Shame on you ZoS, you are taking peoples money and continue to provide an inferior product

BackStabeth

How is it that EVE Online can provide a massive game that involves battles with thousands of players all at the same time, and ZoS cannot even provide any space at all where 100 people can play without major game breaking issues?

I suspect the funds that should go into infrastructure are going to CEOs instead. ZoS squeezes every penny they are able from each player, unreasonable prices on everything, no conversion for gold to crowns or vice/versa. And they do not return any of that funding into a game that functions even halfway decent.

Amazon is going to kick ZoS butt when their new MMORPG comes out, and considering the big name MMORPGs on the horizon, unless ZoS does something drastically different and use the funds they are squeezing out of players they are going to lose funding for this game. I am not going to stick around while ZoS tries to play catch up with gaming corps that do a lot more, a lot better.

Shame on you ZoS, shame on you for not listening to the player base, shame on you for ignoring your customers the ones that put money in your pocket. Shame on you for hyping game improvements that really amount to a politicians promise never realized. Shame on you for not dumping money into infrastructure that clearly is not up to par.

How can EVE Online, which makes far less revenue than ESO do it so much better with thousands of people playing in major battles, with graphics far more intense and demanding serving from a little Island in the North Atlantic, and ZoS cannot even handle a few hundred at the same time with short drawing graphics and inferior graphics to boot?

How is it everyone is doing all these things far better, way better than ZoS? What the hell is that broken that it cannot be easily fixed by investing some of the money the game generates in infrastructure of the game?

This sucks!

Paidkilla

Eve online is a bunch of spaceships sitting around shooting lasers. This game has hundreds of people in detailed graphical armor all spamming spells with no cooldowns, dont understand how you can compare the two, eve is a flight simulator mmo half those pvp battles people are shooting at dots lol.

Everstorm

Are they taking your money or are you freely giving them your money? Stop spending cash if you're not satisfied with the service they provide.

Dusk_Coven

Not just in MMOs but in pretty much all product lines, there are inferior products for a comparable or higher price. If you don't want to shop around, that's on you.
If you don't feel there's a comparable product, then they have a monopoly on you and you either change what you're doing or pay up.

A_Silverius

Although Eve has a record of 6,142 players in a single pvp event, a better comparison would be Planetside 2 - a free to play and non p2w game released 2 years before ESO and broke the GUINESS WORLD RECORD: 1158 Players on 1 Map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPXZlM3H3A

luen79rwb17_ESO

A_Silverius wrote: »

Although Eve has a record of 6,142 players in a single pvp event, a better comparison would be Planetside 2 - a free to play and non p2w game released 2 years before ESO and broke the GUINESS WORLD RECORD: 1158 Players on 1 Map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPXZlM3H3A

Dang! So many people on 1 Map! That game certainly needs more maps LOL

TelvanniWizard

Totally agree with op. Sadly, nothing will change.

A_Silverius

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

A_Silverius wrote: »

Although Eve has a record of 6,142 players in a single pvp event, a better comparison would be Planetside 2 - a free to play and non p2w game released 2 years before ESO and broke the GUINESS WORLD RECORD: 1158 Players on 1 Map.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPXZlM3H3A

Dang! So many people on 1 Map! That game certainly needs more maps LOL

According to https://planetside.fandom.com/wiki/The_World there's 4 maps. They look like Cyrodiil sized maps maybe even bigger.

idk

Yes, there are issues with this game, but if OP is paying to play this game and considers it inferior then shame on them for continuing to support a game they consider so inferior.

Also, Eve Online is a good game but it is a much simpler game as far as server and client load goes. Then to suggest Amazon will kick this game's butt with a product they have yet to come out with is humorous. Not sure if you are talking Amazon's PvPvE New World game that is a very different type of game that most here will not enjoy (I have spent extensive time in both Alpha and Beta). Maybe you are talking about their go at a Lord of the Rings MMORPG that we know so little about and will be years away from release if it ever actually gets released. Most MMORPGs in development are never released.

