Do older outfits need a touch up?

NoodleESO

Do you think older outfits and motifs could use a touch up? The newer motifs always look amazing and they get better each year but older outfits like the lion guard costume has not aged well and have become a bit of an eye sore.

Instead of reskinning mounts perhaps Zos should go back and update these things to make the game look and feel more polished.

StormeReigns

Yes update the older stuff

The older stuff does still hold up well. But many styles could and should get a bit of a cleaning and touch up to hold its own against the newer crisper styles.

More so if you like to mix and match styles and the detail and quality becomes more visible. But this is more QoL and subjective.

spartaxoxo

No don’t update

No. They will just add more of the stupid tassle waist things to styles that don't have them or make them dye like garbage.

Older and newer stuff both have their advantages.

CyberOnEso

If they did this people would complain as they bought the old version.
People would say ZOS is ruining what they previously bought and would demand a refund.

ZOS said they wouldn't do this due to the backlash that occurred after they updated the redguard motif years ago.

redspecter23

No don’t update

No. If they change anything about old outfits or styles, it will be considered a negative change to at least some portion of the playerbase. It's better just to add new styles and costumes and maintain the old ones. That way everyone is happy.

Olauron

Other

Old outfits (motifs) should not be changed, but updating texture resolution would be good. I would use Ancient Elf (for example) much more, alas it looks blurry now.

colossalvoids

No don’t update

Old motifs will be revamped anyway (as separate pages)as far as i remember, there were shots from pre pts even.

Tigerseye

Yes update the older stuff

CyberOnEso wrote: »

If they did this people would complain as they bought the old version.
People would say ZOS is ruining what they previously bought and would demand a refund.

ZOS said they wouldn't do this due to the backlash that occurred after they updated the redguard motif years ago.

But, they didn't just update the Redguard Motif, they changed it entirely.

Making something graphically sharper and perhaps, also, better fitting to each char's individual build and shape, is not the same as changing necklines, or adding, or removing, style features.

Some of the outfits and costumes totally change the shape of female chars.

For example, by making the breasts larger and pinching in the waist, in the case of costumes that show the midriff.

Seeing as there can be no corsetting and there isn't an overly padded bra involved as far as we know(!), that shouldn't happen.

Or, conversely (but, equally bizarrely), increasing the size of the waist, rather than reducing it slightly, in the case of some corsetted styles.

To the point where I ended up making my char's waist slightly smaller than I wanted it, to make these corsetted styles (which she wore a lot, especially while levelling) look OK.

Also, many longer top styles, as well as (sometimes) over-emphasising breast size, also assume your char has either the maximum butt size, or perhaps the typical butt size for her top half and so, protrude unnaturally, if she has a smaller behind.

A few small tweaks to ensure they all fit and/or represent every char's shape properly would help a lot.

Runefang

Yes update the older stuff

Olauron wrote: »

Old outfits (motifs) should not be changed, but updating texture resolution would be good. I would use Ancient Elf (for example) much more, alas it looks blurry now.

This is what I assumed the OP was about.

Its awful to mix new and old motifs because of the texture resolution difference.

Suligost

Yes update the older stuff

Have you seen some of old shoes? Flat feet, weird texture... I've seen better models in Morrowind single player (maybe with worse textures but way better models).

Taunky

No don’t update

Stop giving them more Crown Store suggestions, we've got bigger things to worry about.

Danikat

No don’t update

I'd be very wary of making any changes to things players have already bought, because even if technically it's an improvement it will probably look worse to some people and it would be a real shame to have something you previously liked and used ruined by a "fix".

For example I usually turn antialiasing off in games because I find it makes things look blurry, and I usually avoid the FX mods which other people recommend because to me it just looks like someone has ramped up the brightness and contrast until everything looks horribly artificial. If someone who liked those effects 'improved' any of the older outfits or motifs I'm using chances are I'd have to go and find something else to use instead. If it's anything I bought from the crown store I'd be asking for a refund.

I have no idea what the OP has in mind as a 'touch up' but without knowing that I'd prefer to just stick with what we've got, even if it does look older. At least that way you know what you paid for and how it looks instead of having it changed after you've already paid.

Vaoh

Careful what you wish for. With most games I would say yes. However this is ZOS......

When they “touch up” on balancing, it’s with a sledgehammer-style buff/nerf. In the context of outfits, a touch up might include a significant redesign which is not what anyone wants and would lead to a lot of complaints.

