Should animations be reworked or removed so we no longer have to "cancel them"?

Knowledge

casparian

Yes.

Yes. The game should be reworked so that all skills consist of an identical animation of identical length, so that no one has to worry about anything complicated like thinking about what they're doing. It's too confusing and difficult to have wonder when the animation is going to end, and so all animations should be the same so you never have to worry about that. Maybe, if players want, different classes can have different-colored animations, to provide class identity.

Nord_Raseri

No.

You don'e HAVE to ani cancel. I don't. I do very basic LA weaving without canceling the animation and I certainly don't block/bash cancel skills. I'm at 50k dps right now, which is good enough for most things. Btw, If you can't animation cancel at all, you'll die from not being able to block or roll dodge in time to avoid 1-shot mechanics.

Nanfoodle

No.

You don't get it, we should not be able to cancel them. This is a part of the problem with this game. It's a bug they never fixed and now the ESO community use it in every build and kick people from guilds if they are not good at it. PvP tournaments wouldn't even look at Elder Scrolls online because of it. Hard core PvPers won't even look at this game because of it. This should have been fixed in beta when it was reported.

Nanfoodle

No.

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What ESO combat looks like, it's not a feature.

Azmarul

No.

Have you ever dodge rolled or blocked all of a sudden after casting a skill? That is an example of animation canceling. I too used to be a hater on animation canceling.

This attitude (including in my case) tends to come from a lack of understanding of why it is actually has an important purpose in combat oriented games, and also an understanding of what it really takes to increase one's own damage. If you can't cancel an animation, you can't do things like block an incoming attack quickly or dodge roll a fast moving aoe. You'd have to wait for the entire previous skill to play out and it would not feel responsive. Other MMOs that have dodge rolling also have some type of animation canceling.

You also don't have to do animation canceling as part of your rotation to be good. You can, and most people start to do it eventually without trying. I used to be very bad at dps and now I'm pretty good, and animation canceling is not that big a part of it.

I hope this helps.

Lord_Eomer

Yes.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_GinaBruno

This game power hunger in PVE demands Your Hands to CLick Faster but not Gear, CP levels progression etc.

Combat system is such a foul play!

Nanfoodle

No.

Azmarul wrote: »

Have you ever dodge rolled or blocked all of a sudden after casting a skill? That is an example of animation canceling. I too used to be a hater on animation canceling.

This attitude (including in my case) tends to come from a lack of understanding of why it is actually has an important purpose in combat oriented games, and also an understanding of what it really takes to increase one's own damage. If you can't cancel an animation, you can't do things like block an incoming attack quickly or dodge roll a fast moving aoe. You'd have to wait for the entire previous skill to play out and it would not feel responsive. Other MMOs that have dodge rolling also have some type of animation canceling.

You also don't have to do animation canceling as part of your rotation to be good. You can, and most people start to do it eventually without trying. I used to be very bad at dps and now I'm pretty good, and animation canceling is not that big a part of it.

I hope this helps.

It's one thing to be able to cancel to be able to dodge and block. Most games let you do that. ESO takes it too the next level. Chaining attacks so that animations are removed to artificially raise your DSP higher then the game originally intended. Animation normally is part of class balance. Some games even changing a classes animation so that classes fitting the same roles don't have an unfair advantage. Zeni has gone so far from that, the game needs a large scale rework to get there.

AhPook_Is_Here

Yes.

I don't have a problem with a toggle to turn all animations and effects off, as long as it comes with text overlays with prompts so you don't have to run animations in PVP, just get block, dodge, interrupt text bubbles so you can react. I think the hearing impaired would really benefit from this, had a few deaf friends who left a long time ago because of some events that only had sound queues.

Starlock

Other (explain below)

"We" don't have to cancel anything. In any case, it's pretty standard for games to have cancel/undo built into how they work. The question is how it is implemented, and whether or not it is implemented well.

After playing for a while with the new patch, the changes to how animations flow into blocking really helped improve the feel of that aspect. It definitely has done a lot to resolve my major gripe with how animation cancels are handled in this game - what happens on screen should match the calculations the game is making behind the scenes. There's still room for some more improvement, certainly, but it's definitely getting there!

max_only

Animations that look old or stiff should be reworked.

Some of the run/walk cycles, especially swashbuckler and commander.

Some other animations could be improved. Rezzing animation could be varied between old and new instead of just the new gasping one.

Hm, there are a few weapon animations that could use more flair and impact.

I’d like it if Argonians had crocodile swim just for some variety.

I know that’s not what you meant but the animation cancelling argument is so old and tired it’s not worth discussing again.

Lord_Eomer

Yes.

When players have best Gear, Max CP and still they can not compete as DPS in Chapter Non HM PVE trials because they can not click mouse faster?