Nemesis7884

idk wrote: »

Yes, there are issues with this game, but if OP is paying to play this game and considers it inferior then shame on them for continuing to support a game they consider so inferior.

Also, Eve Online is a good game but it is a much simpler game as far as server and client load goes. Then to suggest Amazon will kick this game's butt with a product they have yet to come out with is humorous. Not sure if you are talking Amazon's PvPvE New World game that is a very different type of game that most here will not enjoy (I have spent extensive time in both Alpha and Beta). Maybe you are talking about their go at a Lord of the Rings MMORPG that we know so little about and will be years away from release if it ever actually gets released. Most MMORPGs in development are never released.

your points are fair - but at the same time - there are just as complex / power intense and more online games with many more players that have a lot fewer issues the level of performance for an online game in this day and age is not acceptable - it wasnt 6 years ago

Cireous

Can confer, I am in the New World alpha right now and it does not even remotely compete with ESO in any regard. It's basically a sand box survival game without the survival part. Only a few NPCs scattered about to teach you the basics and send you out to fetch stuff. No voice acting, no story quests. Just a lot of tree chopping and repetitive killing and pvp everyone apparently hates. It's very, very boring.

I do agree with you that other stuff will eventually come out and do things a lot better. I'm thinking maybe Ashes of Creation will grab a lot of people. I'm hoping ESO gets its performance stuff sorted soon enough. God knows, they are trying. I would also like to see much more innovation than we are currently seeing. It would be great if they took more of a Path of Exile approach and really dug in to what the players truly want to see and experience, and surprise us more by giving us those very things. I think they are really limiting themselves with this Dungeon/Chapter/Dungeon/DLC schedule by just creating more and more content, but not changing the way in which we are engaging with the content so it's more fun and exciting.

Also, housing needs so much more love than its getting, especially considering how much it costs us. This could easily be the best housing of any MMORPG out there at the moment if they would only focus a lot more on the functionality and experience of housing. If you want to start somewhere and really shake things up, start there ZOS (we're impatiently waiting).

idk

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Yes, there are issues with this game, but if OP is paying to play this game and considers it inferior then shame on them for continuing to support a game they consider so inferior.

Also, Eve Online is a good game but it is a much simpler game as far as server and client load goes. Then to suggest Amazon will kick this game's butt with a product they have yet to come out with is humorous. Not sure if you are talking Amazon's PvPvE New World game that is a very different type of game that most here will not enjoy (I have spent extensive time in both Alpha and Beta). Maybe you are talking about their go at a Lord of the Rings MMORPG that we know so little about and will be years away from release if it ever actually gets released. Most MMORPGs in development are never released.

your points are fair - but at the same time - there are just as complex / power intense and more online games with many more players that have a lot fewer issues the level of performance for an online game in this day and age is not acceptable - it wasnt 6 years ago

Not really. The games mentioned in this thread are lower quality games in every manner. This thread is comparing apples to oranges and tossing in some eggs before they hatch.

I am not making excuses for Zos. This issue here is Zos has been poorly managed and as such, they have poorly managed the game itself by adding more and more load on the server. I have long said that Matt Firor is over his head managing this company and game. The state of the game at launch is a great example of that. However, the decline in performance over the past few years is a better example.

In the end, creating a thread like this does not do anything to change that. The onerous is on the OP to stop paying Zos if they truly feel that Zos should be shamed for taking people's money. Think about it, shame on Zos is basically saying shame on me but not wanting to admit it.

JamuThatsWho

No-one is forcing you to pay. If you're unhappy, stop spending.

VoidCommander

Am I the only one who isn’t super bothered by slight performance inconveniences? Like sure the group finder doesn’t work occasionally, but outside of that the game works just fine. Where are these game breaking performance issues people keep talking about.

