[PS4] How did they move the scroll so fast?

Deedleqwerty

Reds just took the scroll pf Altadoon and less than 30 seconds later, they had it at Kingscrest. How did they do that?

TequilaFire

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Idinuse

Skilled fingers, I'm sure...

Nord_Raseri

There was a rare bug that could be used to travel/death spawn while keeping the scroll. Maybe it's still around.

Deedleqwerty

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Knightpanther

This is happening on PC EU to, its been reported on a number of occasions - don't hold your breath.

Be Safe

SeaGtGruff

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Your conclusion may or may not be correct.

(a) Kingscrest may have been the closest available respawn point.

(b) If it's a bug, then the player presumably has no control over whether they respawn with or without the scroll.

I'm not saying it wasn't a deliberate exploit, because I don't have enough information to decide whether I think it most likely was or wasn't. I'm just saying, don't be too quick to assume the worst possible motivations behind another player's actions.

oXI_Viper_IXo

It's been happening on Xbox as well by EP.

Nord_Raseri

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Your conclusion may or may not be correct.

(a) Kingscrest may have been the closest available respawn point.

(b) If it's a bug, then the player presumably has no control over whether they respawn with or without the scroll.

I'm not saying it wasn't a deliberate exploit, because I don't have enough information to decide whether I think it most likely was or wasn't. I'm just saying, don't be too quick to assume the worst possible motivations behind another player's actions.

(a) The closest spawn points would have been Fare or Blackboot.

(b) Why spawn at the keep they'd plan to take the scroll, instead of spawning close to continue to fight over scroll with the rest of your group? Unless you know the scroll's not going to be there. Flipside Kingscrest could have just had a 911 callout which is possible.

Deedleqwerty

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Your conclusion may or may not be correct.

(a) Kingscrest may have been the closest available respawn point.

(b) If it's a bug, then the player presumably has no control over whether they respawn with or without the scroll.

I'm not saying it wasn't a deliberate exploit, because I don't have enough information to decide whether I think it most likely was or wasn't. I'm just saying, don't be too quick to assume the worst possible motivations behind another player's actions.

Reds owned the entire map. The respawn was intentional.

SeaGtGruff

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

(a) The closest spawn points would have been Fare or Blackboot.

(b) Why spawn at the keep they'd plan to take the scroll, instead of spawning close to continue to fight over scroll with the rest of your group? Unless you know the scroll's not going to be there. Flipside Kingscrest could have just had a 911 callout which is possible.

I haven't seen a screenshot of what the map looked like at the time, so I have no way of knowing whether or not Faregyl and Black Boot were occupied by EP at the time and available to an EP player as respawn points. They could have been retaken by AD while EP were fighting for the scroll-- assuming that the scroll of Altadoon was actually being taken from Altadoon, and not from some other keep where it had been stashed. For all I know, EP could have been taking it from a DC keep.

Note, my NA and EU mains are blueberries, as is my NA second, and I've suffered much grief at the hands of the red army, more so than at the hands of the yellow army, so I'm not trying to defend a cheating red or anything like that.

Nord_Raseri

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

(a) The closest spawn points would have been Fare or Blackboot.

(b) Why spawn at the keep they'd plan to take the scroll, instead of spawning close to continue to fight over scroll with the rest of your group? Unless you know the scroll's not going to be there. Flipside Kingscrest could have just had a 911 callout which is possible.

I haven't seen a screenshot of what the map looked like at the time, so I have no way of knowing whether or not Faregyl and Black Boot were occupied by EP at the time and available to an EP player as respawn points. They could have been retaken by AD while EP were fighting for the scroll-- assuming that the scroll of Altadoon was actually being taken from Altadoon, and not from some other keep where it had been stashed. For all I know, EP could have been taking it from a DC keep.

Note, my NA and EU mains are blueberries, as is my NA second, and I've suffered much grief at the hands of the red army, more so than at the hands of the yellow army, so I'm not trying to defend a cheating red or anything like that.

Common deduction dictates if they took the scroll within the last 30 seconds, they'd still have Fare and Blackboot. Of course I was not there, so I cannot say definitively that those two keeps remained unflagged. Though that is also highly unlikely, not impossible.

SeaGtGruff

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Common deduction dictates if they took the scroll within the last 30 seconds, they'd still have Fare and Blackboot. Of course I was not there, so I cannot say definitively that those two keeps remained unflagged. Though that is also highly unlikely, not impossible.

Can't you take a scroll from its home temple even after the gate has been closed? Sorry, I haven't been involved in taking any scrolls for several months now, and have only been back to Cyrodiil briefly to do master crafting writs. (Huh, I hadn't even known until recently that there were set-crafting stations in Cyrodiil; I thought they were only in the Imperial City.) But the last time I was involved in an attempt to take a scroll from its home temple, we were able to take the scroll after the gate had been closed, and we had to climb up the gate stairs and jump out to try to get away with the scroll.

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

Reds owned the entire map. The respawn was intentional.

I didn't see this post when I started writing my previous reply, so I must have started to compose it just before you posted. (And yes, it can take me 5 minutes or longer to compose a reply-- especially on the iPad-- even if my final reply ends up being very short because I decided to delete a much lengthier reply that I'd been working on and go with something briefer.)

