Macros are Handicaps for Good Players and a Godsend for Disabled Ones

Ghnami

Other thread got closed, change my mind.

I know many people who use macros, some who are disabled, some who are sad tryhards, but none of them are ever as good as the manual players. If you face someone with macros, you are not facing an unfair advantage, you're literally facing someone who isn't able to perform the actions required to be good in this game and is therefore not as good and will never be as good as manual players. If they're better than you, that means you need practice, you don't need to advocate for their ban. Yes some people are abusing machine play because they're lazy and bad, but for almost each of those players, there's a player who does not have the dexterity or strength in their body to perform the button presses in the timing that the game allows for maximum efficiency.

I firmly believe macros do not deserve any kind of punishment for use. Disabled people rely on them for game enjoyment and skill expression, and able people are literally making themself a worse player by using them, seems like punishment enough.

OneForSorrow

I mean if that's true then we need to take another look at animation cancelling.

...Slow down forums, I'm not saying we need to get rid of it. But maybe we could have some skills/skill lines or sets that take some of the burden off of it to narrow the gap between cancellers and non-cancellers. People who cancel will still squeeze out more dps but the difference won't be so big that others are left in the lurch.

It'd accomplish basically the same thing as macros without needing macros.

MartiniDaniels

I agree that macro won't reach that level, which manual controlling can (only exception if macro is some custom-made by some programmer, adaptive on the run etc, but i'm not sure if such things exist at all in ESO).
If I were ZOS I'll just openly permit to use macros, or even in-build them in a game to stop all the talking about removing animation cancelling.

Ghnami

OneForSorrow wrote: »

I mean if that's true then we need to take another look at animation cancelling.

...Slow down forums, I'm not saying we need to get rid of it. But maybe we could have some skills/skill lines or sets that take some of the burden off of it to narrow the gap between cancellers and non-cancellers. People who cancel will still squeeze out more dps but the difference won't be so big that others are left in the lurch.

It'd accomplish basically the same thing as macros without needing macros.

By cancel do you mean light attack weaving? Because there's light attack weaving, in which you input light attack followed quickly by an ability so that both are executed in a similar time window as only an ability would take and barel clips the last part of the light attack animation out, but there's also block/bash cancelling, dodge cancelling, bar swap cancelling, and mostly overlooked sprint cancelling, which truly cancel the animations of abilities, some of which have longer animations than the global cooldown or cast or channel time.

Light weaving is responsible for the DPS gap between skilled and unskilled players, all the other cancelling represents the relatively small gap between a good player and a great one.

zvavi

Just that executing rotation macros will help you keep your la/s ratio over 0.95 even in trial settings... Neh. It is cheating.

Ghnami

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I agree that macro won't reach that level, which manual controlling can (only exception if macro is some custom-made by some programmer, adaptive on the run etc, but i'm not sure if such things exist at all in ESO).
If I were ZOS I'll just openly permit to use macros, or even in-build them in a game to stop all the talking about removing animation cancelling.

Sounds like you're talking about a bot, not a macro. A macro is a pre-determined set of keystrokes to be executed by a program with specific set time intervals between keystrokes. You could program 20+ macros and use them all in a dynamic way as you suggest, however if the machine is the one that is dynamically changing them, that's just botting.

Again, cancelling is NOT the same as light weaving. Anmiation cancelling is what you do after you press your ability and has a very small impact on dps, light attack weaving is what you do before casting an ability and results in HUGE dps gains when done properly.

vamp_emily

Automation is better than Manual.

#Robots-Taking-Over-The-World-2040

Ghnami

zvavi wrote: »

Just that executing rotation macros will help you keep your la/s ratio over 0.95 even in trial settings... Neh. It is cheating.

Show me that macro in use. Without proof this is just someone complaining about a theoretical situation that manual players can already achieve.

Ghnami

vamp_emily wrote: »

Automation is better than Manual.

#Robots-Taking-Over-The-World-2040

Show me proof.

Moose_Scout

Ghnami wrote: »

Other thread got closed, change my mind.

I know many people who use macros, some who are disabled, some who are sad tryhards, but none of them are ever as good as the manual players. If you face someone with macros, you are not facing an unfair advantage, you're literally facing someone who isn't able to perform the actions required to be good in this game and is therefore not as good and will never be as good as manual players. If they're better than you, that means you need practice, you don't need to advocate for their ban. Yes some people are abusing machine play because they're lazy and bad, but for almost each of those players, there's a player who does not have the dexterity or strength in their body to perform the button presses in the timing that the game allows for maximum efficiency.

I firmly believe macros do not deserve any kind of punishment for use. Disabled people rely on them for game enjoyment and skill expression, and able people are literally making themself a worse player by using them, seems like punishment enough.

No Macros--the TOS says "HUMAN INPUT" only. Ban them all ZOS.

Ghnami

Moose_Scout wrote: »

Ghnami wrote: »

Other thread got closed, change my mind.

I know many people who use macros, some who are disabled, some who are sad tryhards, but none of them are ever as good as the manual players. If you face someone with macros, you are not facing an unfair advantage, you're literally facing someone who isn't able to perform the actions required to be good in this game and is therefore not as good and will never be as good as manual players. If they're better than you, that means you need practice, you don't need to advocate for their ban. Yes some people are abusing machine play because they're lazy and bad, but for almost each of those players, there's a player who does not have the dexterity or strength in their body to perform the button presses in the timing that the game allows for maximum efficiency.

I firmly believe macros do not deserve any kind of punishment for use. Disabled people rely on them for game enjoyment and skill expression, and able people are literally making themself a worse player by using them, seems like punishment enough.

No Macros--the TOS says "HUMAN INPUT" only. Ban them all ZOS.

So ban disabled people for triyng to play the game at a higher level?

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