InaMoonlight

Yes update the older stuff

I said yes, buuut, of course its tentative, yes, being able to dye stuff better would be nice, removal of hipshields which makes people create anorexic looking chars to get make them look less unbalanced. On the other hand, some bought them for the exact look they HAVE

It's a tough one, but I'd at least remove the worst of the hipshields, and make them more receptible to dye..

idk

No don’t update

Vaoh wrote: »

Careful what you wish for. With most games I would say yes. However this is ZOS......

When they “touch up” on balancing, it’s with a sledgehammer-style buff/nerf. In the context of outfits, a touch up might include a significant redesign which is not what anyone wants and would lead to a lot of complaints.

Zos has touched up some of the older motifs. Changes that lead to threads asking for returning the motif to its original design. It is not always better.

Basically, you are correct. Be careful what you ask for. Just might get it and regret it.

Ratzkifal

It looks like ZOS is doing exactly that. There are more polished versions of the basegame High Elf and Nord Style in Greymoor as loot for the archeology thing that's coming. They are counted as separate motifs, so the old ones are not going away, which is great for the people that prefer the old look. But I gotta say, the new one looks pretty good.
I sure hope they will add more motifs over time. The Dunmer style needs a serious polish. That heavy helmet just looks silly and nothing like the concept art.

CyberOnEso

Ratzkifal wrote: »

It looks like ZOS is doing exactly that. There are more polished versions of the basegame High Elf and Nord Style in Greymoor as loot for the archeology thing that's coming. They are counted as separate motifs, so the old ones are not going away, which is great for the people that prefer the old look. But I gotta say, the new one looks pretty good.

Those are the tier 5 motifs of the racial styles, they already exist in game you could just never use them as an outfit, but you can find them occasionally. I do really hope they add them to the outfit system with Greymoor!

Watchdog

Yes update the older stuff

I would say some older motifs definitely could use some better textures on them, such as the Dwemer motif, shown here with a newer Engine Guardian Outfit Style quiver:

Ratzkifal

CyberOnEso wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

It looks like ZOS is doing exactly that. There are more polished versions of the basegame High Elf and Nord Style in Greymoor as loot for the archeology thing that's coming. They are counted as separate motifs, so the old ones are not going away, which is great for the people that prefer the old look. But I gotta say, the new one looks pretty good.

Those are the tier 5 motifs of the racial styles, they already exist in game you could just never use them as an outfit, but you can find them occasionally. I do really hope they add them to the outfit system with Greymoor!

Yes and no. The tier 5 motifs only had weapons, specifically the style of the master weapons, but they had no armor. They are adding armor to the existing weapons and call them "Ancestral X motif"

Starlock

No don’t update

If they're going to "touch up" (bad way of phrasing it, IMHO) anything, it makes a lot more sense to prioritize the base game zones. Granted, that would also be a lot more work, but also a lot more value.

NoodleESO

I would say just a texture update is needed but I do want to hear what other people think, I would like to see the original motif to look more like their concept art though, now that its possible.

Thevampirenight

Yes update the older stuff

Some of the early female costumes need to be reworked. Spoiler ed the pictures so doesn't take up to much space. These are outfits that were not done very well at least when it comes to how they were shaped/ When worn it makes the character model look as if they have major bodily infections and have not died from the infection yet or their stomach/intestinal region looks closer to being skeletal as if your starving yourself and basically bones so to speak. So more unhealthy and unrealistic proportions that look like your in poor health. That is why I'm calling out the following that should be revamped because of this. That way they look decent and not like your going to die or could die soon when wearing them.

Noble dress- The stomach area it way to squeezed as if your missing a of mass there. Its so very tight to where its constricting and that is way to skinny in the intestinal region. As if you went a few weeks with very little food just so you could look very skinny as suffering from anorexia. That is what I really dislike about this outfit and turns me off from wanting to even wear it on my characters. I do love the look of the noble suit outfit. Its unisex enough so either gender can wear it and not stand out and it does look nice on both genders.

Sand-Kissed Salwar Ensemble
It feels exaggerated with the body proportions as if your legs and chest regions swelled up like a balloon. As if having a massive infection or something.

Whisperweft Gala Wear
This one has the same issues as the Sand-kissed and its just bad because looks like your legs and chest area are swelled up like a balloon.

I think its because they used the male skeletal model for these outfits and that could be the reason why they don't look so great. These older costumes a lot of the issues could be fixed if they used the female skeletal model for the costumes instead of the male skeletal model.

