It's still enough time to give stamina necromancers a beating

BohnT2

Anyone who has played PvP for the last patch has experienced what people have been predicted ever since Necromancer launched:
The second blastbones will be fixed stamina necromancer will dominate both defensive but more importantly offensive wise.

Every other source of major defile that is not linked to a Cooldown be it from a set, via the use of ults like soul harvest or DKs standard.

The only other "spammable" sources require you to play WW which spoiler will be an issue next patch and Dark flare which is basically the old lethal arrow and should have died along with it or at least be made useable without the major defile.

All that aside using any of those sources comes at a high price for the best offensive debuff you can have vs 11 out of 12 specs with magsorc being less affected due to shields.
A debuff so powerful that it shapes the whole meta around it fueled even further in CP and by the 20% heal reduction next patch.

It is time to remove major defile from blighted blastbones to finally bring stamina necromancers a bit down.

Afterwards, start reworking both warden and necromancer entirely because the 1 tank, 1 heal and 1 damage skill line attempt has proven to be bad for 3 years now on both ends being completely overtuned and lacking.

@Zos_BrianWheeler , @Zos_Gilliam

nesakinter

We all know it aint happening, Bohn. If they nerf stamcro in one place, they will buff greatly in some other.

LeHarrt91

I agree, the major defile needs to go, even more so with the Greymoor healing reduction as you mentioned.

precambria

Only thing more OP than dizzy swing is dizzy swing with major defile. Look at the real problem first.

Wuuffyy

precambria wrote: »

Only thing more OP than dizzy swing is dizzy swing with major defile. Look at the real problem first.

What’s OP about dizzy swing bud. That it can be spammed? So can snipe, surprise attack, gap closers. Gosh dang man. Unless you have a good reason (convince me), please stay off the ridiculous nerf-everything train. This and lag are the main reason this game is in shambles (to be picked up and fixed) and that so many OGs have left in the first place.

wheem_ESO

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

Only thing more OP than dizzy swing is dizzy swing with major defile. Look at the real problem first.

What’s OP about dizzy swing bud. That it can be spammed? So can snipe, surprise attack, gap closers. Gosh dang man. Unless you have a good reason (convince me), please stay off the ridiculous nerf-everything train. This and lag are the main reason this game is in shambles (to be picked up and fixed) and that so many OGs have left in the first place.

The damage and ties to stun/snare mechanics are what makes Dizzying Swing overpowered. Combine that overpowered spammable with an overpowered version of Blastbones and you have way too much easy-to-use offense packed into a single class.

As a Stage 4 Vampire on the live servers, I should take more damage from the Magicka variation of Blastbones. But the Stamina version essentially always does more damage, while also Major Defiling (and snaring, thanks to a bug). Plus the Stamina Necromancer has a much easier time chasing, surviving, and doing non-Blastbones damage than his Magicka counterpart does. Avoid the synercheese and Magicka Necromancer isn't a problem...can't say the same for Stam Necro, even if he's not actually targeting me (thanks to the defile being AOE and causing my heal to do ~3k in no-CP).

BohnT2

I'm not looking forward to people discussing dizzying swing in this post, it's not overpowered and hasn't been for a long long time what people expedition is getting clapped by one skill because 4 classes don't use anything else and the most prominent users just cycle it with shalks/bombers.

Dizzy went from being unused by everyone to the best skill and that only happened because someone at Zos thought putting casttimes on ultimates was a good idea along with deleting 1h+s offensive wise from the game.

That left classes with their class spammables which are trash or non existent unless you're templar or stamnb or they used dizzying.

With its knockback people could still hit their casttime ults, then the knockback was removed but someone at Zos fell asleep when they've added off balance as this gave dizzy yet another way of securing hits with casttime abilities.


Dizzy is not overperforming there is simply nothing else available and it's one of the few skills that help to reduce the negative effects of casttimes on ultimates as much as possible.


And now back to the important things:
Clap major defile with a shovel and bury it right next to oblivion damage on shieldbreaker and double procced viper/selene crits

Dracane

Please have patience until next year's chapter when they will come up with a pay to win class that eclipses even Wardens and Necromancers. Then and only then can Necromancer start receiving nerfs.

Then again, I would not get my hopes up. Stamina Warden for example almost exclusively received buffs since its launch because Zenimax listens to whiners who can tell them all the sweet lies of their class being way too weak and in need of desperate love. While we all know, Warden never needed any buffs to begin with.

MartiniDaniels

It is amazing how they ruined game fun with countless nerfs / changes to abilities which weren't even over-performing (dozens of such abilities) and all the build variety was sacrificed... just to leave balance like it was in U24 (worst patch by opinion of many people), fix blastbones and then sit for half-year doing nothing other then nerfing old well-established sets and creating new OP sets...

Wuuffyy

BohnT2 wrote: »

I'm not looking forward to people discussing dizzying swing in this post, it's not overpowered and hasn't been for a long long time what people expedition is getting clapped by one skill because 4 classes don't use anything else and the most prominent users just cycle it with shalks/bombers.

Dizzy went from being unused by everyone to the best skill and that only happened because someone at Zos thought putting casttimes on ultimates was a good idea along with deleting 1h+s offensive wise from the game.

That left classes with their class spammables which are trash or non existent unless you're templar or stamnb or they used dizzying.

With its knockback people could still hit their casttime ults, then the knockback was removed but someone at Zos fell asleep when they've added off balance as this gave dizzy yet another way of securing hits with casttime abilities.


Dizzy is not overperforming there is simply nothing else available and it's one of the few skills that help to reduce the negative effects of casttimes on ultimates as much as possible.


And now back to the important things:
Clap major defile with a shovel and bury it right next to oblivion damage on shieldbreaker and double procced viper/selene crits

I mean it literally is easily avoidable. I don’t understand. Granted it hurts and you will be taking some. It’s not worse than frags where back in the day.

LeHarrt91

They also have some of the best survivability and damage mitigation.

They should change Blighted to be like Stalking, just like Wardens Shalk. The same skill just Mag vs Stam

Wuuffyy

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

They also have some of the best survivability and damage mitigation.

They should change Blighted to be like Stalking, just like Wardens Shalk. The same skill just Mag vs Stam

Yea, cuz that will do soooo much for a melee build.

John_Falstaff

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

They also have some of the best survivability and damage mitigation.

They should change Blighted to be like Stalking, just like Wardens Shalk. The same skill just Mag vs Stam

Yea, cuz that will do soooo much for a melee build.

I mean, just as an aside, didn't stop them from doing that to DK.

Fawn4287

Stamcro needs a heavy nerf but the problem is as one brawler falls from meta another replaces it, either stamden or stam dk most likely, the fix is to butcher wrecking blow and sword and board, once these are gone brawlers are exponentially less tanky and will a great deal of turn and burn potential.

OlumoGarbag

inb4 zenimax will change the debuff to something unqiue like 20% shield and healing reduction, so necros can stack it with disease glyhph and cyrodills ward to stack a *** of healing mitigation. Like they did with the BRP dw "nerf", when necros have minor protect major protect, unique 20% dmg mittigation and another 10% now with BRP dualwield. With major evasion you will have about 90% damage mitigation on aoe dots on your stamina necro build. How is this a fair setup when magdk for example have 0% mitigation on aoe dots.

kojou

They aren't going to nerf them just before making the class purchasable in the crown store. Wait until a bit after May 26th and they feel like they got most of the sales they are going to get.

Lole

It’s time to nerf 2handed skillline and not just bb

BohnT2

Lole wrote: »

It’s time to nerf 2handed skillline and not just bb

No