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dungeon finder defeats the ppurpose if people are queing as fake roles.
wolfbone
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there's no point in using the dungeon finder with this new rise in players queing a fake roles in the dungeon finder. had a fake healer and tank in the same group, who then voted to kick me for saying we needed a proper healer, and not a fake. whole purpose of the dungeon finder is useless right now cos it appears people are queing as fake versions of roles just to get into a dungeon quicker on ps4 and then vote to kick anyone who points out that a healer or tank is really needed.
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madman65✭✭✭✭Dungeon finder is broke, I queued last night for v Falkreath Hold and it sent a healer and 3 DPS. Just really jacked up.2 -
Twilanthe✭✭✭I see this a lot too.
To be honest, in regular dungeons 4 DPS can run it just fine. Some boss fights might really require a healer, even if its a DPS build with a resto staff back bar or something, but otherwise it isn't a big deal, at least in regular dungeons. I haven't gotten to vet dungeons yet so I don't know if the issue is more of a problem there, or if it's also pretty much a cake walk.
What I've seen recently though is me and my friend will queue and get into a dungeon, and automatically there will be a vote to kick one of us. I'm not sure what is going on here, and why it is happening, but it's been happening a lot recently. (By a lot I mean maybe once every 10 runs or so?). Naturally we don't kick each other, and this always ends up in the other two dropping the group. Does anyone know what is up with that? I can't figure out what the purpose might be.Lüc - Argonian Necromancer Healer
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wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭I see this a lot too.
To be honest, in regular dungeons 4 DPS can run it just fine. Some boss fights might really require a healer, even if its a DPS build with a resto staff back bar or something, but otherwise it isn't a big deal, at least in regular dungeons. I haven't gotten to vet dungeons yet so I don't know if the issue is more of a problem there, or if it's also pretty much a cake walk.
What I've seen recently though is me and my friend will queue and get into a dungeon, and automatically there will be a vote to kick one of us. I'm not sure what is going on here, and why it is happening, but it's been happening a lot recently. (By a lot I mean maybe once every 10 runs or so?). Naturally we don't kick each other, and this always ends up in the other two dropping the group. Does anyone know what is up with that? I can't figure out what the purpose might be.I see this a lot too.
To be honest, in regular dungeons 4 DPS can run it just fine. Some boss fights might really require a healer, even if its a DPS build with a resto staff back bar or something, but otherwise it isn't a big deal, at least in regular dungeons. I haven't gotten to vet dungeons yet so I don't know if the issue is more of a problem there, or if it's also pretty much a cake walk.
What I've seen recently though is me and my friend will queue and get into a dungeon, and automatically there will be a vote to kick one of us. I'm not sure what is going on here, and why it is happening, but it's been happening a lot recently. (By a lot I mean maybe once every 10 runs or so?). Naturally we don't kick each other, and this always ends up in the other two dropping the group. Does anyone know what is up with that? I can't figure out what the purpose might be.
I've had that my self, my only guess is the other group members dont think you're a high enough level, which is a load of rubbish in my opinion
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Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭I see this a lot too.
To be honest, in regular dungeons 4 DPS can run it just fine. Some boss fights might really require a healer, even if its a DPS build with a resto staff back bar or something, but otherwise it isn't a big deal, at least in regular dungeons. I haven't gotten to vet dungeons yet so I don't know if the issue is more of a problem there, or if it's also pretty much a cake walk.
What I've seen recently though is me and my friend will queue and get into a dungeon, and automatically there will be a vote to kick one of us. I'm not sure what is going on here, and why it is happening, but it's been happening a lot recently. (By a lot I mean maybe once every 10 runs or so?). Naturally we don't kick each other, and this always ends up in the other two dropping the group. Does anyone know what is up with that? I can't figure out what the purpose might be.
I've had that my self, my only guess is the other group members dont think you're a high enough level, which is a load of rubbish in my opinion
Like Wolfbone said - sometimes it can be your level, especially if you are low CP (<500) in a vet DLC. Other times, they may see you're queued as a DPS, but have a really high - or really low - HP, and assume you're very badly geared and/or inexperienced. Or you're wearing something your role typically does not wear; Like a healer with dual weild. It's not to say none of these things can work - because they can - but that's most often the reasons to get a vote initialized. And really, that's most-often for vet DLC content where you'll run into that. Not exclusively, mind you, but most often.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)1 -
TineaCruris✭✭✭✭✭If it was a normal dungeon, just melt it and it doesn't matter if people qued as a role they are not.