SickleCider

Yes update the older stuff

InaMoonlight wrote: »

I said yes, buuut, of course its tentative, yes, being able to dye stuff better would be nice, removal of hipshields which makes people create anorexic looking chars to get make them look less unbalanced. [. . .]

Oh, is THAT why people make such unnaturally thin characters? I thought it was because of some very warped ideas about body image. Glad to know there's a different reason.

Sylvermynx

Other

Actually, I make tall thin characters with no boobs as that's the opposite of what I deal with IRL.

As far as the actual question goes, I don't use base game stuff at all. So *shrug* - nope, I don't want the artists wasting time on base game motifs.

But that's just me - if they choose to go there, fine. I still won't use base game motifs.

Nanfoodle

No don’t update

I like some of the old stuff. Lion guard scouts costume I got on a simple quest as a reward is one of my favourites. Sai's is right up there for me as well. That's the thing, you may not like it but updating it will wreck it for others.

TheShadowScout

Yes update the older stuff

Yeah, some of the old looks pretty lackluster compared to new motivs.

But I still remember well the whining back then they DID update the redguard and orc motivs... so I expect they will not touch that again, and indtead release any "updated" versions of old base styles as entirely new motiv for people to chase... which would have the added benefit of leaving the old available for those who like it.

pod88kk

Other

To be honest with you I fell like the Dev team should be working more on making this game work well on a basic platform eg XboxOne, PS4 or basic rig while those who have an upgraded system such as an Xbox OneX, PS4+ or amt decent gaming rig should notice a decent upgrade in performance level.

Seriously this game has been out for 6 years now, 5 on consoles, how have they not been able to decide on what type of combat system they want by now? FF7 has been out for 19 years, runs smooth and they've added more servers to account for the added vanilla server volume!!! How do the accounting team not realise that as soon as FF14 comes out there's going to be a mass exodus of players. Not players who are looking forward to a Korean style MMORPG but an exodus of people who are so fed up of the rotten state of performance in ESO at the moment.

As a monthly paying customer I'm honestly looking at lodging a complaint with EU consumer law agencies because it unacceptable right now

StormeReigns

Yes update the older stuff

pod88kk wrote: »

To be honest with you I fell like the Dev team should be working more on making this game work well on a basic platform eg XboxOne, PS4 or basic rig while those who have an upgraded system such as an Xbox OneX, PS4+ or amt decent gaming rig should notice a decent upgrade in performance level.

Seriously this game has been out for 6 years now, 5 on consoles, how have they not been able to decide on what type of combat system they want by now? FF7 has been out for 19 years, runs smooth and they've added more servers to account for the added vanilla server volume!!! How do the accounting team not realise that as soon as FF14 comes out there's going to be a mass exodus of players. Not players who are looking forward to a Korean style MMORPG but an exodus of people who are so fed up of the rotten state of performance in ESO at the moment.

As a monthly paying customer I'm honestly looking at lodging a complaint with EU consumer law agencies because it unacceptable right now

Dev team and Art team are two separate departments that have different budget funds.
And FFVII? servers? sorry but FFVII came out on the PS1 in 97. 23years old. No servers - originally had 4 discs.
Did you mean FFXI? They been reducing and merging servers. Kujata being one of the largest during its prime was the first to be merged into Odin server - and there is no vanilla server for FFXI; and XI still having plenty of issues from 18years ago - you must be thinking of WoW, which is 15years soon to be sweet 16; which has been having it's own issues as well.

FFXIV has been out for a while now just FYI.

newtinmpls

Other

Look at the artwork for the Recent Senche-Rhat mount, and then compare it to the artwork for the Nix hound pet.

Olauron

Other

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Noble dress- The stomach area it way to squeezed as if your missing a of mass there. Its so very tight to where its constricting and that is way to skinny in the intestinal region. As if you went a few weeks with very little food just so you could look very skinny as suffering from anorexia. That is what I really dislike about this outfit and turns me off from wanting to even wear it on my characters. I do love the look of the noble suit outfit. Its unisex enough so either gender can wear it and not stand out and it does look nice on both genders.

Well, this is exactly why I am against changing outfits and motifs as only the textures should be upgraded. This noble dress is good as it is. It looks like it should look. There is such a thing as corset and it will change the shape of the body.

Aelorin

No don’t update

No, they should leave the old ones as they are. I still use some of them.

I would not mind a 2.0 version though, while maintaining the 1.0 version.