How is this even allowed within Battlegrounds?

dhboy123 · June 19

Battlegrounds is a 4 vs 4 vs 4 game where obviously on certain goals such as Chaosball or Domination having less people severely hinders your change of actually winning.

How is it possible for it to be 2 vs 4 vs 4? The game isn't class locked or faction locked so it really baffles me how the game can start with one team being 2 players down compared to another, I can appreciate a 3 man team starting the game but 2 man is ridiculous.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please confirm that this is clearly a bug or something that should not be happening?

BG is last resort for some people playing PVP who can't deal with the sub par performance of Cyrodill so to have issues like this is disheartening.

dhboy123 · June 19

100 views no response, guess this shows how dead BG and PvP is.

gabormezo · June 19

I'd call this a feature. It was way much worse back then. If players quit when match starts, there is a call for replacements. When that call doesn't work by some reason, there are two choices: let the match going or wait indefinitely. Believe me the wait one was much annoying choice than the current one. Atleast you can play and don't get deserted penalty for leaving the infinite wait hell.

Imho the pvp is not dead, I play this game just for the battlegrounds. It's incredibly fun when it works, and the population and balance is good enough atm.

dhboy123 · June 19

gabormezo wrote: »

I'd call this a feature. It was way much worse back then. If players quit when match starts, there is a call for replacements. When that call doesn't work by some reason, there are two choices: let the match going or wait indefinitely. Believe me the wait one was much annoting choice than the currenr one. Atleast you can play and don't get deserted penalty for leaving the infinite wait hell.

Imho the pvp is not dead, I play this game just for the battlegrounds. It's incredibly fun when it works, and the population and balance is good enough atm.

How can you play this game just for BG? no offence but there are so many more MMO's out there with a better PVP and arena systems.

I enjoy the old 3/4 battleground games but lately I have noticed 1/2 games are uneven. There also seems to be a massive skill difference between the good and bad players. I constantly see 1-2 people dominating and 1-2 people not doing anything, there is never a medium.

But hey.. I don't expect a change anytime soon, ZOS have alot more things on their plate to deal with.

PeterUnlustig · June 19

This happens, when someone ports while accepting the battleground que. The game will port him to his location in alot of cases, while also thinking he's in the battleground for some minutes. Only after a while you will end up with a full team

Dusk_Coven · June 19

gabormezo wrote: »

If players quit when match starts, there is a call for replacements. When that call doesn't work by some reason

Since everyone has to queue solo, it's interesting that trying to fill the spots would fail for the duration of the match. Assuming that the programming isn't flawed, it suggests there were no qualified candidates left in the queue.
And then there's the question of why players quit when the match starts.

dhboy123 · June 19

PeterUnlustig wrote: »

This happens, when someone ports while accepting the battleground que. The game will port him to his location in alot of cases, while also thinking he's in the battleground for some minutes. Only after a while you will end up with a full team

We didn't get a third person until we were 250 points behind, makes the whole BG pointless and uneven.

Freakin_Hytte · June 19

dhboy123 wrote: »

100 views no response, guess this shows how dead BG and PvP is.

I don't really think it have anything with pvp being dead or not. This forum have had so many of these threads with no response from zos, so people are just tired of even discussing this for the hundred time.

Nothing will change anyway, zos obviously don't care about pvp and never will.

colossalvoids · June 19

The thing that baffles me is that zos said multiple times that it's fixed yet it's clearly not (or maybe we're just are "some players are having issues" again) and while Cyro is still a joke this [snip] happens.

VoluptaBox · June 19

They've explained how it happens (as gabormezo explained in the 3rd post). It's not idea, but it's a solution for ridiculous queue times. I very much agree that it's very annoying when it happens, but thankfully it's not that often.

Sotha_Sil · June 19

I have stopped doing BG because of it. I think this was the last nail in the coffin of PVP for me.

dhboy123 · June 19

VoluptaBox wrote: »

They've explained how it happens (as gabormezo explained in the 3rd post). It's not idea, but it's a solution for ridiculous queue times. I very much agree that it's very annoying when it happens, but thankfully it's not that often.

