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Malacath's Band of Brutality, Crits, Proc Sets and p2w

  • Kadoin
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    pieratsos wrote: »
    Rianai wrote: »
    preevious wrote: »
    You buy a DLC. The DLC comes with stuff in it, because if not .. why bother having a DLC in the first place?

    Maybe ... for the quests, story, exploration, cosmetics, ...an overall new experience? There are plenty of ways to implement new and worthwhile content without making it P2W. Even new items aren't P2W if they don't offer an upgrade for builds or are also accessible to players who haven't spend money (via trading for example) or only useful within the new content itself.

    The decision to lock powerful items behind payed content does not improve the content itself. It does not make players pay for the content itself. It makes players pay for the items. And that's the intention behind this deliberate decision.

    No it does not improve it. It promotes it and that is the whole point in the first place. They are not going to put garbage items in their new content as that would disincentivize people from buying it. That doesn't make the items p2w. They are still part of the game.

    And yet, the trial sets and even crafted sets were garbage. So would the overland sets if some weren't bugged in a way that gives you 5K+ ticks in PvP (lol, wait till the organized groups realize this and they all have it on GG).
  • Rianai
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    pieratsos wrote: »
    Rianai wrote: »
    preevious wrote: »
    You buy a DLC. The DLC comes with stuff in it, because if not .. why bother having a DLC in the first place?

    Maybe ... for the quests, story, exploration, cosmetics, ...an overall new experience? There are plenty of ways to implement new and worthwhile content without making it P2W. Even new items aren't P2W if they don't offer an upgrade for builds or are also accessible to players who haven't spend money (via trading for example) or only useful within the new content itself.

    The decision to lock powerful items behind payed content does not improve the content itself. It does not make players pay for the content itself. It makes players pay for the items. And that's the intention behind this deliberate decision.

    No it does not improve it. It promotes it and that is the whole point in the first place. They are not going to put garbage items in their new content as that would disincentivize people from buying it. That doesn't make the items p2w. They are still part of the game.

    Uhm, all P2W stuff is part of a game.

    There are 2 requirements for something to be considered P2W:

    1. Grants players an advantage over other players
    2. Only (reasonably) accessible if the player pays real money

    Both can be applied to Mythic items (as well as some other stuff in ESO). It it a big deal? Not for me, because the game isn't very competitive, the advantage isn't that big and there are much more servere issues anyway. Doesn't mean i won't label it as what it is.
  • pieratsos
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    Kadoin wrote: »
    pieratsos wrote: »
    Rianai wrote: »
    preevious wrote: »
    You buy a DLC. The DLC comes with stuff in it, because if not .. why bother having a DLC in the first place?

    Maybe ... for the quests, story, exploration, cosmetics, ...an overall new experience? There are plenty of ways to implement new and worthwhile content without making it P2W. Even new items aren't P2W if they don't offer an upgrade for builds or are also accessible to players who haven't spend money (via trading for example) or only useful within the new content itself.

    The decision to lock powerful items behind payed content does not improve the content itself. It does not make players pay for the content itself. It makes players pay for the items. And that's the intention behind this deliberate decision.

    No it does not improve it. It promotes it and that is the whole point in the first place. They are not going to put garbage items in their new content as that would disincentivize people from buying it. That doesn't make the items p2w. They are still part of the game.

    And yet, the trial sets and even crafted sets were garbage. So would the overland sets if some weren't bugged in a way that gives you 5K+ ticks in PvP (lol, wait till the organized groups realize this and they all have it on GG).

    Their incapability of introducing balanced gear has nothing to do with it. Just because some sets are trash it doesn't mean they wanted it to be trash.
  • pieratsos
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    Rianai wrote: »
    pieratsos wrote: »
    Rianai wrote: »
    preevious wrote: »
    You buy a DLC. The DLC comes with stuff in it, because if not .. why bother having a DLC in the first place?

    Maybe ... for the quests, story, exploration, cosmetics, ...an overall new experience? There are plenty of ways to implement new and worthwhile content without making it P2W. Even new items aren't P2W if they don't offer an upgrade for builds or are also accessible to players who haven't spend money (via trading for example) or only useful within the new content itself.

    The decision to lock powerful items behind payed content does not improve the content itself. It does not make players pay for the content itself. It makes players pay for the items. And that's the intention behind this deliberate decision.

    No it does not improve it. It promotes it and that is the whole point in the first place. They are not going to put garbage items in their new content as that would disincentivize people from buying it. That doesn't make the items p2w. They are still part of the game.

    Uhm, all P2W stuff is part of a game.

