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The Markarth DLC and Update 28 base game patch are now available to test on the PTS! Read the full patch notes here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/pts/

50 pages of patch notes on Monday - ZOS why put so many changes ontop of a broken system!!

nk125x
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Instead fix the problems everyone knows exist ie (Skills not firming/ bar swaps not swapping, <insert your favorite problem here) and just tweak the problems we all know or problems

Here is one example:
Cross Heals - (This is why your sever grinds to a halt - with everyone casting Rapid Regens and AOE Heals - How about limiting each toon to ONLY 1 Rapid and AOE heals only heal your group)

I am sure other people can list issues and give potential solutions - NOT 50 pages of changes on-top of a broken system - @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom how one earth are your developers gonig to find the bugs that already exist with this huge new dump of system changes....

  • Elsonso
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

  • nk125x
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

    I just want patch notes about the new zone WITH NO COMBAT CHANGES - Just fix the broken game, screw unwanted changes that wont work due to the broken game.

    Nerf healing, hell at time I would like the heal to work without rapid pressing of the same key
  • Sanctum74
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

    After 5 years they’ve proven they cant work on other things at the same time, they just make it worse. [snip] defending this method just emboldens them to keep at this disastrous course making the game more broke with each patch.

    [edited for baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_RachelM on April 18, 2020 1:50PM
  • Rake
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    Maybe its 50 pages of fixes :#
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    Relax bro, they got this!
  • Sanctum74
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

    After 5 years they’ve proven they cant work on other things at the same time, they just make it worse. White Knights defending this method just emboldens them to keep at this disastrous course making the game more broke with each patch.

    Sigh.

    If you want performance fixed, the only thing that anyone on this side of the fence can do is let them do it as they see fit. Calling me names is not going to change that.

    And they haven’t done it in 5 years so yeah just keep defending it and buy more clown crates.
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    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

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    "As you saw in Matt’s 2017 roadmap, we are making Cyrodiil performance evaluation and fixing a priority this year. We want to make sure that Cyrodiil is a great PvP experience for everyone. Over the last year, we’ve made some good strides towards refining server performance across all campaigns, and we will continue down that path." -Brian Wheeler
  • Lady_Linux
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    where is a link to the patch notes?
    I simply must protest. There are no Penguin avatars for me to use in the forums.

    BTW, I use arch too
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    How do you propose they do that w/out making changes? That's not rhetorical either, the only way to squash a bug is to fix what's causing it, and that will require changing something, because if nothing changes, nothing changes.
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    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

    You got that bit right.
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    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    where is a link to the patch notes?
    Not published yet. Rich tweeted last night he was reviewing them, so seems no final version ready yet.

    Monday is their post date, so I guess Gina is working over the weekend on them again.
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  • redgreensunset
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Lady_Linux wrote: »
    where is a link to the patch notes?
    Not published yet. Rich tweeted last night he was reviewing them, so seems no final version ready yet.

    Monday is their post date, so I guess Gina is working over the weekend on them again.

    So OP is complaining about something they haven't even seen yet?

    Lol. Well that's par for the course in the forum so I guess I shouldn't be all that surprised.
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    this is combat in eso mag staffs using stam for light attacks yet nothing gets done about it but ohhhh were going to add more stuff nice team we have working on the game
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  • TheShadowScout
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    You can look at it this way...
    nk125x wrote: »
    50 pages of changes on-top of a broken system
    ...or you can look at it that way...
    Rake wrote: »
    Maybe its 50 pages of fixes :#
    ...maybe... figure out which one will make you happier until the time you actually -know-, and then go with that one? :p;)
  • nk125x
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    Elsonso wrote: »
    You should wait until after the patch notes come out to say things like this.

    No, how can you make changes when skills and basic mechanics are not even working? You cant balance thing off of a broken system, priorities are skewed. Fix the game first then make changes IF needed.

    Consider the mild possibility that some of those changes are, indeed, attempted fixes.

    Just like last patch was attempted fixes and made it worse and didn’t even have half the changes they just introduced. They shouldn’t be introducing broad changes until performance is properly addressed.

    The thing is that performance ain't gonna get fixed any faster doing it your way. When they get the ability desync fixed, which can be fixed as they work on other things, a lot of problems will probably clear up and combat will feel better.

    After 5 years they’ve proven they cant work on other things at the same time, they just make it worse. White Knights defending this method just emboldens them to keep at this disastrous course making the game more broke with each patch.

    Sigh.

    If you want performance fixed, the only thing that anyone on this side of the fence can do is let them do it as they see fit. Calling me names is not going to change that.

    And they haven’t done it in 5 years so yeah just keep defending it and buy more clown crates.

    The only people that think there are no problems are the role players buying the crates for fluff
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    When you have to decide between fixing the existing mess, or introducing 50 Pages of new potential trouble.
    Edited by FatherDelve on April 18, 2020 11:58AM
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