I do agree that ZOS could afford some more creative thinking. Breaking away from the dungeon, expansion, dungeon zone cycle would be for the best in my opinion. Hell, things like reworking dialog choices for older content to reflect what quests you have already done would be a nice update for the PvE community.

DivineFirstYOLO

VoidCommander wrote: »

Am I the only one who isn’t super bothered by slight performance inconveniences? Like sure the group finder doesn’t work occasionally, but outside of that the game works just fine. Where are these game breaking performance issues people keep talking about.

I do agree that ZOS could afford some more creative thinking. Breaking away from the dungeon, expansion, dungeon zone cycle would be for the best in my opinion. Hell, things like reworking dialog choices for older content to reflect what quests you have already done would be a nice update for the PvE community.

Yeah you are right that you do not lose much performance when you are doing brain dead easy content like questing, RPing, farming nodes, trading, housing, etc. ...but it does matter for PvPers and ppl in vTrials/vDungeons and the performance has actually decreased. Casuals don't see such problems cause they are as the name says too casual to understand. Keep questing and live your happy potato life.

VoidCommander

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

Yeah you are right that you do not lose much performance when you are doing brain dead easy content like questing, RPing, farming nodes, trading, housing, etc. ...but it does matter for PvPers and ppl in vTrials/vDungeons and the performance has actually decreased. Casuals don't see such problems cause they are as the name says too casual to understand. Keep questing and live your happy potato life.

I do my fair share of veteran content just like many players who have been playing since beta. I’m sorry that you would rather delude yourself into believing you can’t play harder content because you have “unplayability” issues. If you are struggling to get your second undaunted key @DivineFirstYolo, the issue is likely that you have something new to learn, and you need to stop blaming lag for dificulties with harder content.

evoniee

inb4 lock

L2Pissue

back in the day PVPers used to complain about the horrible performance, PVErs were defending the game saying its all good and fine and " I love Zenimax" and so on and forth

now both PVPers and PVErs complain about the horrible performance of the game, while roleplayers and questers saying the game is all good and " I love Zenima" and so on and forth

whatever you do in ESO, the train is going to catch you. not because this is how it goes, but because you defended the company that provides you an inferior product, you vote with your money, and you voted to have a horrible game for all it's playerbase.

snoozy

Everstorm wrote: »

Are they taking your money or are you freely giving them your money? Stop spending cash if you're not satisfied with the service they provide.

we are freely giving it and they are taking it. what is your point

snoozy

JamuThatsWho wrote: »

No-one is forcing you to pay. If you're unhappy, stop spending.

yeah and just accept the game you love is going downhill without complaining at all? great solution, white knight

FierceSam

vAA - plays fine
vHRC - plays fine
vSO - plays fine

Vet dungeons - plays fine

Where is this ‘unplayable’ hard content you’re talking about.

The highest ping I’ve had all week was in Senchal where everyone’s doing dailies for new motifs

Aldrik41

BackStabeth wrote: »

How is it that EVE Online can provide a massive game that involves battles with thousands of players all at the same time, and ZoS cannot even provide any space at all where 100 people can play without major game breaking issues?

I suspect the funds that should go into infrastructure are going to CEOs instead. ZoS squeezes every penny they are able from each player, unreasonable prices on everything, no conversion for gold to crowns or vice/versa. And they do not return any of that funding into a game that functions even halfway decent.

Amazon is going to kick ZoS butt when their new MMORPG comes out, and considering the big name MMORPGs on the horizon, unless ZoS does something drastically different and use the funds they are squeezing out of players they are going to lose funding for this game. I am not going to stick around while ZoS tries to play catch up with gaming corps that do a lot more, a lot better.

Shame on you ZoS, shame on you for not listening to the player base, shame on you for ignoring your customers the ones that put money in your pocket. Shame on you for hyping game improvements that really amount to a politicians promise never realized. Shame on you for not dumping money into infrastructure that clearly is not up to par.

