Stuhn's Favor, where from here?

Giljabrar

I'd like to see Stuhn's reworked to a percent penetration set, instead of a flat number. Current PTS numbers are still unhealthy IMO. Wanted another gauge of the community for the devs.

DISCLAIMER - This was created shortly before the 6.0.2 nerfs. So it's pretty moot

Davadin

Keep it as is.

keep it. let it go live. then we decide.

Giljabrar

Convert the 5 piece to a flat, percentage penetration.

Davadin wrote: »

keep it. let it go live. then we decide.

I'm afraid if it goes to live at a flat amount, that it's just gonna get nerfed to a useless set at some point.

But a flat % retains it's power, and imo is considerably healthier for the game.

relentless_turnip

I'm in 2 minds about this...

I have duelled a couple of people using this on the PTS during the first week and the first 8 seconds are hell!
Its a bit like surviving an ulti and resetting. If you survive it though... you have an advantage for the next 13 secs..

I should say though fighting a stamdk using it was really tough with the leap hitting insanely hard.

It could probably do with another small adjustment, but there is a lot of downtime too so it should be strong.

Davadin

Keep it as is.

Giljabrar wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

keep it. let it go live. then we decide.

I'm afraid if it goes to live at a flat amount, that it's just gonna get nerfed to a useless set at some point.

But a flat % retains it's power, and imo is considerably healthier for the game.

I don't disagree with you, but looking at the state of PTS every time this game has a PTS.... the feedback is 90% ineffective.

Especially with PvP.

Something new always come up when it goes live.

So why double the work?

rikimm16_ESO

I agree, feedback is pointless, even ZOS have admitted that. They say the people testing in PTS is just a small fraction of the game population and they just wait for for it to go live to see how players behave with the changes.

Unless there are thousands of posts about the same subject.

Alchimiste1

Boost it back to 10k T_____T
Give me more damage

OtarTheMad

rikimm16_ESO wrote: »

I agree, feedback is pointless, even ZOS have admitted that. They say the people testing in PTS is just a small fraction of the game population and they just wait for for it to go live to see how players behave with the changes.

Unless there are thousands of posts about the same subject.

I can't blame them. I can't remember the last time the PTS server had a full PvP campaign with people testing. And then they are surprised and mad that bugs hit live... like LOL what did you expect? The 3 people who tested PvP to find bugs that only show up in massive locked PvP conditions?

Firstmep

Keep it as is.

Erm, it's hardly stronger than spriggans and spinners and those set have a 100% uptime and no proc condition.
No need to nerf it further.
With the healing changes next patch, I doubt this set will be as sought after anymore, although we will see.

Giljabrar

Convert the 5 piece to a flat, percentage penetration.

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Boost it back to 10k T_____T
Give me more damage

This post was made prior to the 6.0.2 release, and I just saw them. Wow, overkill. This is why I wanted percent pen, although it's still gonna be a strong set

ne.ga.kurai_ESO

It's not complete ***, but it's not like I'm going to make an Off Balance bar in Srrendar and turtle up for 7s or get dunked on. This set isn't even on my radar anymore.

Oathunbound

Where is the throw it away option? I wouldn't. E surprised of ot got the soldier of anguish treatment and make it even more useless before it could be tested en mass vs limited pts base

Strider__Roshin

I didn't see the trash can option.

Wuuffyy

Giljabrar wrote: »

Alchimiste1 wrote: »

Boost it back to 10k T_____T
Give me more damage

This post was made prior to the 6.0.2 release, and I just saw them. Wow, overkill. This is why I wanted percent pen, although it's still gonna be a strong set

I’m what world?

katorga

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

I didn't see the trash can option.

lol.

Thrassian Stranglers too. If I read the notes correctly, it is now 40% more damage, plus 40% less healing, and 40% weaker shields in exchange for 3000 damage. Unless they removed to 40% more damage, that looks like a bit much. I wonder what wonder build popped up on the pts that spooked them.

Wuuffyy

katorga wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

I didn't see the trash can option.

lol.

Thrassian Stranglers too. If I read the notes correctly, it is now 40% more damage, plus 40% less healing, and 40% weaker shields in exchange for 3000 damage. Unless they removed to 40% more damage, that looks like a bit much. I wonder what wonder build popped up on the pts that spooked them.

Nope. All 3. Gl with that!

Wuuffyy

katorga wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

I didn't see the trash can option.

lol.

Thrassian Stranglers too. If I read the notes correctly, it is now 40% more damage, plus 40% less healing, and 40% weaker shields in exchange for 3000 damage. Unless they removed to 40% more damage, that looks like a bit much. I wonder what wonder build popped up on the pts that spooked them.

People parsing on dummies and cheesing with unrealistic half stack.