However, if it was a vet DLC, people are expected to que as their actual roles, or risk someone legitimately requesting they vacate the group for not being capable of doing their job.
And maybe the right outlook would be to just be happy you got four members in your group. A lot of times in BG's you don't even get a full team of four.Edited by TineaCruris on May 9, 2020 1:35AM1 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is very rare that I end up with a group of players who have fake roles, maybe 1 out of 10 times or even less than that.
This means it doesn't even happen to me in a 3 days period of 3 pledges per day.
Maybe I'm just lucky ?
I don't think so.
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Kurat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I pug vet pledges almost every day and I've never seen fake roles. I've seen some bad healers/tanks but they are trying at least.
Fake roles seems to be only normal dungeons problem.2 -
Sibenice✭✭✭✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.0 -
Lintashi✭✭✭✭✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.
I would just add buff, like in cyro, but different, according to chosen role. Like, you queue as healer, you get your damage debufffed, health too, but buffed healing, tank get damage debuff, selfhealing debuff, health/ resistances and healing buff, dps get damage buff, health and selfhealing debuff. This way, all roles are needed. No more 4 dps and go. And fake tanks and healers cannot just dps through mechanics, while weaker players have better chances at performing good, at their chosen roles.5 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.
I would just add buff, like in cyro, but different, according to chosen role. Like, you queue as healer, you get your damage debufffed, health too, but buffed healing, tank get damage debuff, selfhealing debuff, health/ resistances and healing buff, dps get damage buff, health and selfhealing debuff. This way, all roles are needed. No more 4 dps and go. And fake tanks and healers cannot just dps through mechanics, while weaker players have better chances at performing good, at their chosen roles.
No thank you. I pug exclusively normal non dlc dungeons, and I often drag a whole group through on my healer that can dps, or a tank that can dps.5 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It has always been a problem of people queueing as fake healers/tank. No real way to fix it. People have often come up with several idea on how to fix it, but ZOS has chosen not to implement any checks to help address it, so they must be happy with it. See it a lot more in normal run vs. vet runs. The problem is not enough tanks/healers. Try to help fix the problem and run as a real tank and healer sometimes.
I see a lot of people often say they vote kick the fake role immediately. Personally, I just role with whatever the activity finder gives me as a group. I could careless what your level or roll is. Always carry a self-heal. In my experience when someone else starts a vote kick and the group kicks someone we generally just complete the dungeon with 3 people or get someone who shows up for the last half of the final boss fight. Stopped kicking anyone unless they ask for it. Figured it’s better to have 3 vs. 4 people fake or not.
Honestly what bothers me more is the only “light attack” bow player or the healer that stands in the back only using radiating occasional and heavy attacking.
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Thannazzar✭✭✭✭✭
✭For level related kicks, it's usually some toxic player on a run for specific drops at cp160 usually with loot reporter tool. They are the kind of people who whisper you asking for your gear immediately after a boss drops before you have the chance to look at it yourself.2 -
Sibenice✭✭✭✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.
I would just add buff, like in cyro, but different, according to chosen role. Like, you queue as healer, you get your damage debufffed, health too, but buffed healing, tank get damage debuff, selfhealing debuff, health/ resistances and healing buff, dps get damage buff, health and selfhealing debuff. This way, all roles are needed. No more 4 dps and go. And fake tanks and healers cannot just dps through mechanics, while weaker players have better chances at performing good, at their chosen roles.
Honestly, this sounds awful. Gimping people for the role just because of a few bad apples will only serve to make them unhappy and extend the queue times.1 -
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✭✭✭Thannazzar wrote: »For level related kicks, it's usually some toxic player on a run for specific drops at cp160 usually with loot reporter tool. They are the kind of people who whisper you asking for your gear immediately after a boss drops before you have the chance to look at it yourself.