How can EVE Online, which makes far less revenue than ESO do it so much better with thousands of people playing in major battles, with graphics far more intense and demanding serving from a little Island in the North Atlantic, and ZoS cannot even handle a few hundred at the same time with short drawing graphics and inferior graphics to boot?

How is it everyone is doing all these things far better, way better than ZoS? What the hell is that broken that it cannot be easily fixed by investing some of the money the game generates in infrastructure of the game?

This sucks!

My opinion is that they hired a forum dancer for money from sales. Like these people with E3 who shouted "Eh, cool,YEAH! WOOOO! THANK YOU! YEEEEEEEEAHHH!"

About Eve Online: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB

I was play in the Black Desert. Miraculously, she works perfectly well on sieges involving guilds and at sea, on world and guild bosses, even on the Bell, with tons of ships players on the screen.
No FPS jumps, crappy ping and disconnects and other joys that were in Eso.

From now on, my wallet is closed to the Bethesda.

Everyone decides whether to eat *** for his money.

BackStabeth

I'm just trying to level up my Alliance skill line, tried to do it just questing but it takes too long and questing in Croydil is horrible being you have to run all over the place.

So I engage in PvP, which I am honestly done with in games because of the toxic behavior inherent in PvP. It's not so bad in ESO, not like other games and PvP is super super easy. However...

When am running in a large group, and the draw distance screws up for some reason I get caught on the edge of what should be grass but it's all blurry, and others get caught on the same tile with me, all of us running and going nowhere then someone runs up and kills us while we are all helplessly stuck in animation.

I use the teleport system to go from keep to keep and many times get stuck on a loading screen, stuck until I either kill the process, or I get bumped by my PC. I have a new PC, I have great internet connection, there is nothing wrong with my ping or frame rate.

Sometimes I"m thinking things are going great, then for no reason at all, out of the blue, the load in screen flashes for a few seconds. This literally can happen at any point, any time. Sometimes I'm in a fight, sometimes I'm not.

So far as PVE is concerned, long queue wait times then when you finally get a dungeon the load in screen sometimes hangs up now.

There is still the issue with Bosses fearing people into terrain

There are certain bosses in certain dungeons where almost every time someone gets disconnected so you end up waiting around for them come back because you know, it's a problem with that dungeon and not that they just bailed.

ZoS does an excellent job marketing, hurry up and buy this before it's gone. And they only allow you to buy some of these special offers with your own crowns, not any that you can trade another player for gold for. So they hold a big twitch stream, they talk about all the wonderful things they are going to fix and wow, another DLC you have to pay for. Well, the problems nor issues were fixed in anything things are far worse now than before the big update. I don't understand, honestly. I come form a WAN admin background, I was responsible for 167 remote locations and all the data going back and forth through a hardware/software encryption pipe. We were dealing with critical information that did not allow for us to ever fail, and we never did in all the years I managed the WAN. When issues were exposed, we fixed them right away.

And we did it on the tightest of budgets

It doesn't seem to me that any of the issues were resolved. It seems things just got much worse and I have to wonder where the money goes, honestly. Where does all the money ZoS generates go if it isn't going into infrastructure or programmers, or hardware, or IS connection? ZoS makes so much off of ESO that I find it very exceedingly difficult to believe they don't have enough money to wipe themselves after a bio break with it, and pay the highest wages to more developers than they will ever need, purchase the highest end, best equipment and the fastest connection and still have enough left over for the upper management to steal.

I'm new to ESO, or relatively so, I started playing just barely before Christmas. I should have waited around, but like a schmuck I paid for the ESO+ version because everyone talked about the craftbag and how the game is almost unplayable without it, and because I wanted access to all the DLCs. A one time thing believe me, I won't be giving ESO any more money, not unless there are some major, drastic improvements.

I have been engaging in PvP since UO was beta, that's over 30 years of PvP. In all that time I have played MMOs where there were issues, many times. The games that listened to the player base and resolved the issues, they stayed in business or at least longer than the ones who didn't. Those that did not listen to the player base went belly up. It's a really simple equation. If you do not take care of the people giving you their money, they will leave, they will abandon the game, they will find somewhere else to spend their entertainment dollar.

