VMA weapon question (Cruel Flurry)

Cortimi

Ok, very simple question:
Does the Cruel Flurry set bonus (which adds weapon damage to the next single target DoT) proc the next use of Flurry (which is a single target DoT)? I have a feeling the answer is "no, because single target DoTs aren't all really single target DoTs and consistency is really more of a 'guideline' ", but figured I would ask before wasting time in Maelstrom.

FrancisCrawford

Cortimi wrote: »

Ok, very simple question:
Does the Cruel Flurry set bonus (which adds weapon damage to the next single target DoT) proc the next use of Flurry (which is a single target DoT)? I have a feeling the answer is "no, because single target DoTs aren't all really single target DoTs and consistency is really more of a 'guideline' ", but figured I would ask before wasting time in Maelstrom.

My first Maelstrom drops were all Cruel Flurry, and that possibility didn't occur to me. I hope the answer is "yes".

By the way, it's more than just the "next" DoT now. If the site you're using says that, use a different site.

daemonor

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Cortimi

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

My first Maelstrom drops were all Cruel Flurry, and that possibility didn't occur to me. I hope the answer is "yes".

By the way, it's more than just the "next" DoT now. If the site you're using says that, use a different site.

I probably misread it, but went to a new site anyways. This one matches in game. So every indication says...it should?

Stx

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Since when? Rapid strikes used to be classified as a dot and would not proc sets like selenes, but would proc sets like skoria. It wasnt even considered a melee attack.

Was this changed?

Kadoin

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Can confirm this is true.

You can check by using sets that proc off direct damage, one such set is Senchal Defender and it stacks when using flurry.

daemonor

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Rapid+Strikes

can check this site out for any ability. it works with deadly strike set since it's a channeled ability tho.

Cortimi

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Dude, I hate you for being right. Confirmed by fiddling with CP, Thermatauge doesn't do diddly for it.

Ugh, then why in the 9 hell's does it have the same DoT orange damage text as every other dot.....

FrancisCrawford

daemonor wrote: »

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Rapid+Strikes

can check this site out for any ability. it works with deadly strike set since it's a channeled ability tho.

Fextralife was my go-to site for years. But I would NOT recommend it now for accuracy. Not at all.

idk

daemonor wrote: »

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Rapid+Strikes

can check this site out for any ability. it works with deadly strike set since it's a channeled ability tho.

Fextralife is not always accurate. I have seen it provide the wrong tooltip information for a skill over a month after Zos had made the change.

daemonor

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Rapid+Strikes

can check this site out for any ability. it works with deadly strike set since it's a channeled ability tho.

Cortimi wrote: »

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Dude, I hate you for being right. Confirmed by fiddling with CP, Thermatauge doesn't do diddly for it.

Ugh, then why in the 9 hell's does it have the same DoT orange damage text as every other dot.....

my condolences

deLioncourt

Cortimi wrote: »

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Dude, I hate you for being right. Confirmed by fiddling with CP, Thermatauge doesn't do diddly for it.

Ugh, then why in the 9 hell's does it have the same DoT orange damage text as every other dot.....

Messing with Thaumaturge effects my bloodthirst dmg. Took all the pts out and it was hitting for around 3k max. Put all the points back and I was hitting for 4-5k.

Thaumaturge effects bloodthirst.

Truewavesound

I’ve tested it and it does not self buff.

MashmalloMan

So I did some digging. I know this was changed within the past year, but after reviewing U21-U26 patch notes. I couldn't find 1 mention of it.

Original issue of Jabs/Flurry being considered DOT damage prevented them from ever procing sets that required "melee" damage like Selene's, Advancing Yokeda or Twin Blade and Blunt axe passives. It fell in this weird spot. Althought it's not stated, the "Melee" proc condition, is really "Direct Melee Damage". An ability like Blade Cloak should be considered melee because it's within that 5m range, but it's considered as a DOT as of U22, so the skill never procs Twin Blade and Blunt axe bleeds or Selene's..