That makes sense. [snip] Levels are for the most part a non-issue otherwise.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Lunar on May 9, 2020 12:56PM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
wolfbone✭✭✭✭✭I'd suggest a system where people who are fake queing get a mark against them, and they start getting qued with other fake que players. that way it'll be a system of fakes getting put with fakes.
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✭First normal dungeons don’t matter, as a vet player can do all roles.
If someone is really terrible then kick them.
People that find this that important, make a tanky or a healer to pug. Problem solved. That is of course till you’re grouped with subpar dps that think they’re great.
I really wish ZOS would initiate a dps check for vet content if anything.
Edited by xXMeowMeowXx on May 9, 2020 1:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭:insert my opinion on the matter:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/524205/the-undaunted-certification-zvavi-is-bored-in-quarantine2 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All these "damage dealers" that don't actually deal damage. Those darn fake roles!This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.4 -
Rave the Histborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.
I would just add buff, like in cyro, but different, according to chosen role. Like, you queue as healer, you get your damage debufffed, health too, but buffed healing, tank get damage debuff, selfhealing debuff, health/ resistances and healing buff, dps get damage buff, health and selfhealing debuff. This way, all roles are needed. No more 4 dps and go. And fake tanks and healers cannot just dps through mechanics, while weaker players have better chances at performing good, at their chosen roles.
OR instead of ruining the game you could get 3 friends or guildies to run dungeons with.
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x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭there's no point in using the dungeon finder with this new rise in players queing a fake roles in the dungeon finder. had a fake healer and tank in the same group, who then voted to kick me for saying we needed a proper healer, and not a fake. whole purpose of the dungeon finder is useless right now cos it appears people are queing as fake versions of roles just to get into a dungeon quicker on ps4 and then vote to kick anyone who points out that a healer or tank is really needed.
I get the frustration but there really is no good way to enforce a "role" on a person, especially in a game that says play as you want. You just sort of have to take your chances if you use group finder instead of other methods like asking guildies or even people in zone. Funny story I had a tank in my group for fang lair pledge yesterday and I thought omg, fake tank cause he only had like 20k health but nope, he tanked way better than I've seen people with 40k+ do and did good damage too. Run was breeze.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there's no point in using the dungeon finder with this new rise in players queing a fake roles in the dungeon finder. had a fake healer and tank in the same group, who then voted to kick me for saying we needed a proper healer, and not a fake. whole purpose of the dungeon finder is useless right now cos it appears people are queing as fake versions of roles just to get into a dungeon quicker on ps4 and then vote to kick anyone who points out that a healer or tank is really needed.
I get the frustration but there really is no good way to enforce a "role" on a person, especially in a game that says play as you want. You just sort of have to take your chances if you use group finder instead of other methods like asking guildies or even people in zone. Funny story I had a tank in my group for fang lair pledge yesterday and I thought omg, fake tank cause he only had like 20k health but nope, he tanked way better than I've seen people with 40k+ do and did good damage too. Run was breeze.
The game doesn't even explain what it wants from it's "roles". It is a lazy design that dependant on people guessing the meaning behind the roles. It leads to a lot of frustration from all the participants, especially when their views on roles clash. Kudos to the tank that tanked vFL with 20k hp though.Edited by zvavi on May 9, 2020 4:55PM1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The easy fix would be to make tanks and healers just as enjoyable to play as dps. The issue will disappear as more people will happily fill those roles for a dungeon.
However, we keep seeing tank and healer dps nerfed which makes things like solo questing/dailies difficult. The reason we see so many “fake” tanks and healers is because the QOL of tanks and healers is so poor nobody wants to be one.3 -
x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭there's no point in using the dungeon finder with this new rise in players queing a fake roles in the dungeon finder. had a fake healer and tank in the same group, who then voted to kick me for saying we needed a proper healer, and not a fake. whole purpose of the dungeon finder is useless right now cos it appears people are queing as fake versions of roles just to get into a dungeon quicker on ps4 and then vote to kick anyone who points out that a healer or tank is really needed.
