No Khajit Slaves in Vvardenfell? Did I miss something?

Almakor

One of my hobbies is talking to all kinds of NPCs, sometimes they give backstory that really enrich the game. In Southern Elsweyr I talked to a Dark Elf named Bildren Saren and he mentions that the "Khajit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell." It's been a while since I played that zone but I remember there being Khajit slaves. I was wonder whether I missed a quest or story-line where that happens.

Lady_Sleepless

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

Hapexamendios

There are Khajit slaves in Vvardenfell.

Zashanti for one

Thevampirenight

Well the Dunmer still practice it and its shown in Eso, though given the times. I don't think Zos wants portray it as if its a good thing there could even be possible legal stuff we don't know about that prevents them from fully showing off that element. It could be also do to the focus on actual slave selling and slavery rp going on in the Morrowind rp and maybe Zos maybe wants to limit that by saying it was done away with. However its possible the Dunmer that said that was not telling the truth. or it could be that he was telling the truth and Slavery could have been abolished at some point inbetween the dlcs and chapters. However I doubt House Dres or Telvanai supported such a ban if it did happen. I doubt doubt they fully give it up even if its illegal. At some point after the Packs collapse when it does happen. Slavery will be back in full swing at some point even if it was banned it will be back.

That is the reality when it comes to Morrowind and the lore. So it might be gone at some periods of time but it comes back. I think the reckoning for the Dunmer when it comes to these practices comes after the falling of the Meteor on Vivec city and the disaster that hit Vvardenfell and Morrowind. When the Argonians invaded in the after math destroying much of House Dres they got pushed back but destroyed a lot of the worst offenders.

House Telvanai also got hit but there was at least one Telvanni that survived and had a tower. So the house wasn't fully wiped out. So until the time of the late 3rd early Forth Era Slavery has been that economic thing that helps produce food in areas of Morrowind. Its cheaper and allows them to produce in mass qualities. But at the end it really isn't worth it and I think that the Dunmer are worse off for continuing to practice it, Other areas are able to do without it so I think that is something that does bite the Dunmer on the back literally.

Given their lore has Slavery as being a big thing in their soceity and economic standing. Zenimax can't say it was gone for good. Maybe just banned for a time.

dazee

Maybe cat allergies?

Nomadic_Atmoran

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

House Dres still maintains slaves according to the Deputy Governor of Vvardenfell.

Lady_Sleepless

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

House Dres still maintains slaves according to the Deputy Governor of Vvardenfell.

True, I was mostly talking about the Telvanni because Bildren mentions them. Also most Dres strongholds are on mainland Morrowind, not Vvardenfell. Aren't the ones in Deshaan illegal? I imagine the ones near Necrom are allowed, I'm not sure if Necrom and the Dres around there are Pact territory or not.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

House Dres still maintains slaves according to the Deputy Governor of Vvardenfell.

True, I was mostly talking about the Telvanni because Bildren mentions them. Also most Dres strongholds are on mainland Morrowind, not Vvardenfell. Aren't the ones in Deshaan illegal? I imagine the ones near Necrom are allowed, I'm not sure if Necrom and the Dres around there are Pact territory or not.

I'm not sure the farm in Deshaan is actually made up of slaves or former slaves. The Sathram Plantation in Stonefalls is just down the road from Kragenmoor which is a Dres stronghold so my guess is that as long as its not Nord or Argonian they are free to enslave all they want. We even encounter a runaway Breton slave in Shadowfen.

I'm not entirely sure what ZOS position is on the slave trade though as there is information out there that completely contradicts what we know. The Deputy Governor is staunchly against Slavers but most of the slaves that I can recall on the island were Khajiit. And Khajiit seem to be free game for Dunmer Slavers in other instances. It just seems like maybe some of the writing team is not all on the same page as far as what is and isnt happening within the EP goes.

Nerouyn

Thevampirenight wrote: »

there could even be possible legal stuff we don't know about that prevents them from fully showing off that element.

No.

Any TES fan will remember that slavery featured prominently in Morrowind single-player. And the game even gave you the freedom to own them, if you're that way inclined.

Or the option to free a great many slaves, including if I think the ones you inherit as a Telvanni.

Skyrim too. Vampire cattle are not just slaves, but food.

Jaraal

I wish I had a dollar for every time I enter Balmora and hear:

"House Telvanni still keeps slaves?"

"How else do those lazy mages accomplish anything?"


And the Retheran clan has a Khajiiti "servant" named Dehnarra.

Thokri

PC culture and snowflakes would be offended if ESO was lore friendly.

Toanis

There are Khajiit slaves in Kragenmoor, and it's implied also in the other regions under House Dres rule, which we can't visit ingame. Even when Argonians as members of the Pact are a no-go, House Dres relies on slave labor to fulfill their role as main food provider for Morrowind, so the simple solution is having the Khaiit work even harder.

Since Vivec despises slavery personally, he ended it for all races in Vvardenfell, or at least those parts where he's recognized and honored as a god. House Telvanni does not recognize the Tribunal as anything more than powerful individuals, and they did not join the Ebonheart Pact.

Thevampirenight

Nerouyn wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

there could even be possible legal stuff we don't know about that prevents them from fully showing off that element.

No.

Any TES fan will remember that slavery featured prominently in Morrowind single-player. And the game even gave you the freedom to own them, if you're that way inclined.

Or the option to free a great many slaves, including if I think the ones you inherit as a Telvanni.

Skyrim too. Vampire cattle are not just slaves, but food.

Those are single player games and I imagine it could be a touchy subject in some of them.
I don't think it would be illegal to show it but it could effect the games rating possibly. Who knows that was just one guess I had.

