Yeet!

Wuuffyy

I’m going to start by saying that say has absolutely become p2w.

Unless I’ve done my math wrong, here it is (without CP or buffs, default values only.

Current, 5 seconds:
3440+(3440x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5x1.5x1.5h)

=N/A

Now... The new “nerfed” Zaan, including new additional “nerfed” one second:

2010+(2010x2)+(2010x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2x2x2)

=N/A

This is a buff of almost 5x the current amount (Zaan already hits incredibly hard rn)... can you imagine the 25% increased damage ring and then minor berserk, major breach, off balance, shock status effect??? You would be between 300,000-400,000 damage in PvE, and 150,000-200,000 damage in PvP IN 6 SECONDS.

Is this balance? Please plug the math into google and verify or do it yourself if you don’t believe me (copy and paste).

If you had to stay in the beam for more than 3 seconds for any reason (such as lag and looking at zerglings running this), you would be toast. Plus this is super unhealthy for PvE too. IMO.

Dip, Dip Chapato Pip

Tanis-Stormbinder

Let magica have it's day! Magica toons have fallen behind stamina for awhile now.

Ruder

ROFL QUIICK math, it is not how ti works

Damage is 100% incease from the Base one, not the consequential

psychotic13

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

Let magica have it's day! Magica toons have fallen behind stamina for awhile now.

And that's the type of mindset that prevents any balance. They dont need to take turns at being better, they should just be equal.

Wuuffyy

Ruder wrote: »

ROFL QUIICK math, it is not how ti works

Damage is 100% incease from the Base one, not the consequential

I must have failed math. That’s exactly what’s happening here bud.

Wuuffyy

I’m bad at math now.

Wuuffyy

I’m bad at math now.

Ruder

This is what I saw on PTS day 1
2000 / 4000 /6000 / 8000/ 10000 / 12000 dmg on the pts with zaan per tick idk what were you watching

Sanguinor2

Have you actually gone on the pts and tested it? I did and reached the conclusion that your math must be wrong. Not the calculations mind you but zaan doesnt seem to calculate the way you think it does.

Anyway here is a Combat log of a char without a weapon equipped and no cp spent, its not anywhere near 255k Damage.

Wuuffyy

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Have you actually gone on the pts and tested it? I did and reached the conclusion that your math must be wrong. Not the calculations mind you but zaan doesnt seem to calculate the way you think it does.

Anyway here is a Combat log of a char without a weapon equipped and no cp spent, its not anywhere near 255k Damage.

You’re right. I just realized. Yep.

SidraWillowsky

That's not how it works. Each second the multiplier increases by 1. So base damage x2, x3, x4, etc.

It's ultimately not a nerf of you can stay close to the enemy for the full six seconds.

MusCanus

They should already add a set that says smth like this:

(2 items) Look funny at an enemy, dealing Obivion damage equal to 100% of their Max Health. This effect can occur once every 1 minute.

Why not?

GRXRG

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Have you actually gone on the pts and tested it? I did and reached the conclusion that your math must be wrong. Not the calculations mind you but zaan doesnt seem to calculate the way you think it does.

Anyway here is a Combat log of a char without a weapon equipped and no cp spent, its not anywhere near 255k Damage.

Maybe do a comparison on live server and then pts and show both results with same gear class stats food etc.

So he sees the actual difference.

MellowMagic

Zaan has always confused people by its damage. It doesn't double the total damage every second it simply doubles the base damage on the pts or as it is on live it adds 50% of the base damage.

On live zaan is like this:
3.5k - 5.25k -7k - 8.75k - 10.5k

On pts itll be like:
2k - 4k - 6k - 8k - 10k - 12k

This is just a base estimate itll be more damage with all the modifiers and stuff.

Luckylancer

1=base tick. 10=ten times base tick

Old: 3400 x 10 = 34k over 5sec
10=1+1,5+2+2,5+3

New: 2000 x 21 = 42k over 6 sec
21=1+2+3+4+5+6
If you avoid last tick, it will deal 30k in 5sec

Edit: It turnes out zaan tick when applied and when expires. So it is 1 more tick.

Old: 46k
New: 56k, 42k damage in 5sec if last tick is avoided.
I used same method.

Kolzki

Luckylancer wrote: »

1=base tick. 10=ten times base tick

Old: 3400 x 10 = 34k over 5sec
10=1+1,5+2+2,5+3

New: 2000 x 21 = 42k over 6 sec
21=1+2+3+4+5+6
If you avoid last tick, it will deal 30k in 5sec

It ticks 7 times.

SidraWillowsky

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Have you actually gone on the pts and tested it? I did and reached the conclusion that your math must be wrong. Not the calculations mind you but zaan doesnt seem to calculate the way you think it does.

Anyway here is a Combat log of a char without a weapon equipped and no cp spent, its not anywhere near 255k Damage.

Huh... the weird thing is that these numbers match the calculations that I did for the set on live. Which may, of course, be wrong.

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YandereGirlfriend

I simply want a ZOS developer to explain precisely why the meta PvE damage sets keep getting buffs while seldom-used sets like Grundwulf and the support sets keep getting singled-out for random, drive-by nerfs.

What exactly is the end-game here? Because all that they are achieving is cementing the current meta (especially for stamDPS) and somehow reducing the already limited number of options that end-game players have to use.

Unless, of course, the end-game is: May Crown Store Preview, Zaan and Selene's Divines monster hats for 5k Crowns each?

Maulkin

forking wrong thread, g-sus

iaminc

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Unless, of course, the end-game is: May Crown Store Preview, Zaan and Selene's Divines monster hats for 5k Crowns each?

For Christ sake , don’t give them any more effin ideas! 😂

nublife01

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

I’m going to start by saying that say has absolutely become p2w.

Unless I’ve done my math wrong, here it is (without CP or buffs, default values only.

Current, 5 seconds:
3440+(3440x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5x1.5)+(3440x1.5x1.5x1.5x1.5h)

=N/A

Now... The new “nerfed” Zaan, including new additional “nerfed” one second:

2010+(2010x2)+(2010x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2x2)+(2010x2x2x2x2x2)

=N/A

This is a buff of almost 5x the current amount (Zaan already hits incredibly hard rn)... can you imagine the 25% increased damage ring and then minor berserk, major breach, off balance, shock status effect??? You would be between 300,000-400,000 damage in PvE, and 150,000-200,000 damage in PvP IN 6 SECONDS.

Is this balance? Please plug the math into google and verify or do it yourself if you don’t believe me (copy and paste).

If you had to stay in the beam for more than 3 seconds for any reason (such as lag and looking at zerglings running this), you would be toast. Plus this is super unhealthy for PvE too. IMO.

Dip, Dip Chapato Pip

this monster set is how my stamblade will still somehow be viable.