Nevertheless, I stand by the concluding sentiment of my original post:

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I'm just saying, don't be too quick to assume the worst possible motivations behind another player's actions.

The more information that's provided in this particular case, the more it smells like a deliberate exploitation of a known bug. But I don't know for a fact what the player in question was thinking at the time.

Deedleqwerty

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Your conclusion may or may not be correct.

(a) Kingscrest may have been the closest available respawn point.

(b) If it's a bug, then the player presumably has no control over whether they respawn with or without the scroll.

I'm not saying it wasn't a deliberate exploit, because I don't have enough information to decide whether I think it most likely was or wasn't. I'm just saying, don't be too quick to assume the worst possible motivations behind another player's actions.

Reds owned the entire map. The respawn was intentional.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

(a) The closest spawn points would have been Fare or Blackboot.

(b) Why spawn at the keep they'd plan to take the scroll, instead of spawning close to continue to fight over scroll with the rest of your group? Unless you know the scroll's not going to be there. Flipside Kingscrest could have just had a 911 callout which is possible.

I haven't seen a screenshot of what the map looked like at the time, so I have no way of knowing whether or not Faregyl and Black Boot were occupied by EP at the time and available to an EP player as respawn points. They could have been retaken by AD while EP were fighting for the scroll-- assuming that the scroll of Altadoon was actually being taken from Altadoon, and not from some other keep where it had been stashed. For all I know, EP could have been taking it from a DC keep.

Note, my NA and EU mains are blueberries, as is my NA second, and I've suffered much grief at the hands of the red army, more so than at the hands of the yellow army, so I'm not trying to defend a cheating red or anything like that.

As I said, Reds owned the *entire* map. They had 3 bars, blues had 1, yellow had 1. The respawn at Kingscrest was intentional.

SeaGtGruff

Whatever.

Nord_Raseri

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Can't you take a scroll from its home temple even after the gate has been closed?

Nope, enemies anywhere near the temple gets insta-gibbed.

SeaGtGruff

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Can't you take a scroll from its home temple even after the gate has been closed?

Nope, enemies anywhere near the temple gets insta-gibbed.

Do you mean by players of the defending alliance, or by the NPC temple guards?

Nord_Raseri

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Can't you take a scroll from its home temple even after the gate has been closed?

Nope, enemies anywhere near the temple gets insta-gibbed.

Do you mean by players of the defending alliance, or by the NPC temple guards?

Nope, the temple literally wipes any enemies near it when gate closes.

Norcast

The person who ports with the scroll has to die to set it down. That’s why the player dropped the scroll a minute later and someone else secured it. We ran into this a few days ago during a large battle for scroll and twice we picked it up, died, and the scroll respawned at our forward camp. This was near Roe. The next time it happened one of our players spawned with it at Fare. He ran to gate and had to close app to set down the scroll. We were unaware of the glitch at the time but that was our experience.

Norcast

I am certain this morning was intentional as red had every keep and we had zero spawn points north of our gate. They could have walked it to Kingscrest.

SeaGtGruff

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Nope, the temple literally wipes any enemies near it when gate closes.

I haven't seen that before-- although I don't spend a lot of time in Cyrodiil, and of the relatively little time I do spend in Cyrodiil only a tiny fraction of it has been spent behind enemy gates, and only a fraction of that has been spent in close vicinity to a temple. But during the times that I have been fighting for a scroll in an enemy temple, or fighting to protect a scroll in a friendly temple, I've never seen the temple itself wipe out all of the enemies. How close do you have to be for that to happen?

Kadoin

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

Reds just took the scroll pf Altadoon and less than 30 seconds later, they had it at Kingscrest. How did they do that?

It's a bug from a computing problem called a "data race". It's the result of there not being enough checks on the flag carrier that such bugs can be found, abused, and eventually exploited. It's not the only data race that occurs in the game. You can read about how these problems arise in code here:

https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19205-01/820-0619/geojs/index.html

https://blog.regehr.org/archives/490

Here's another one that exists you will probably see people exploit on live soon, since I have verified its possible to repeat this: on the live server, when I am attacked by 80+ and roll then leap with ferocious leap, the entire server freezes everyone across the entire server. Then the game counts me dead and alive and I'm immortal for 25 sec and can still do damage - it is yet another data race bug, and this one might actually impact performance. I know this because I was in discord with friends on all alliances and all reported combat freezing every time it happened.

But as you can see these problems exist in the game, and they have serious consequences. Both of these do have something in common though, it's similar to having your health set to "0" in a shooter game - usually such conditions are not ever taken into account in a game's state model and leads to situations where you can be dead and alive -- then unpredictable behavior. I am not sure how ZOS set up their code since I can only observe and take a guess, but I am certain the problem lies in the state model when the players health reaches zero.

Mr_Walker

Deedleqwerty wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

There are so many reds on PS4 NA during the day now they probably just formed a fire bucket brigade type line all the way to KC and passed the scroll.

Nope. Just found out that we killed the scroll runner, and he respawned -- with the scroll -- at Kingscrest. Apparently, he knew about the bug and exploited it.

Nah, he just has a good build and good rotation, knows to keep his buffs and hots up.