Greymoor - New trial sets heavy attack based, so the new changes are going ahead regardless?

Dogzey

As the title says. Will any player feedback matter if they have already planned the next updates content around it.

mairwen85

And planned well in advance.

Qbiken

To be fair what did you expect, ZOS ignores the majority of feedback that is given to them. Making threads to provide feedback is just to give players a feeling that their opinions matter, when in reality ZOS doesn't really care.

mairwen85

Qbiken wrote: »

To be fair what did you expect, ZOS ignores the majority of feedback that is given to them. Making threads to provide feedback is just to give players a feeling that their opinions matter, when in reality ZOS doesn't really care.

Community scepticism venerated (again). Or maybe these new sets are intended to provide a BIS alternative to lower apm players?

Qbiken

mairwen85 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

To be fair what did you expect, ZOS ignores the majority of feedback that is given to them. Making threads to provide feedback is just to give players a feeling that their opinions matter, when in reality ZOS doesn't really care.

Community scepticism venerated (again). Or maybe these new sets are intended to provide a BIS alternative to lower apm players?

Just scrap this APM arguments, they're bad scapegoats for something else that ZOS doesn't publicly want to come out with. And the changes proposed to Light- and heavy attacks are bad in every single way possible and doesn't adress the gap between the "low tier" and "high tier" camps of the player base...

mairwen85

Qbiken wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

To be fair what did you expect, ZOS ignores the majority of feedback that is given to them. Making threads to provide feedback is just to give players a feeling that their opinions matter, when in reality ZOS doesn't really care.

Community scepticism venerated (again). Or maybe these new sets are intended to provide a BIS alternative to lower apm players?

Just scrap this APM arguments, they're bad scapegoats for something else that ZOS doesn't publicly want to come out with. And the changes proposed to Light- and heavy attacks are bad in every single way possible and doesn't adress the gap between the "low tier" and "high tier" camps of the player base...

I'm not disagreeing with you. Soon as I saw the proposed changes, I new the next chapter would be all sets designed explicitly around them.

For the record, I don't support the changes either.

Dogzey

mairwen85 wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

To be fair what did you expect, ZOS ignores the majority of feedback that is given to them. Making threads to provide feedback is just to give players a feeling that their opinions matter, when in reality ZOS doesn't really care.

Community scepticism venerated (again). Or maybe these new sets are intended to provide a BIS alternative to lower apm players?

APM argument is a terrible one and is a scapegoat. They have literally ignored the actual issue which they said on stream last year would be addressed this year sometime which is CP.

Skorro

Was there ever a doubt?

colossalvoids

And yet again major slayer sets like master architect and war machine made useless with 12 man slayer set, can we sometimes get anything unique or interesting and not butcher older ones yet again?

mairwen85

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Dogzey

mairwen85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Awful job at conveying sarcasm in the first comment. /s may have helped.

mairwen85

Dogzey wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Awful job at conveying sarcasm in the first comment. /s may have helped.

I think you're directing that frustration at the wrong target. When people start griping at those in agreement with them, there's some deep rooted issues at play.

The whole off-cycle PTS (as well every PTS cycle)is a farce, as I have said repeatedly in previous posts.

Dogzey

mairwen85 wrote: »

Dogzey wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Awful job at conveying sarcasm in the first comment. /s may have helped.

I think you're directing that frustration at the wrong target. When people start griping at those in agreement with them, there's some deep rooted issues at play.

The whole off-cycle PTS (as well every PTS cycle)is a farce, as I have said repeatedly in previous posts.

Relaaaaaaxxxxx all I am saying is if 2 people didn't pick up on sarcasm it obviously doesn't come across as it. No deep routed issues or frustration.

I agree as you can see.

blkjag

Rip

Vaoh

The new trial sets are both boring and BiS I dislike everything about their design.

Should instead be unique and fun to use+strong. Like Elfbane.

John_Falstaff

I mean, awesome. On DD side, as a magblade whose only group utility is (or soon used to be) Master Architect, I'm so-o looking forward to have this last bit taken away. Thank you, ZOS. Thank you.

And yes, pretty much was obvious that players' opinion does not matter. Q.E.D.

Sanguinor2

Well thats surprising (not) whoever couldve predicted that result.

ketsparrowhawk

Where are you guys finding info about new trial sets?

mairwen85

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Where are you guys finding info about new trial sets?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518737/greymoor-chapter-sneak-peek-were-going-back-to-skyrim-trial-wampire-antiquities-mythics-etc

ketsparrowhawk

mairwen85 wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Where are you guys finding info about new trial sets?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518737/greymoor-chapter-sneak-peek-were-going-back-to-skyrim-trial-wampire-antiquities-mythics-etc

Awesome thanks!

karekiz

mairwen85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Of course your feedbacks means a lot

1. You overnerf ability/skill/whatever by an insane amount.
2. You decrease said nerf by a nice 25%. I mean 25%!
3. Peeps feel they won!

katorga

Man, why does stamina always get the best sets?