You think it doesn't happen alot but if you take into account how often it happens to every team it is probably 1 in 2 matches.

BalticBlues · June 19

I also saw this happening and it just SUCKS having no chance to win the game at all. In such situations ZOS should BETTER start a game with ONLY TWO FULL teams instead of a game with a third CRIPPLE team as cannonfodder.

Firstmep · June 19

dhboy123 wrote: »

100 views no response, guess this shows how dead BG and PvP is.

This has been happening for years, with no fix in sight.
When someone declines the queue invite the system puts the rest of the people from the same invite into the bg, even if a replacement is not found.
It's likely that the system places people in groups based on queue position, basically even if there is another person who could be used as replacement, that person may have been assigned to another team, even before their bg starts.

Fur_like_snow · June 19

dhboy123 wrote: »

100 views no response, guess this shows how dead BG and PvP is.

Maybe because you see threads like this all the time with no response from ZoS. You don’t have to like or enjoy a game mode but to say it’s dead when I get instant queue pop every night is just wrong and misleading.

relentless_turnip · June 19

I quite like the challenge. Don't get me wrong most the time you lose, but when you win it feels so good. I don't get too annoyed about it, as op said there are more broken things currently. I attempted a cc break 5 times in a row last night 😂

dhboy123 · June 19

Firstmep wrote: »

dhboy123 wrote: »

100 views no response, guess this shows how dead BG and PvP is.

This has been happening for years, with no fix in sight.
When someone declines the queue invite the system puts the rest of the people from the same invite into the bg, even if a replacement is not found.
It's likely that the system places people in groups based on queue position, basically even if there is another person who could be used as replacement, that person may have been assigned to another team, even before their bg starts.

Wow, I suppose I won't get a response from @ZOS_GinaBruno then.

Appo · June 19

Yeh in flag/relics etc its a huge disadvantage, idm it too much in deathmatch as it makes it a challenge, its great when u win with 3 iv even had few wins with 2 but i agree the other match types it makes it too hard.

dhboy123 · June 19

played another 8/9 games tonight, I would say 1/3 of them I was in a team of 3 vs 4 vs 4.

Stopping BG for now and moving to another PVP game.

kaisernick · June 19

In the last 10 seconds the game should move playes to ensure the teams are as even as they can be, or handicapped teams need a boost because as annoying as the infinate wait was, this solution is worse when your vastly outnumberd.

dhboy123 · June 19

kaisernick wrote: »

In the last 10 seconds the game should move playes to ensure the teams are as even as they can be, or handicapped teams need a boost because as annoying as the infinate wait was, this solution is worse when your vastly outnumberd.

Such an easy fix as well, not sure why it hasn't been implemented. But as you can see from various posts above, ZOS are ignoring the issue.

TineaCruris · June 19

This is one of the more frustrating thing that happens for sure. If a team is down even one player for more than about a minute, it becomes almost impossible to make up the difference even if you're lucky enough to get a full team before the match ends.

I'm no coder, but how hard is it to make it so the match doesn't start until all the teams are full?

mairwen85 · June 19

It's almost as if it was designed with group queuing in mind 🤷

yodased · June 19

TineaCruris wrote: »

This is one of the more frustrating thing that happens for sure. If a team is down even one player for more than about a minute, it becomes almost impossible to make up the difference even if you're lucky enough to get a full team before the match ends.

I'm no coder, but how hard is it to make it so the match doesn't start until all the teams are full?

That can lead to infinite wait times as it tries to match players based on rudimentary match making rating.

There is logic involved in the match making if there wasn't you would have very unfair matches so it's not just match 12 players and a game it's match 12 players within [x specification] if those specifications don't exist for 12 players after Y time the game starts with 10 or 8 or whatever.

It's lopsided but less lopsided than with 4 wolves on one side and 8 sheep on the others.