This is what leads me to believe they stopped scaling from dot damage in U22 because of the chain of events below:

U21 Wrathstone

• Deadly Strike set changed to buff physical/bleed/poison/diseased dot damage by 14% and come in Medium instead of Heavy. This is just my memory, but I feel like I remember stam DK's, Sorc's and Templars starting to use this set with Flurry/Jabs, because at the time, those abilities were still considered to be DOT damage so it was a pretty substantial buff.

U22 Elsweyr

• "Fixed an issue where this set could not proc off abilities such as Rapid Strikes." This implies it was fixed to proc from melee channeled abilities like Jabs too. It also added a 0.5s CD to prevent these multi hit spammables from giving you full stacks in 1 cast.
• This is where I believe these 2 skills changed from DOT to Direct damage scaling. If you go through the U22 patch notes, many skills were updated to scale properly, but for whatever reason, Flurry and Puncturing Strikes were not listed as receiving any scaling changes. Flurry was however buffed by 21% damage to match other spammables. For example, Solar Barrage fixed from direct to dot. Blade Cloak fixed from scaling with both direct/dot to only dot. Warden's Impaling Shards fixed from direct to dot. Numerous DK skills fixed from direct to dot.

U23 Scalebreaker

• Changes to Corrosive Armor and Onslaught only ignoring armor for "Direct Damage and Channeled Attacks like Flurry". This further solidifies that they aren't DOTs anymore from the previous U22 patch since these skills are only suppose to buff direct damage as stated in their tooltips. Why make an exception for 2 spammables unless they stopped scaling from DOT damage.

U24 Dragonhold

• Deadly Strike set updated from 14% to 20% following the sweeping dot nerfs. This next part wasn't stated in the notes, but It was ALSO updated in this patch to not only buff physical/bleed/poison/disease damage over time, but channeled abilities by 20% too. The important distinction here implies that it wasn't buffing flurry in U22 and U23.

U25 Harrowstorm

• Flurry and Jabs fixed to proc melee conditions on sets like Selenes and Twin Blade and Blunt axe bleeds. This was ALSO never specifically mentioned in the final patch notes. I'm only aware of it because of Skinny Cheeks parses during the Harrowstorm PTS.

TLDR: I think it was updated with U22 even though it was never stated.

It's now clear, that channeled melee abilities should be considered direct damage, so if you find any examples from comments above like orange text or Bloodthirst being buffed by Thaumaturge, you can chalk that up to a bug. These should be reported. It's taken them more than 4+ updates to get these abilities to work with different passives and sets as shown above in my comment, it's safe to assume there are still more bugs to iron out.

universal_wrath

Cortimi wrote: »

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Dude, I hate you for being right. Confirmed by fiddling with CP, Thermatauge doesn't do diddly for it.

Ugh, then why in the 9 hell's does it have the same DoT orange damage text as every other dot.....

The laat tick of dmg appear white to indicate it is direct attack. This change was made like 2 patches ago along with japs to be considered direct dmg and proc sets advancing yokeda, raveger (pre nerf), and other direct dmg related attacks. It was 1 of the main reasons you see magplars with 2H ulti in pvp pre onslught nerf.

Cortimi

universal_wrath wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

daemonor wrote: »

Rapid strikes is not a DoT, its a channeled direct damage ability.

Dude, I hate you for being right. Confirmed by fiddling with CP, Thermatauge doesn't do diddly for it.

Ugh, then why in the 9 hell's does it have the same DoT orange damage text as every other dot.....

The laat tick of dmg appear white to indicate it is direct attack. This change was made like 2 patches ago along with japs to be considered direct dmg and proc sets advancing yokeda, raveger (pre nerf), and other direct dmg related attacks. It was 1 of the main reasons you see magplars with 2H ulti in pvp pre onslught nerf.

Except for that bit about the text is simply not true. It is all orange text, which tells anyone using it (it should anyways), that it is (should be) a DoT.

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