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Hey ZOS, I think there's still a couple of NB skills you forgot to give to all the other classes.

Langeston
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You might want to get on that.

[edit] In case anyone is wondering what I am referring to, these are the latest of the two skills that ZOS decided all the other classes need to have, so they ripped them right out of the NB toolkit.:
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At this point, NBs are only good for RP.
Edited by Langeston on March 30, 2020 9:15PM
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    If I were to nitpick, the last 2 remaining is Soul Tether and Sap Essence. Other than that I can not think of a NB skill that would be either useless or already copied / had better commonly available weapon / guild / world skill.
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  • mav1234
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    like the NB abilities, but arguably much stronger. yay!
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  • Moonsorrow
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    :|

    The series of giving everything away from NB just continues.. Fear Evil was just a start as i said then, i knew they gonna also make an universal Cloak soon (that can also be done while using something better than Invis pots).

    What is the point of NB class anymore? Seriously?

    They need to make a full NB rework pretty much. NB is now only couple decent passives and thats it.
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  • RaunHunter
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    Yeah, not a fan of this at all. But someone did mention that the new Vampire skill line is undoubtedly going to have it when there was a call for more accessible invisibility. I thought it would be an active, if at all. It's a passive, lol. Literally no reason to pick NB any more except for nostalgia.
    Lesson #1: Red means dead.
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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    :|

    The series of giving everything away from NB just continues.. Fear Evil was just a start as i said then, i knew they gonna also make an universal Cloak soon (that can also be done while using something better than Invis pots).

    What is the point of NB class anymore? Seriously?

    They need to make a full NB rework pretty much. NB is now only couple decent passives and thats it.

    The saddest part is that it is way better than NB cloak. It is a passive, that activate when you are sprinting. No need to re-cast every 2.8 seconds. No need to practise it. No need to learn it. No global cool-down wasted. Just brain-dead easy to use "toggle"... I don't know what to say.
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  • Kolzki
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    Sweet. Time to turn my cowards gear build into a vampire. Stealth farming ftw!
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  • blkjag
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    It’s a sad day.
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  • Everstorm
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    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    :|

    The series of giving everything away from NB just continues.. Fear Evil was just a start as i said then, i knew they gonna also make an universal Cloak soon (that can also be done while using something better than Invis pots).

    What is the point of NB class anymore? Seriously?

    They need to make a full NB rework pretty much. NB is now only couple decent passives and thats it.

    The saddest part is that it is way better than NB cloak. It is a passive, that activate when you are sprinting. No need to re-cast every 2.8 seconds. No need to practise it. No need to learn it. No global cool-down wasted. Just brain-dead easy to use "toggle"... I don't know what to say.

    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.
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  • RaunHunter
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.

    You cannot sprint with Cloak. It kicks you out of invisibility. So, this is far better by removing the one weakness NB Cloak had.
    Edited by RaunHunter on March 30, 2020 3:58PM
    Lesson #1: Red means dead.
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  • M_Volsung
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    [ laughs in dragon knight ]
    Edited by M_Volsung on March 30, 2020 4:00PM
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  • brandonv516
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    Yeah can't have a snare on Mass Hysteria because it's too powerful to have it occur after a stun but let's just give it to Vampires.

    They have zero originality. All their ideas come from stripping NBs of what they had.
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  • actosh
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    NB should really get a rework. Almost everything the class has is somewhere else to find in a much stronger version.
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  • Kolzki
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Everstorm wrote: »
    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.

    You cannot sprint with Cloak. It kicks you out of invisibility. So, this is far better by removing the one weakness NB Cloak had.

    So this rolls together both cloak and concealed weapon? Or does a vampire nb cloak-sprint at horse speed?
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  • yRaven
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    Look what they're doing to my girl, if i had a damn class change tolken i would make her a warden, can't delete because she's my 9 traits crafter
    Edited by yRaven on March 30, 2020 4:06PM
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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Everstorm wrote: »
    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    :|

    The series of giving everything away from NB just continues.. Fear Evil was just a start as i said then, i knew they gonna also make an universal Cloak soon (that can also be done while using something better than Invis pots).

    What is the point of NB class anymore? Seriously?

    They need to make a full NB rework pretty much. NB is now only couple decent passives and thats it.

    The saddest part is that it is way better than NB cloak. It is a passive, that activate when you are sprinting. No need to re-cast every 2.8 seconds. No need to practise it. No need to learn it. No global cool-down wasted. Just brain-dead easy to use "toggle"... I don't know what to say.

    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.
    New vamp invisibility will synergise best with: Warden, Necro and Sorc, obviously.
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  • Everstorm
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Everstorm wrote: »
    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.

    You cannot sprint with Cloak. It kicks you out of invisibility. So, this is far better by removing the one weakness NB Cloak had.

    I guess I never actually tried that even though I've been playing a NB for years...
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  • RaunHunter
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    Kolzki wrote: »
    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Everstorm wrote: »
    Now just think: if the amount of time it takes before that sprint invis kicks in is about 3 seconds then which class can be invisible during those 3 seconds. It would be an almost perfect synergy.

    You cannot sprint with Cloak. It kicks you out of invisibility. So, this is far better by removing the one weakness NB Cloak had.

    So this rolls together both cloak and concealed weapon? Or does a vampire nb cloak-sprint at horse speed?