This need some serious changes to encourage players with contents

NoodleESO

No.

Stop posting these polls pls, you’re clearly trying to change the way the whole game works. Why not just move to another game if you don’t like it?

Dusk_Coven

Yes.

There's too much button mashing too quickly to exploit animation cancellation, which was nonsensical to begin with.
Clearly the servers can't handle it because they can't keep up and process all the clicks properly.
Maybe that's why other games don't let this nonsense go on and on, unlike ESO.
Not recognizing animation cancellation as an exploit to begin with and cutting it out of the game early is ZOS's biggest mistake and they have been paying for it ever since trying to keep up with allowing this "play style".

Iskiab

Yes.

Of course they should be. Animation cancelling is a work around because the game was made with some animations that are too long so need to be canceled so they don’t interfere with the next skill.

tmbrinks

No.

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

There's too much button mashing too quickly to exploit animation cancellation, which was nonsensical to begin with.
Clearly the servers can't handle it because they can't keep up and process all the clicks properly.
Maybe that's why other games don't let this nonsense go on and on, unlike ESO.
Not recognizing animation cancellation as an exploit to begin with and cutting it out of the game early is ZOS's biggest mistake and they have been paying for it ever since trying to keep up with allowing this "play style".

Have you actually looked at the videos of the people who post the 70/80/90k parses on the Trial Dummy? That doesn't look like "button mashing" to me.

I'm sure you type much, much, much faster than what you're being asked to do to get those types of parses.

Noxavian

Yes.

Knowledge wrote: »

animation bad


who needs animations when the true display of 'skillllll'''' is displayed by cancelling said animations.

We might get new skills lines if we didn't have animations to worry about because then they'd take less work!

Vevvev

No.

No matter how you rework the animations there will always be someone out there cancelling them cause they're not fast enough. Instead the animations should blend together so its not so jarring as it is now.

Sanguinor2

Lord_Eomer wrote: »

When players have best Gear, Max CP and still they can not compete as DPS in Chapter Non HM PVE trials because they can not click mouse faster?

This need some serious changes to encourage players with contents

Not being able to clear vCR+0 with BIS gear in a heavy attack build (aka not light attack weaving) is a you issue im afraid. VCR+0 has literally no dps check, all you have to do is do mechanics, not be stupid and survive. Same with HoF, HoF was cleared after Morro patch, aka when our dps was much lower than it is now and heavy attack builds can exceed the morro dps Level, not to Mention that they nerfed HoF so not being able to clear that is, once again, a you issue.

Noxavian

Yes.

Vevvev wrote: »

No matter how you rework the animations there will always be someone out there cancelling them cause they're not fast enough. Instead the animations should blend together so its not so jarring as it is now.

Not unless they literally rework animations to where they can't be animation-cancelled.

Elsonso

Other (explain below)

They already reworked the animation, actually. Next step is to just remove all animation. Just have the character stand in the "cross" pose and slide across the ground as we move.

Wolfshade

No.

For what? If you dont want to cancel, dont do it!

TheValar85

Yes.

Yes it should be removed completly, the game is still unstable lags, desyncs, frame drops, teher is no point to have anim cancel at all. and btw it is an exploit wich is also against the TOS (LOL i know right? we basicly exploiting the game )

n0tthesun

No.

no. i'd rather ZOS fix how my skills sometimes refuse to go off. animation canceling is useful. not being able to cast a skill is not.

NyassaV

Other (explain below)

There are some skills that shouldn't be cancel-able but I feel as if a majority of them should be. However they should be still be somewhat telegraphed even if they are canceled.

Knowledge

Yes.

Some animations, like newer skill lines, can't be cancelled. I wonder if it would be possible to simply make it so the old ones couldn't be cancelled either?

blkjag

No.

If you don’t like it don’t do it. Easy.

StaticWave

No.

Knowledge wrote: »

Seriously though why are you so hung up on animation canceling? It's not going to go away so deal with it

Royaji

I do feel bad for trying to actually be constructive in a Knowledge-poll but here goes nothing...

No animation should exceed the GCD for instant skills and respective cast time/channel time for cast time/channel skills.

It's really that simple. Trying to balance MMO combat around animation length is a bad idea and the fact that balanced trait is no longer in the game proves it.

idk

No.

Knowledge wrote: »

Some animations, like newer skill lines, can't be cancelled. I wonder if it would be possible to simply make it so the old ones couldn't be cancelled either?

With any skill, the server determines when the damage occurs. What we see with animation canceling is mostly a desync between the client and the server. Further, with all skills there is a GCD of ~1 second that controls how much time is required for that skill. That is the control for all skills.

Malmai

Yes.

I think we better play pac man, hes got no animations just pew pew...