On the diversity side, why is there the same BiS sets for every class instead of having unique BiS options for each class.

Kolzki

katorga wrote: »

Man, why does stamina always get the best sets?

On the diversity side, why is there the same BiS sets for every class instead of having unique BiS options for each class.

Maybe not this time. That new stam set looks like stamina’s answer to moon dancer.

mairwen85

karekiz wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Jesus Christ, guys! Can't we just LOL at sarcasm anymore?

Answer is, these changes were planned several months back, an entire chapter's worth of gear is perfectly tuned to them -- so no, our feedback means nothing. As per usual, and there's nothing we can do about it but take the *** out of the apm argument and any other BS that ZOS want to sling at this.

Of course your feedbacks means a lot

1. You overnerf ability/skill/whatever by an insane amount.
2. You decrease said nerf by a nice 25%. I mean 25%!
3. Peeps feel they won!

funny because it's true.

jaws343

John_Falstaff wrote: »

I mean, awesome. On DD side, as a magblade whose only group utility is (or soon used to be) Master Architect, I'm so-o looking forward to have this last bit taken away. Thank you, ZOS. Thank you.

And yes, pretty much was obvious that players' opinion does not matter. Q.E.D.

You are still going to potentially need MA in a group to rotate in when off balance and the set is on cooldown.

WrathOfInnos

colossalvoids wrote: »

And yet again major slayer sets like master architect and war machine made useless with 12 man slayer set, can we sometimes get anything unique or interesting and not butcher older ones yet again?

^ this. Depending on buff duration, this will either be a useless set, or completely replace Master Architect and Lokkestiiz (I can’t even say War Machine because that set has been dead since Elsweyr). How about a different buff?

Also let’s not force the heavy attacking off-balance enemies. Yes we all know this has been a mechanic for years, no we still don’t want to stop our DPS rotations and heavy attack 2-3 times every 22s.

It’s also problematic that the trial set for mag DPS is a buff set that can only be used by one player. It will likely end up a healer meta set, and mag DPS won’t get a new trial set (flashbacks to IA, and Scalebreaker dungeon sets).

Tanis-Stormbinder

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

And yet again major slayer sets like master architect and war machine made useless with 12 man slayer set, can we sometimes get anything unique or interesting and not butcher older ones yet again?

^ this. Depending on buff duration, this will either be a useless set, or completely replace Master Architect and Lokkestiiz (I can’t even say War Machine because that set has been dead since Elsweyr). How about a different buff?

Also let’s not force the heavy attacking off-balance enemies. Yes we all know this has been a mechanic for years, no we still don’t want to stop our DPS rotations and heavy attack 2-3 times every 22s.

It’s also problematic that the trial set for mag DPS is a buff set that can only be used by one player. It will likely end up a healer meta set, and mag DPS won’t get a new trial set (flashbacks to IA, and Scalebreaker dungeon sets).

Agreed, looks like more of a healer set than dps

tmbrinks

Tanis-Stormbinder wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

And yet again major slayer sets like master architect and war machine made useless with 12 man slayer set, can we sometimes get anything unique or interesting and not butcher older ones yet again?

^ this. Depending on buff duration, this will either be a useless set, or completely replace Master Architect and Lokkestiiz (I can’t even say War Machine because that set has been dead since Elsweyr). How about a different buff?

Also let’s not force the heavy attacking off-balance enemies. Yes we all know this has been a mechanic for years, no we still don’t want to stop our DPS rotations and heavy attack 2-3 times every 22s.

It’s also problematic that the trial set for mag DPS is a buff set that can only be used by one player. It will likely end up a healer meta set, and mag DPS won’t get a new trial set (flashbacks to IA, and Scalebreaker dungeon sets).

Agreed, looks like more of a healer set than dps

If the changes go through as they currently stand, there will be no need for Worm and/or Hircine (maybe even Hollowfang) on healers, so we at least will have the gear space to run it.

Piouspoppy41355

Honestly 90% of me knew that pts cycle was confirmed, this just confirms and keeps with my decision to leave eso. ZOS will lie to our faces and give us false hope just to crush it as they have no care for anyone who actually does content. Only the people who complain about content being difficult. It wouldn't be so bad if ZOS just said hey we cater to the RP and Story aspect, don't dance around and act like you care about end game PvE or PvP at all.

DustyWarehouse

I'll wait for the first Greymoor PTS before I make any judgements, but right now it feels like we've been straight up lied to. Again.

John_Falstaff

jaws343 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

I mean, awesome. On DD side, as a magblade whose only group utility is (or soon used to be) Master Architect, I'm so-o looking forward to have this last bit taken away. Thank you, ZOS. Thank you.

And yes, pretty much was obvious that players' opinion does not matter. Q.E.D.

You are still going to potentially need MA in a group to rotate in when off balance and the set is on cooldown.

Only if the new set will be like Nahviintaas, with tiny uptime. But if it has separate cooldowns on multiple targets, it won't be an issue to keep nearly 100% uptime on it, so MA/WM, and even Lokke will just grow obsolete.