

Jayne_Doe

From the perspective of someone who hates PvP and only goes into Cyro during MYM, this change isn't all that great, either.

However, since they've unlocked the IC dailies from the get go, it is much easier now to get in there and do those dailies. So I might try some of the district dailies since they really are PvE quests (as far as I understand it - never been into IC), just with the danger of running into enemy players. Which is really no different than the town dailies I do in Cyro for the event tickets, correct?

dhboy123

I am surprised they are even running the event with how bad PVP runs.

redgreensunset

@Jayne_Doe (and everyone else who is not an IC fan). Go into IC today, tomorrow or Wednesday and do all the dailies on one, preferably two, characters, then don't turn them in, save them for event start. The event lasts about 12/13 days (depending on if you can squeeze something in on the last day or not), so that should cover you for the event. It's what I plan, I love Cyrodiil but I hate IC.

Dusk_Coven

Looks like ZOS is trying to spread us out to show all content is "popular".
That's what Antiquities did too.

PizzaCat82

Spreading out ticket events means that any one activity will not have the full amount of people farming it. This is good at least from a lag perspective. It wont actually make much difference in the game as the quests in IC or Cyro aren't even close to being the hardest on lag or latency.

However spreading out the tickets means you'll spend more time doing them each day instead of doing lag intensive things, like farming bosses in IC or raiding keeps in Cyro. Which means those without enough time to grind away will be forced over into the "buy tickets" shop which they've been inching people towards for the past couple years now.

Alomar

Of all the broken, exploitable, bugged, not working, not communicated, and abandoned things about ESO pvp....you complain about some daily tickets?

butterrum222

IC needs love too

SeaGtGruff

I've already got a Nascent Indrik waiting to be evolved, plus all four feathers for summoning another one, so all I need tickets for are the berries, the pet, and any additional stuff the Impresario has to offer. I should be okay even if I can collect only half of the tickets each day, although I'll try for all of them.

But I can definitely see why novice players, and veteran players who are strongly allergic to PvP, might be upset about this.

Hopefully someone will post a helpful guide about the IC dailies to help those of us who've never done one.

tsaescishoeshiner

Letting people get 2 tickets from battlegrounds OR IC OR Cyrodiil would split up the playerbase and reduce lag a little bit. Instead, everyone's gotta do IC and BG/Cyro

Edit: I guess you don't "gotta" do both unless you wanna buy Indrik bits or style pages but. Event Tickets ARE the incentive for this event

SydneyGrey

I enjoy PvP sometimes, but I hate Imperial City. Bad change, ZOS.
Guess I'll only be getting 2 tickets a day, because I'd rather stab forks in my own eyeballs than do IC.

gatekeeper13

Looks like the period of the event is when I ll take a break from Cyro. Performance is gonna be a nightmare and gameplay total trash with huge zergs everywhere.

Darkenarlol

it is gonna be a nightmare

pure slavery - miserable and hopeless

i'll try to skip as much as i can but

sadly we have good rewards =/

KaGaOri

Maybe stupid beginner question, but the zone story questline in IC needs to be completed first, before one can do the dailies there, correct? And you have to do those quests (and then the dailies) while both mobs and other players are gunning for you? And you loose resources if you die too? Like ... thanks, but no thanks. Gues I'll just stick to the battlegrounds. Twelve days = 24 event tickets. That should cover me for the last two berries for new indrik and the matching pet will have to wait till next time.

ddgsodium

IC daily quests are extremely easy to complete though...

SeaGtGruff

KaGaOri wrote: »

Maybe stupid beginner question, but the zone story questline in IC needs to be completed first, before one can do the dailies there, correct? And you have to do those quests (and then the dailies) while both mobs and other players are gunning for you? And you loose resources if you die too? Like ... thanks, but no thanks. Gues I'll just stick to the battlegrounds. Twelve days = 24 event tickets. That should cover me for the last two berries for new indrik and the matching pet will have to wait till next time.

I think they're changing it so you can start doing the dailies without having to complete the zone questline first.

As for losing resources if you die, the only thing you'll lose is half of any Tel Var stones you've got on you. So if you don't have any Tel Var on you, or don't care about whether or not you lose it, you're fine. But the smart thing to do would be to queue for a Cyrodiil campaign as soon as you complete an IC daily, then immediately visit the bank to deposit any Tel Var stones you've got on you.