Toanis wrote: »

There are Khajiit slaves in Kragenmoor, and it's implied also in the other regions under House Dres rule, which we can't visit ingame. Even when Argonians as members of the Pact are a no-go, House Dres relies on slave labor to fulfill their role as main food provider for Morrowind, so the simple solution is having the Khaiit work even harder.

Since Vivec despises slavery personally, he ended it for all races in Vvardenfell, or at least those parts where he's recognized and honored as a god. House Telvanni does not recognize the Tribunal as anything more than powerful individuals, and they did not join the Ebonheart Pact.

Is there any source for Vivec being personally against it?

dsalter

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

slavery of the "beast races" doesn't kick off again for a long time, in current lore its to risky to hold large amounts of slaves due to war spies, possible breakout attempts and overall bad image since the pact rely on the argonians and nords, both of which find slavery bad.

when the war ends and Vvardenfell starts isolating itself again, thats when slavery starts again for round 2

edit: doesnt mean there are NO slaves tho, it still happens but pretty much private rich folks or secret slaves.

snoozy

lizards make for the best slaves

RaddlemanNumber7

Almakor wrote: »

One of my hobbies is talking to all kinds of NPCs, sometimes they give backstory that really enrich the game. In Southern Elsweyr I talked to a Dark Elf named Bildren Saren and he mentions that the "Khajit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell." It's been a while since I played that zone but I remember there being Khajit slaves. I was wonder whether I missed a quest or story-line where that happens.

There are loads of Khajiit slaves in Vvardenfell. There is no quest that frees all the Khajiit slaves, quite the reverse. We see escaping Khajiit slaves being killed or re-captured during Vvardenfell quests.

Bildren Saren is obviously lying to save his own skin.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

hard to find khajiit slaves...when they steal and sell themselves... this one wouldn't know! ;3

Varana

Also, a society like Tamriel's doesn't work like a modern nation. The Dunmer Great Houses are quite autonomous entities, so if a certain region is under the rule of a local Telvanni or Dres noble, then entirely different rules may apply than on the next plantation a hundred metres down the road.
And then there's information flow. Tamriel doesn't have internet, yet, so Bildren Saren may be misinformed himself, or the Khajiit of Senchal have very little way of knowing what's actually happening, or he may generalise the situation a bit, or whatever.

ghastley

There's a war on. Do you want your slaves potentially passing information to the enemy? Get rid of any slaves from the other Alliances, as soon as you can. Argonian and Nord servants are OK.

max_only

There are Khajiit slaves. There are slave quarters (buildings named Slave Quarters) in Kragenmore, in Stonefalls.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

ghastley wrote: »

There's a war on. Do you want your slaves potentially passing information to the enemy? Get rid of any slaves from the other Alliances, as soon as you can. Argonian and Nord servants are OK.

there is only 1 house that joined the 3 banners alliance/war and since when are races literally bound to be of that said alliance? we have an entire argonian village that joined the dominion in grahtwood cuz they got tailstabbed by the pact...so get ur facts straight.

ghastley

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

ghastley wrote: »

There's a war on. Do you want your slaves potentially passing information to the enemy? Get rid of any slaves from the other Alliances, as soon as you can. Argonian and Nord servants are OK.

there is only 1 house that joined the 3 banners alliance/war and since when are races literally bound to be of that said alliance? we have an entire argonian village that joined the dominion in grahtwood cuz they got tailstabbed by the pact...so get ur facts straight.

What have facts got to do with this? This is propaganda!

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

ghastley wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

ghastley wrote: »

There's a war on. Do you want your slaves potentially passing information to the enemy? Get rid of any slaves from the other Alliances, as soon as you can. Argonian and Nord servants are OK.

there is only 1 house that joined the 3 banners alliance/war and since when are races literally bound to be of that said alliance? we have an entire argonian village that joined the dominion in grahtwood cuz they got tailstabbed by the pact...so get ur facts straight.

What have facts got to do with this? This is propaganda!

this one believes every1 is equal! under khajiit rule everyone has the same amount of freedom to do what they are told! >:3

Almakor

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

There are no slaves in pact areas, including areas of Vvardenfell. There are slaves in Telvanni lands (as they aren't in the Ebonheart Pact) so there are slaves on the Telvanni coastline.
You can ask Bildren:
"Do the Senchal Khajiit welcome you, being a Dark Elf and all?"
and he says:
"Khajiit are no longer slaves in Vvardenfell so they have no reason to be hostile or afraid.
Of course, the past slavery situation understandably makes things a bit tense. Thankfully I am not House Telvanni."

He says he isn't a Telvanni and technically in non-Telvanni areas of Vvardenfell there are no slaves... so he is right, but I agree, it is very weirdly worded.

House Dres still maintains slaves according to the Deputy Governor of Vvardenfell.

True, I was mostly talking about the Telvanni because Bildren mentions them. Also most Dres strongholds are on mainland Morrowind, not Vvardenfell. Aren't the ones in Deshaan illegal? I imagine the ones near Necrom are allowed, I'm not sure if Necrom and the Dres around there are Pact territory or not.

I'm not sure the farm in Deshaan is actually made up of slaves or former slaves. The Sathram Plantation in Stonefalls is just down the road from Kragenmoor which is a Dres stronghold so my guess is that as long as its not Nord or Argonian they are free to enslave all they want. We even encounter a runaway Breton slave in Shadowfen.

I'm not entirely sure what ZOS position is on the slave trade though as there is information out there that completely contradicts what we know. The Deputy Governor is staunchly against Slavers but most of the slaves that I can recall on the island were Khajiit. And Khajiit seem to be free game for Dunmer Slavers in other instances. It just seems like maybe some of the writing team is not all on the same page as far as what is and isnt happening within the EP goes.

Is the Breton you mention a quest giver? I think I might have missed that. Can you please tell me where to find him?

Klad

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