I get the frustration but there really is no good way to enforce a "role" on a person, especially in a game that says play as you want. You just sort of have to take your chances if you use group finder instead of other methods like asking guildies or even people in zone. Funny story I had a tank in my group for fang lair pledge yesterday and I thought omg, fake tank cause he only had like 20k health but nope, he tanked way better than I've seen people with 40k+ do and did good damage too. Run was breeze.
The game doesn't even explain what it wants from it's "roles". It is a lazy design that dependant on people guessing the meaning behind the roles. It leads to a lot of frustration from all the participants, especially when their views on roles clash. Kudos to the tank that tanked vFL with 20k hp though.
Totally agree. Like the single player games they just throw you in with minimal instructions and leave it to you to figure out.0 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The easy fix would be to make tanks and healers just as enjoyable to play as dps. The issue will disappear as more people will happily fill those roles for a dungeon.
However, we keep seeing tank and healer dps nerfed which makes things like solo questing/dailies difficult. The reason we see so many “fake” tanks and healers is because the QOL of tanks and healers is so poor nobody wants to be one.
Tanking and healing is as fun. When the damage is in the group. When it isn't? You will want to shoot yourself.3 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭there's no point in using the dungeon finder with this new rise in players queing a fake roles in the dungeon finder. had a fake healer and tank in the same group, who then voted to kick me for saying we needed a proper healer, and not a fake. whole purpose of the dungeon finder is useless right now cos it appears people are queing as fake versions of roles just to get into a dungeon quicker on ps4 and then vote to kick anyone who points out that a healer or tank is really needed.
This problem is as old as the dungeon finder...0 -
Ardan147✭✭✭✭How do you suggest they fix that, though? You can't lock it to people with certain spells learned because you can just have all of them. And doing it by the spells on your bars... you'd have to lock your bars on entering and that would upset people. Can't do it by gear sets, those are far too variable.
I would just add buff, like in cyro, but different, according to chosen role. Like, you queue as healer, you get your damage debufffed, health too, but buffed healing, tank get damage debuff, selfhealing debuff, health/ resistances and healing buff, dps get damage buff, health and selfhealing debuff. This way, all roles are needed. No more 4 dps and go. And fake tanks and healers cannot just dps through mechanics, while weaker players have better chances at performing good, at their chosen roles.
Oh hell no. I can get good dps out of my Breton Templar healer while still performing my responsibilities as a healer. Sometimes even out-dps'ing the dps. Why should I have that taken away from me?This creature called a songbird. What a devious creation! This winged nuisance erodes sanity with its incessant chirping. What a brilliant form of torture!4 -
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✭Where do you draw the line though? if legit dds with 15k dps that don't know any better queue in, should be called them fake dds and kick? 90% chance OP is one of them.2 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭My friends weren't online today so I decided to pug pledges. Went on my necro tank, solid setup, with plenty of grp dps buffs. One of our "dps" was 1600 cp dude using lightning staff and sword and board, spamming turn evil, defensive posture and crushing shock, also kept running out of resources and just spammed light attacks.
It's people like this that, that make me wanna just put on dps gear and go f it.
And this type of *** happens with the dungeon finder way too often.
I avoid it like a plague normally.1 -
Twilanthe✭✭✭Me and my friends are a bit new to ESO dungeons, and a couple of us came from WOW. Initially we thought that almost every tank was a DPS just queued as a tank, because they didn't seem to be holding aggro on the enemies. We assumed they weren't actually tanking and so assumed they were DPS just joining as tank to get instant queues.
It wasn't until I read up on ESO tanking that I realized tanking in this game is done differently. Unlike in WOW the tanks aren't meant to hold aggro on everything. Instead they focus on the most dangerous targets, and in most cases the other members can take the hits from trash or ads.
I figure though, if you're completing the dungeon and not dying a lot, is it really a problem?Lüc - Argonian Necromancer Healer
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kichwas✭✭✭✭I think a lot of this 'fake roles' issue is people queing into a normal and finding someone not on an Officially Alcast Approved Build™... or still leveling... and deciding that's a "fake build".
Every now and then I will see something like a tank that has no taunt skill... or a healer that never casts any kind of heal... but these are super rare.
But especially in normal dungeons I see a lot of people who are below 3-million CP, and not running Alcast Builds...
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