Danikat

I'm pretty sure a big part of the purpose of the entire event system is to get players doing things they wouldn't normally do. This is just refining that approach - instead of simply encouraging PvE players into some form of PvP (reversed in other events of course, where PvP players have to play PvE to get tickets) they're now encouraging everyone into different forms of PvP as well.

If you don't like the idea my advice is:
1) Try it anyway to see how it goes. You might find something which is quick/easy enough that it's worth the hassle for the tickets.
2) Think seriously about which rewards you actually want, and how many tickets it will take to get them. You might find you're able to either skip some quests you don't like or even stick to your prefered mode if you're not simply aiming to get as many tickets as possible.

Mr_Walker

code65536 wrote: »

With previous Midyear Mayhem events, you earned tickets with Cyrodiil daily quests (including kill quests), Battleground daily quests, OR IC daily quests.

With the summer 2020 event, Cyrodiil/BG quests only grant half the allotment of tickets, and IC quests grant the other half.

• This means that players who prefer overland or BGs PvP are now being forced into IC (which is a very different style of play which is often more PvE than PvP).
• This means that players who prefer to spend their time in IC are now being forced into overland or BGs.

This is a terrible change, @ZOS_BrianWheeler. Personally, I prefer BGs and hate IC and overland Cyrodiil. For the previous Midyear Mayhem, I was able to get my tickets from just playing the form of PvP that I like, and not be forced into doing a specific form of "PvP" (and I use that term loosely, because I think most would agree that IC is more about PvE than PvP and Cyrodiil is often more about PvDoor than PvP).

And I imagine that for players who strongly prefer IC, that this is just as unwelcome of a change as it is for players who strongly dislike IC.

You can do one of the IC quests in literally <2 mins. Plus, there'll be plenty of PvP in IC during the event.

ImmortalCX

So the reward for all this, for playing PVP for two weeks straight, is just being able to evolve an Indrik?

Are there any other perks?

luen79rwb17_ESO

This ticket thing should be handed on a drop menu like daily login and save us the redious tasks!!

Sephyr

ImmortalCX wrote: »

So the reward for all this, for playing PVP for two weeks straight, is just being able to evolve an Indrik?

Are there any other perks?

Aside from outfit styles, nope. Billy Mays couldn't even sell me group repair kits.

MartiniDaniels

ImmortalCX wrote: »

So the reward for all this, for playing PVP for two weeks straight, is just being able to evolve an Indrik?

Are there any other perks?

2nd legion style, which looks pretty amazing in preview. Those pants and chainmail, we were waiting for them god knows how long (first was in preview year ago on PTS)

technohic

I have to stick with the same logic I give PvEers every year in that they are not FORCED to do anything. They don't HAVE TO get the tickets. I just do what I always do, and that is my own thing. Anything extra I get, is just that. Extra.

peacenote

code65536 wrote: »

With previous Midyear Mayhem events, you earned tickets with Cyrodiil daily quests (including kill quests), Battleground daily quests, OR IC daily quests.

With the summer 2020 event, Cyrodiil/BG quests only grant half the allotment of tickets, and IC quests grant the other half.

• This means that players who prefer overland or BGs PvP are now being forced into IC (which is a very different style of play which is often more PvE than PvP).
• This means that players who prefer to spend their time in IC are now being forced into overland or BGs.

This is a terrible change, @ZOS_BrianWheeler. Personally, I prefer BGs and hate IC and overland Cyrodiil. For the previous Midyear Mayhem, I was able to get my tickets from just playing the form of PvP that I like, and not be forced into doing a specific form of "PvP" (and I use that term loosely, because I think most would agree that IC is more about PvE than PvP and Cyrodiil is often more about PvDoor than PvP).

And I imagine that for players who strongly prefer IC, that this is just as unwelcome of a change as it is for players who strongly dislike IC.

Let's not forget that for those of us who play with friends, BGs are ruined so if for some reason Cyro isn't an option, now pursuing those tickets is a forced solo activity as well.

I agree that I think this is a negative change, and while to some it may only be "indrik event tickets" I think it illustrates a broader problem of inconsistency with direction. "Play how you want" while encouraging exploration into all aspects of the game is a tightrope that ZOS walks frequently. Sometimes it's done well, and sometimes it misses the mark.