If there were millions of players queued for battlegrounds this system works perfectly. It breaks down more the lower the pool of players gets.

redgreensunset · June 19

dhboy123 wrote: »

VoluptaBox wrote: »

They've explained how it happens (as gabormezo explained in the 3rd post). It's not idea, but it's a solution for ridiculous queue times. I very much agree that it's very annoying when it happens, but thankfully it's not that often.

You think it doesn't happen alot but if you take into account how often it happens to every team it is probably 1 in 2 matches.

I've only recently taken to playing BGs, mostly to see if it's a thing I might enjoy, and I swear that at least half my matches have one team with less than full number of players, sometimes mine, sometimes another. It is beyond annoying.

Yamenstein · June 19

Zos only reply when it's a widespread issue or it's costing them money my friend.

This is working as well as they intended and any fixes to it will be lumped with all other general fixes to the game. When they will come? Who knows. If it'll fix things? Time will tell.

Hanokihs · June 19

Yeah nah, this is still better than 30mins to an hour of repeated "SOMEONE DECLINED THE INVITE" notifications popping up, and never getting to play at all.

Also remember that not everyone plays pvp for the sake of pvp. There are armor sets, skills, style pages, dye colors, and a currency tied to going into pvp areas, and for battlegrounds, you still get (shots at) all those rewards even if the match is lopsided and you lose. If most players are grinding, nobody cares enough to send actual bug reports about it, and therefore, the devs never have a reason to go in and take a look at or tweak the system.

Complaining on the forums doesn't do anyone any good. Make a ticket if you actually care. The more tickets, the better the matchmaking will eventually become.

Algorax · June 19

Many of you here seems to be new or to have forgotten how it was not so long time ago, where you could join bugged matches which never reached the amount of players needed to begin, no matter the time spent waiting.

Now the system is smoother, faster. It is not perfect, but it is bearable.
There are still major issues, like still allowing below cp 160 players to join the major leagues, but you can still play a BG even when you lack players (sometimes i manage to win in 3 even against 2 full enemy teams in every scenario).
I agree that it is still disfuncional and that it should be solved, but still we do not need to be so vocal about it...

gabormezo · June 19

dhboy123 wrote: »

gabormezo wrote: »

I'd call this a feature. It was way much worse back then. If players quit when match starts, there is a call for replacements. When that call doesn't work by some reason, there are two choices: let the match going or wait indefinitely. Believe me the wait one was much annoting choice than the currenr one. Atleast you can play and don't get deserted penalty for leaving the infinite wait hell.

Imho the pvp is not dead, I play this game just for the battlegrounds. It's incredibly fun when it works, and the population and balance is good enough atm.

How can you play this game just for BG? no offence but there are so many more MMO's out there with a better PVP and arena systems.

I enjoy the old 3/4 battleground games but lately I have noticed 1/2 games are uneven. There also seems to be a massive skill difference between the good and bad players. I constantly see 1-2 people dominating and 1-2 people not doing anything, there is never a medium.

But hey.. I don't expect a change anytime soon, ZOS have alot more things on their plate to deal with.

Well, I like the gameplay of Smite more. But I really miss the concept of collecting your own gear. Someone might call that grinding but its very well implemented in this game imho.

GW2 can be fun, but I don't like their overcomplicated class mechanics. You play against your class not your opponents.

What left? I don't stand isonetric stuff like Dota. Shooting things is not my style of play. Korean style games are for perverts. So I decided to get back to ESO after a long break. This game became way much better than was when I left.

tsaescishoeshiner · June 19

If teams starting with 2 players means we'll never get the non-starting battlegrounds bug (where everyone is trapped at spawn point and the game never starts because it's waiting for more people), then I'm all for it.

They've been making improvements to battlegrounds consistently firing and doing so with fuller teams, and I hope we keep seeing improvements.

Alomar · June 19

BG’s have always been littered with bugs, as with all ESO pvp features. BG/MMR performance is so bad they had to remove groups from a group feature in an mmo...It doesn’t get anymore embarrassing