Either stop talking about fixing the issues and fix them, or talk about it and watch everyone abandon the game. I for one don't care anymore what Zenimax Representatives say any more, I only care that the game is not playable in a way that it should be and leaves me more frustrated than not. Why would I want to spend money on a game I am not enjoying and only being frustrated with instead, over things that should have been fixed after they were realized the very next update.

Too much time is spent on new content and not enough time on fixing the problems with the content there already is. The real problem is that problems that are years old are not being fixed, and every time new content is added more problems are added at the same time. Take a year or two off from adding massive new content, and fix the issues with the game if you are having that much difficulty doing so and releasing new content at the same time.

Chaos2088

Well this whole crappy performance has tainted the games reputation before (aka launch and pretty much ever since) but the recent patch improvements have made the game worse which is just sad really. Big knock to the game and well there was a poll about who has bought the new chapter....and most people said no....dont blame them tbh. Ive not done so becuase i cant really play the game for more than 20 mins before being kicked off....

FIX THE GAME!

Verbal_Earthworm

Vote with your wallet, leave with your sanity intact.

Unsubscribe. Uninstall, Uncouple.

LadyDestiny

I'm just angry they haven't fixed the eso plus issue. It's been three days now and is keeping me from playing because I have always subbed and have massive amounts of stuff and no place to put it since I am losing half my storage and no craft bag because the plus keeps disappearing even with reset after reset. I do love eso, but am a big lotro fan as well and have played a lot of that game. I am hoping amazon puts out a good product when the new one launches. I am really anxious to play.

Vevvev

A_Silverius wrote: »

According to https://planetside.fandom.com/wiki/The_World there's 4 maps. They look like Cyrodiil sized maps maybe even bigger.

As someone who plays Planetside 2 they are actually slightly bigger due to the fact you're using vehicles to get around, some of which move way faster than the horses in ESO at their fastest speeds. Every single one of these maps can hold well over a thousand people and battles can range from small skirmishes to 100+ vs 100+ vs 100+ battles. Although three faction battles of that magnitude are pure chaos and the sound of the gunfire drowns out the sounds of people's voices.

Kalante

VoidCommander wrote: »

DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »

Yeah you are right that you do not lose much performance when you are doing brain dead easy content like questing, RPing, farming nodes, trading, housing, etc. ...but it does matter for PvPers and ppl in vTrials/vDungeons and the performance has actually decreased. Casuals don't see such problems cause they are as the name says too casual to understand. Keep questing and live your happy potato life.

I do my fair share of veteran content just like many players who have been playing since beta. I’m sorry that you would rather delude yourself into believing you can’t play harder content because you have “unplayability” issues. If you are struggling to get your second undaunted key @DivineFirstYolo, the issue is likely that you have something new to learn, and you need to stop blaming lag for dificulties with harder content.

Why do people like you always feel the need to say they dont have any problems and come to the forums to tell others who do have problems that they are just bad at the game. Yeah dude everyone all of the sudden became just bad after the update. I am so sorry my skills take 5 seconds to cast in pvp. I guess Im just bad at the game and blaming the lag like you say, or maybe gee idk... the game doesnt ****g works?

Coppes

Let’s just ignore that Planetside 2 uses an engine that was designed to support large PvP battles.

And on top of that is designed as a open-world PvP game.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

I'm certainly not happy with the state of ESO right now, but new world looks like trash lol. Devs seem to flip flop on everything and above all....amazon....evil incarnate.

Kittytravel

@Spaceroamer Why stop there? Let's just ignore that any game ever was built on difference engines for different purposes and that building on top of rusty engines will only load its performance down more.

Let's just compare ESO to the original Assassins Creed with it's wonderfully fluid combat system and great visual details. Yeah ESO be more like that! If they can do it you can too!