    I would assume the 25% speed boost from Concealed Weapon does apply when invis-sprinting as well, so yes.
    Lesson #1: Red means dead.
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  • Ri_Khan
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    So this vampire skill-line is locked behind the chapter purchase or will it be new base game content?
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    Ri_Khan wrote: »
    So this vampire skill-line is locked behind the chapter purchase or will it be new base game content?

    Vampire rework should be base game.
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  • WilliamESO
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    Zos you can make a lot more money by allowing to gift houses by selling radiant apex for 5k gems but you will loose lot of money with your nerfs about class. Stop trying to over balance the game like this by killing a class identity it's a very bad idea for gameplay and bad business plan too.
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  • TX12001rwb17_ESO
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    Imagine how OP that would be with the cowards set, 30% speed boost when sprinting + Invisibility.
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  • ku5h
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    Moonsorrow wrote: »
    :|

    The series of giving everything away from NB just continues.. Fear Evil was just a start as i said then, i knew they gonna also make an universal Cloak soon (that can also be done while using something better than Invis pots).

    What is the point of NB class anymore? Seriously?

    They need to make a full NB rework pretty much. NB is now only couple decent passives and thats it.

    The saddest part is that it is way better than NB cloak. It is a passive, that activate when you are sprinting. No need to re-cast every 2.8 seconds. No need to practise it. No need to learn it. No global cool-down wasted. Just brain-dead easy to use "toggle"... I don't know what to say.

    How? I read somewhere it takes 8 sec of continuous sprinting.
    How is that in any way, shape or form better then just insta ability.
    If it was 2 sec, then maybe, but still not as good as Cloak since it would be way more predictable.

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  • Universe
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    We need to rename Elder Scrolls Online to Elder Vampires Online :D
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  • Rave the Histborn
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Yeah, not a fan of this at all. But someone did mention that the new Vampire skill line is undoubtedly going to have it when there was a call for more accessible invisibility. I thought it would be an active, if at all. It's a passive, lol. Literally no reason to pick NB any more except for nostalgia.

    Sprinting for x seconds vs a button press that removes dots and last longer.

    Yup, NBs are dead now that every class has access to mediocre, breakable invis that costs more than cloak. Whatever will they do???
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  • Iskiab
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    How would invis from sprinting even work? Wouldn’t sprinting kick you out of invis?
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    Sprinting for x seconds vs a button press that removes dots and last longer.

    Yup, NBs are dead now that every class has access to mediocre, breakable invis that costs more than cloak. Whatever will they do???

    How is "virtually as long as you can sprint" shorter than 3 seconds? Also, Vampires also have a skill that removes dots. It reads 'Mist Form'. Costs more? It doesn't cost anything, except the stamina cost for sprinting, which everyone else has to pay as well. Breakable invis? Cloak is breakable as well; in fact, it breaks on sprinting, when in combat, and is still bug-ridden. So... Virtually everything you said is invalid.
    Edited by RaunHunter on March 30, 2020 5:27PM
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  • Royaji
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Yeah, not a fan of this at all. But someone did mention that the new Vampire skill line is undoubtedly going to have it when there was a call for more accessible invisibility. I thought it would be an active, if at all. It's a passive, lol. Literally no reason to pick NB any more except for nostalgia.

    Sprinting for x seconds vs a button press that removes dots and last longer.

    Yup, NBs are dead now that every class has access to mediocre, breakable invis that costs more than cloak. Whatever will they do???

    Funny thing about cloak removing DoTs, remember why ZOS made it work that way? They weren't able to uncouple taking damage from breaking invisibility. Something tells me this new passive will work in a very similar way.
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Yeah, not a fan of this at all. But someone did mention that the new Vampire skill line is undoubtedly going to have it when there was a call for more accessible invisibility. I thought it would be an active, if at all. It's a passive, lol. Literally no reason to pick NB any more except for nostalgia.

    Sprinting for x seconds vs a button press that removes dots and last longer.

    Yup, NBs are dead now that every class has access to mediocre, breakable invis that costs more than cloak. Whatever will they do???

    Wait cloak removes dots..... I thought it only supresses them..... Also this invisinility will most likely also supress dots because zos can not get invis to work while damage is ticking on you
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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    RaunHunter wrote: »
    Yeah, not a fan of this at all. But someone did mention that the new Vampire skill line is undoubtedly going to have it when there was a call for more accessible invisibility. I thought it would be an active, if at all. It's a passive, lol. Literally no reason to pick NB any more except for nostalgia.

    Sprinting for x seconds vs a button press that removes dots and last longer.

    Yup, NBs are dead now that every class has access to mediocre, breakable invis that costs more than cloak. Whatever will they do???

    Wait cloak removes dots..... I thought it only supresses them..... Also this invisinility will most likely also supress dots because zos can not get invis to work while damage is ticking on you
    Cloak is suppressing dots, not removing them. At least by design, because right now it is bugged and everything breaks it...

    In the "ancient" times, cloak had a build in purge instead of dot suppression, so it was removing like maybe 5 negative effects (If I remember correctly). So if you had more than 5 dots, you would have to cast it 2 or maybe even 3 times.
    Long story short: ZOS could not code it properly (it worked sometimes, and sometimes it did not) so they converted into dot suppression... but somehow their coding skills got worse because (as mentioned above), now that does not work either lol.
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  • Deathlord92
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    The only thing that would actually make this right is something they should have done long ago buff cloak give us our purge back no one can deny nb cloak is weak against any good players.
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