Thevampirenight

I'm disappointed they nerfed it. Because I was looking forward to trying it out with werewolf.
But one thing I disagree with is making it a percentage value. Maybe if the servers were a lot better then it would be fine do to do it that way.
Because flat basically just gives you the damage, there has to be calculations with % based and well its more intensive doing it that way.
Though might get more with %, Flat is just as good and well I hope they convert most sets to be flat to be honest with you.
I do think it will help somewhat with performance. The entire cp system should also be convert to flat based values. I'm sure that will also really help with the performance issues caused by it. Plus maybe help balance it out better.
Some might think it would make things boring but actually I would prefer that over bad performance.
So static calculations vs dynamic. I would go for the static ones as I do think the Server will handle those better.

Giljabrar

Convert the 5 piece to a flat, percentage penetration.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m what world?

The world where the sets 4 base lines are great, and 5500 pen is still strong lol

Wuuffyy

Giljabrar wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m what world?

The world where the sets 4 base lines are great, and 5500 pen is still strong lol

Lol. You have to hit off balance on the CD and it still has a downtime of 15 secs per person. Equating to roughly a value of 33%. Making it somewhere in the mid 3ks, lower 4ks. Spriggins or NMG are far better sets in that they are up 100% of time time. I reiterate... another trash set.

ssewallb14_ESO

Keep it as is.

They removed multiple sources of % penetration from the game because they kept producing bugs and ZoS couldn't fix them. It's not likely they'll go that route again.

Gilvoth

it needs to be buffed more another 1000 damage or more, if it is kept at anything less than 12000 no one will wear it nor use it.

ccfeeling

We cant have good sets, thx 4 nerf request

Strider__Roshin

Gilvoth wrote: »

it needs to be buffed more another 1000 damage or more, if it is kept at anything less than 12000 no one will wear it nor use it.

How do you feel about <6000?

Asking for a friend.

mikey_reach

Keep it as is.

It made resistances obsolete within a burst thus further empowering players to stack even more % mitigation. Good change, the set was a brain dead obvious choice.

Ankael07

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m what world?

The world where the sets 4 base lines are great, and 5500 pen is still strong lol

Lol. You have to hit off balance on the CD and it still has a downtime of 15 secs per person. Equating to roughly a value of 33%. Making it somewhere in the mid 3ks, lower 4ks. Spriggins or NMG are far better sets in that they are up 100% of time time. I reiterate... another trash set.

Starting from the first second of offbalance that's 7 seconds during the debuff + 10 more seconds if you damage them at the last moment. So its 4-5 seconds of actual cooldown in 1v1.

In Cyrodil it'll be easier to keep it on yourself at all times since you can off balance multiple targets

notyuu

If it were up to me I'd make it so that the set granted a flat 3% penetration for every debuff you put on a target.

Wuuffyy

Ankael07 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m what world?

The world where the sets 4 base lines are great, and 5500 pen is still strong lol

Lol. You have to hit off balance on the CD and it still has a downtime of 15 secs per person. Equating to roughly a value of 33%. Making it somewhere in the mid 3ks, lower 4ks. Spriggins or NMG are far better sets in that they are up 100% of time time. I reiterate... another trash set.

Starting from the first second of offbalance that's 7 seconds during the debuff + 10 more seconds if you damage them at the last moment. So its 4-5 seconds of actual cooldown in 1v1.

In Cyrodil it'll be easier to keep it on yourself at all times since you can off balance multiple targets

Thanks for repeating what I said man. Verr helpful. And open world is absolute rubbish rn. The lag is so ridiculous that anywhere you think this set is going to help there. It won’t.

Ankael07

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Giljabrar wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m what world?

The world where the sets 4 base lines are great, and 5500 pen is still strong lol

Lol. You have to hit off balance on the CD and it still has a downtime of 15 secs per person. Equating to roughly a value of 33%. Making it somewhere in the mid 3ks, lower 4ks. Spriggins or NMG are far better sets in that they are up 100% of time time. I reiterate... another trash set.

Starting from the first second of offbalance that's 7 seconds during the debuff + 10 more seconds if you damage them at the last moment. So its 4-5 seconds of actual cooldown in 1v1.

In Cyrodil it'll be easier to keep it on yourself at all times since you can off balance multiple targets

Thanks for repeating what I said man. Verr helpful. And open world is absolute rubbish rn. The lag is so ridiculous that anywhere you think this set is going to help there. It won’t.

It doesn't have a cooldown of 15 seconds if you damage the enemy at the last second of the offbalance. You get 10 more seconds so that leaves 4-5 seconds of downtime.

If you're gonna count lag into everything then no set will be useful because skills wont work in the first place

Giljabrar

Convert the 5 piece to a flat, percentage penetration.

It's current version is a strong set, and will be used by a lot of people.

It's in a healthy state imo, more uptime, lower numbers, unique pen effect that can be stacked with major breach/fracture.

@Wolf_Watching claiming a set isn't going to work because of the lag is an extremely lazy argument.

If you're in medium armor, the damage from this sets 4 piece alone, is marginally weaker than Spriggan's in its entirety.

Add an additional free nameless major penetration, and it becomes at LEAST 10 % better than spriggan.

[Edited to not bash you're opinion]

gepe87

Keep it as is.

I'm still wondering how they go to +-5k value from +10k. Are we playing the same game? We know from previous sets, that high numbers arent well received.