For example, the anniversary event this year gave you three tickets for eating cake, and then allowed you to obtain anniversary boxes with any daily. The article said, and I quote directly "With dailies for almost every unique activity, how you earn your Jubilee Gift Boxes is completely up to you." This was a fantastic change and was so much more enjoyable than the year before, where boxes dropped from different activities in different weeks.

It is a much better strategy to introduce cross-game-play-mode incentives for permanent content (like Antiquities) because people can pursue these at their leisure. With limited events, there's already the idea that one should "play now to not miss out!" and they typically are either PvP or PvE focused, requiring players who only like one side to venture to the other. Two attempted-influence-to-player-behavior methods per event is enough! Also, ZOS knows that most people choose the most efficient method possible to grind their tickets so they can get on to other content. If this is an attempt to spread people out in the hopes that performance will be "OK" it's a recipe for double disaster, because that means probably performance will be horrible and people will be bitter, feeling they are being forced into a less fun method of play (for them) while trying to get tickets on work days when they don't normally play while STILL likely experiencing incredible lag. Bad, bad idea. Give folks some flexibility so they can pick their poison, at least.

As my own devil's advocate I will point out that this is ironically exactly the same argument people use when PvP rewards are gated behind PvE content and vice versa ("I want to play what I like") but given the state of PvP right now, and the fact that it's a limited time event, AND the fact that we've experienced this event year after year and have a certain expectation about its flexibility, it seems not only a bridge too far to force this but also is a step backwards from the progress made in the Anniversary event. Encourage us to explore the world, but don't do it in a way that requires PvP'ers to choose participate in all modes for the event. This would be like changing the Undaunted event so folks could only get one ticket from a normal dungeon, one ticket from a vet non-DLC dungeon, and one ticket from a vet DLC dungeon to be able to get all three tickets in the event.

And. Responses like "no one is forcing you to do content" or "if you don't like it, don't do it" just side step the issue. The events are for the community to participate in. The idea is that they should be desirable. They should bring players who weren't logging in back. They should entice players to log in more than normal to obtain the rewards or have the experience. They are supposed to revitalize areas of the game. That is the point. If they are halfway successful (players want to participate for the rewards) but then fail in execution (players HATE what they have to do for the reward) people will have that "I'm forced" feeling. It's not the player's fault for not being able to resist playing and is kind of blaming the victim. :P

VaranisArano

I really dislike ZOS putting event tickets in Imperial City without reintroducing a Below 50 campaign. We've got Below 50 Cyrodiil and Battlegrounds, but no option for Imperial City.

Like, I'm sure some experienced PVPers would have rolled lowbie characters to farm that campaign, but at least new players wouldn't be thrown against Level 50 players with CP 160 gear in the No CP campaign.

xXMeowMeowXx

butterrum222 wrote: »

IC needs love too

Yes it does butterrum and bombs, plenty of bombs 👻 🤣

Arunei

@peacenote
Just wanted to point out that the only reason last year's Jubilee was set up the way it was with four weeks being limited to certain content for drops was because that was the fifth year anniversary and it lined up with the Five Companions. The way they handled it this year, where any repeatable daily got you the boxes for two weeks, is the way it's normally done and has been for every other Jubilee save last year's.

DaveMoeDee

peacenote wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

With previous Midyear Mayhem events, you earned tickets with Cyrodiil daily quests (including kill quests), Battleground daily quests, OR IC daily quests.

With the summer 2020 event, Cyrodiil/BG quests only grant half the allotment of tickets, and IC quests grant the other half.

• This means that players who prefer overland or BGs PvP are now being forced into IC (which is a very different style of play which is often more PvE than PvP).
• This means that players who prefer to spend their time in IC are now being forced into overland or BGs.

This is a terrible change, @ZOS_BrianWheeler. Personally, I prefer BGs and hate IC and overland Cyrodiil. For the previous Midyear Mayhem, I was able to get my tickets from just playing the form of PvP that I like, and not be forced into doing a specific form of "PvP" (and I use that term loosely, because I think most would agree that IC is more about PvE than PvP and Cyrodiil is often more about PvDoor than PvP).

And I imagine that for players who strongly prefer IC, that this is just as unwelcome of a change as it is for players who strongly dislike IC.

Let's not forget that for those of us who play with friends, BGs are ruined so if for some reason Cyro isn't an option, now pursuing those tickets is a forced solo activity as well.