    There are 2 requirements for something to be considered P2W:

    1. Grants players an advantage over other players
    2. Only (reasonably) accessible if the player pays real money

    Both can be applied to Mythic items (as well as some other stuff in ESO). It it a big deal? Not for me, because the game isn't very competitive, the advantage isn't that big and there are much more servere issues anyway. Doesn't mean i won't label it as what it is.

    Accessible only with real money usually refers to items strictly being sold in a cash shop aka not accessible in game. Items being locked behind DLCs doesn't make the game p2w. You are not buying specifically an item with real money. You are buying the DLC.

    This simply means that the game is expensive. You have to buy the game, then pay for a subscription which is almost mandatory if u take the game seriously and then u have to buy expansions as well. So yeah the game is expensive. That doesn't make it p2w. There is a difference.

    If you are going to label it as p2w because of strong sets being locked behind DLCs then every single game would have to be p2w to sell its content. Not everyone cares about the story. Some people just want to min max and that means itemization. Deliberately introducing trash sets to avoid "p2w" would be bad marketing and losing potential sales of their content.

    You'd have a point if almost all sets accessible from base game were trash and to make a competitive build means buying dlcs which would mean that they are just milking money but this isnt the case so no, strong sets accessible from dlcs doesn't make it p2w. They just want to make their content attractive for everyone to increase sales. That's not a bad thing. The bad thing is that they are completely incapable of balancing itemization but that's a different story.
  • Rianai
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    For the impact on the game and the players it makes zero difference whether a item is sold directly in the cash shop or sold with some sort of "package".
    Edited by Rianai on June 13, 2020 4:54PM
  • pieratsos
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    Rianai wrote: »
    For the impact on the game and the players it makes zero difference whether a item is sold directly in the cash shop or sold with some sort of "package".

    You can label it as you want. It's still part of the regular content and it's accessible in game.

    Wanna call it p2w sure have at it. But ur definition of p2w isn't a bad thing and it's actually mandatory for any company to sell its content. I've bashed ZOS for a million different reasons but they are still a company. They are not going to introduce trash gear in their new content. That would be dumb.
  • Daggerlock
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    I cannot understand why we should hammer ZOS for providing new and innovative opportunities to experiment with new builds having new tools to play with.

    Malacath Ring of Brutality is a very nice tool to experiment with. You can play around with new builds on how to enhance its abilities which, in certain circumstances it will boost your DPS in others it doesn't. It all depends on the circumstances, the playstyle and the build which a player like me, takes so much time to experiment and refine.

    ZOS does well to introduce new gear with new updates, this is the same thing other well known games do, at least you wont have to do away with all the gear like other games do and which are pay to play. So don't hammer ZOS, they don't deserve it especially when you compare ESO with other well known and popular games. What ZOS should try its utmost to avoid is to bump the items. This should be avoided.

    As for this ring, the DPS enhancement depends on how, when and where it is used and the build surrounding it. And no its not overpowered.
  • UrbanMonk
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    Since we are headed into a high damage patch, I don't see what the downside is to increase damage even further by allowing procs to crit.

    You must be new here...

    Proc sets in coming patch with malacath are already quite strong, even with out crit. Its a blessing that Proc Sets dont crit or else with malacath and crit, damage will be through the roof to have Ny counter. And dont think for 1 sec, that people will not abuse it. They will find such ways to abuse malacath proc crit that you havnt even dreamed of.

    Proc sets do not crit and should stay that way.

    Malacath on the other hand will be more or less useless if it did not buff proc damage but thats debatable as their are various class and set combination which agree and disagree with this statement.

    Is Malacath Ring P2W? No. Like any gear in the game you have to have access to the zone and find it in the game, not on a cash shop.
    Edited by UrbanMonk on August 19, 2020 9:58AM
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  • Firstmep
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    Anyone thinks mythic or dlc items are p2w go play Wow for a bit, where every expansion you have to regrimd new expansion gear to even be able to do basic content.
    Or play something like BDO where you can pay real money to upgrade your items.

    Eso is not p2w.
  • TwinLamps
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  • UrbanMonk
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    Dracane wrote: »
    No, proc sets should not be allowed to crit again. This was toxic and removed for good reasons.
    Prevent Malacath's from affecting proc sets and it will be fine again.

    This...
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  • Sergykid
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    again, you can use 5-5-2 and the band. For example, 2 pieces grothdarr, ring neck boots and backbar weapon bsw, mainbar weapon and chest legs gloves belt overwhelming. You proc bsw backbar then on mainbar you have overwhelming to proc.

    there, 100% use of three proc sets all together in the same build with the band
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  • Urzigurumash
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    UrbanMonk wrote: »
    Since we are headed into a high damage patch, I don't see what the downside is to increase damage even further by allowing procs to crit.

    You must be new here...

    This thread is months old and was before the current patch.

    Look man I just want my Keep Door Repair Kits to crit
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