I agree that I think this is a negative change, and while to some it may only be "indrik event tickets" I think it illustrates a broader problem of inconsistency with direction. "Play how you want" while encouraging exploration into all aspects of the game is a tightrope that ZOS walks frequently. Sometimes it's done well, and sometimes it misses the mark.

For example, the anniversary event this year gave you three tickets for eating cake, and then allowed you to obtain anniversary boxes with any daily. The article said, and I quote directly "With dailies for almost every unique activity, how you earn your Jubilee Gift Boxes is completely up to you." This was a fantastic change and was so much more enjoyable than the year before, where boxes dropped from different activities in different weeks.

It is a much better strategy to introduce cross-game-play-mode incentives for permanent content (like Antiquities) because people can pursue these at their leisure. With limited events, there's already the idea that one should "play now to not miss out!" and they typically are either PvP or PvE focused, requiring players who only like one side to venture to the other. Two attempted-influence-to-player-behavior methods per event is enough! Also, ZOS knows that most people choose the most efficient method possible to grind their tickets so they can get on to other content. If this is an attempt to spread people out in the hopes that performance will be "OK" it's a recipe for double disaster, because that means probably performance will be horrible and people will be bitter, feeling they are being forced into a less fun method of play (for them) while trying to get tickets on work days when they don't normally play while STILL likely experiencing incredible lag. Bad, bad idea. Give folks some flexibility so they can pick their poison, at least.

As my own devil's advocate I will point out that this is ironically exactly the same argument people use when PvP rewards are gated behind PvE content and vice versa ("I want to play what I like") but given the state of PvP right now, and the fact that it's a limited time event, AND the fact that we've experienced this event year after year and have a certain expectation about its flexibility, it seems not only a bridge too far to force this but also is a step backwards from the progress made in the Anniversary event. Encourage us to explore the world, but don't do it in a way that requires PvP'ers to choose participate in all modes for the event. This would be like changing the Undaunted event so folks could only get one ticket from a normal dungeon, one ticket from a vet non-DLC dungeon, and one ticket from a vet DLC dungeon to be able to get all three tickets in the event.

And. Responses like "no one is forcing you to do content" or "if you don't like it, don't do it" just side step the issue. The events are for the community to participate in. The idea is that they should be desirable. They should bring players who weren't logging in back. They should entice players to log in more than normal to obtain the rewards or have the experience. They are supposed to revitalize areas of the game. That is the point. If they are halfway successful (players want to participate for the rewards) but then fail in execution (players HATE what they have to do for the reward) people will have that "I'm forced" feeling. It's not the player's fault for not being able to resist playing and is kind of blaming the victim. :P

Play as you want isn't compatible with FOMO. Don't worry about not getting every indrik and you don't have to do events that don't appeal to you.

KaGaOri

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

KaGaOri wrote: »

Maybe stupid beginner question, but the zone story questline in IC needs to be completed first, before one can do the dailies there, correct? And you have to do those quests (and then the dailies) while both mobs and other players are gunning for you? And you loose resources if you die too? Like ... thanks, but no thanks. Gues I'll just stick to the battlegrounds. Twelve days = 24 event tickets. That should cover me for the last two berries for new indrik and the matching pet will have to wait till next time.

I think they're changing it so you can start doing the dailies without having to complete the zone questline first.

As for losing resources if you die, the only thing you'll lose is half of any Tel Var stones you've got on you. So if you don't have any Tel Var on you, or don't care about whether or not you lose it, you're fine. But the smart thing to do would be to queue for a Cyrodiil campaign as soon as you complete an IC daily, then immediately visit the bank to deposit any Tel Var stones you've got on you.

Thank you. Have checked and apparently I'm somehow proud owner of over 9000 (it's over nine thousand! ) Tel Var stones . If there's no need to do the zone quest first, I gues I'll try the dailies. Banking the stones first, though , at least for now. No need to sponsor experienced PvPers while running around like headless chicken, wondering where to go.

idk

dhboy123 wrote: »

I am surprised they are even running the event with how bad PVP runs.

People complained heavily when they canceled MYM a couple of years ago (maybe that was last year). That was because of the very problematic GF.

technohic

idk wrote: »

dhboy123 wrote: »

I am surprised they are even running the event with how bad PVP runs.

People complained heavily when they canceled MYM a couple of years ago (maybe that was last year). That was because of the very problematic GF.

It was last summer. Then we had the not-so-midyear mayhem this past winter. Right before the game went to hell.