Battleground Bow Ganking - Gankalorian build | Haters beware

Dr_Ganknstein

Hello, here is a quick video I made using what I call the Gankalorian set up in BG. Of course this map is probably the best for long range playstyles. This set up is a lot of fun if your into the sneaky hard hitting playstyle. Though this wont hit as hard as NMA + Spriggans, it still gets the job done.
https://youtu.be/kimbqB2sGS0

Rahar

https://youtu.be/b4ZXFsiEzxE

i have no skill with video editing otherwise i would have put your vid in the green screen

brandonv516

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

Dr_Ganknstein

Rahar wrote: »

https://youtu.be/b4ZXFsiEzxE

i have no skill with video editing otherwise i would have put your vid in the green screen

😅🤣

Dr_Ganknstein

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

brandonv516

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Dr_Ganknstein

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

Eatmyface

Disgusting.

Dr_Ganknstein

Eatmyface wrote: »

Disgusting.

😎

dazee

is there a link to a place where I can examine the full build without having to pause videos?

Dr_Ganknstein

dazee wrote: »

is there a link to a place where I can examine the full build without having to pause videos?

It's basically this build but slimecraw was swapped out. I didnt cover CP since it was for a BG. The race can be anything really but Khajit, dark elf, or orc would perform best I think.
https://youtu.be/xYEzqs0EuiQ

Maulkin

I find it incredible that every one in your video just let you snipe in peace throughout the whole game. An educated guess is that's a low MMR BG, something quite common since the reset.

If I get stealth ganked by a sniper in a BG, you can be sure that my to priority for the rest of the game is to chase that fecker down whenever he dares to surface.

Dr_Ganknstein

Maulkin wrote: »

I find it incredible that every one in your video just let you snipe in peace throughout the whole game. An educated guess is that's a low MMR BG, something quite common since the reset.

If I get stealth ganked by a sniper in a BG, you can be sure that my to priority for the rest of the game is to chase that fecker down whenever he dares to surface.

I was on a new character so I'm sure it was low MMR. I felt like Simon Phoenix from Demolition Man, when he beat up all the future people, lol.

Dr_Ganknstein

How can you tell what MMR your match is? What's that even stand for? I usually do well on my other NB bow ganker (some maps more then others) but obviously not this well. The combination of the open map and people being very objective focused worked out for me.

Iskiab

Icky wrote: »

How can you tell what MMR your match is? What's that even stand for? I usually do well on my other NB bow ganker (some maps more then others) but obviously not this well. The combination of the open map and people being very objective focused worked out for me.

You can’t really. You can sort of guess a bit depending on how people play, but that’s it. Nothing’s defined, in general it goes:

Beginner BGs: I don’t move
Lower: What objectives, you mean I’m not supposed to just spam one button?
Middle: You mean I have to worry about defense and self healing? I just want to press damage buttons. What’s positioning and awareness, you mean I’m not supposed to just charge until I’m dead?
High: Have figured out defense and burst combos, recognize more than half the names in all your battlegrounds

If someone goes 20+ kills and no deaths, it’s usually against new players. If you look at the weekly leaderboard and see people half of the players in the BG are in the top 20, my guess is it would be a high MMR game.

These days most of the BGs I’m in will have one player per team who goes 15+ kills and a few deaths per team with all other new players.

Hotdog_23

Nice build and video thanks for sharing. Couple of thoughts.

Flag type game if you are just going for kills it is a lot easier to ignore the objective and secure kills. You are helping your team to score but even though you had 40 kills you were the lowest total points out of your team.

Plus, it’s funny how people are screaming to buff NB’s because they are “weak and underperforming”. I keep saying that people who know how to play the class can be extremely deadly and are far from “weak”.

Dr_Ganknstein

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Nice build and video thanks for sharing. Couple of thoughts.

Flag type game if you are just going for kills it is a lot easier to ignore the objective and secure kills. You are helping your team to score but even though you had 40 kills you were the lowest total points out of your team.

Plus, it’s funny how people are screaming to buff NB’s because they are “weak and underperforming”. I keep saying that people who know how to play the class can be extremely deadly and are far from “weak”.

Killing people will always be my primary objective. 😎

Juhasow

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

Snipe may not be the only thing that causes desyncs but it's the worst offender in that category surpassing everything else by a mile. Whole design of that skill is screaming with possibility of desyncing a lot with cast time longer then global cooldown , extremly high range and its travel time. Adding very high tooltip to it is just cherry on the top because if snipe will be even slightly desynced there is very high chance enemy won't be able to recover from it. I wouldn't be suprised if one third of kills snipers are getting would have some desync involved. And all of that on top of already pretty rubbish design of stealth playstyle in ESO.

raistin87

Icky wrote: »

Hello, here is a quick video I made using what I call the Gankalorian set up in BG. Of course this map is probably the best for long range playstyles. This set up is a lot of fun if your into the sneaky hard hitting playstyle. Though this wont hit as hard as NMA + Spriggans, it still gets the job done.
https://youtu.be/kimbqB2sGS0

Switching Spriggans for Marksman is approved. Damange loss is negligible while the sustain boost provided by marksman is significant.

raistin87

Icky wrote: »

Hello, here is a quick video I made using what I call the Gankalorian set up in BG. Of course this map is probably the best for long range playstyles. This set up is a lot of fun if your into the sneaky hard hitting playstyle. Though this wont hit as hard as NMA + Spriggans, it still gets the job done.
https://youtu.be/kimbqB2sGS0

Why not Slimecraw for monster set?

Dr_Ganknstein

Juhasow wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

Snipe may not be the only thing that causes desyncs but it's the worst offender in that category surpassing everything else by a mile. Whole design of that skill is screaming with possibility of desyncing a lot with cast time longer then global cooldown , extremly high range and its travel time. Adding very high tooltip to it is just cherry on the top because if snipe will be even slightly desynced there is very high chance enemy won't be able to recover from it. I wouldn't be suprised if one third of kills snipers are getting would have some desync involved. And all of that on top of already pretty rubbish design of stealth playstyle in ESO.

Yeah everyone should use melee and run around trees. That's what everyone should do.

raistin87 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Hello, here is a quick video I made using what I call the Gankalorian set up in BG. Of course this map is probably the best for long range playstyles. This set up is a lot of fun if your into the sneaky hard hitting playstyle. Though this wont hit as hard as NMA + Spriggans, it still gets the job done.
https://youtu.be/kimbqB2sGS0

Why not Slimecraw for monster set?

That's what I was using but I wanted a little more stam and magica for this BG. So far I'm liking the results of 1 krag and 1 vel over slimecraw. I used to use slimecraw a lot to.

Moonsorrow

@Icky I love your vids, how you edit them to be entertaining and then also the actual gameplay is entertaining too, quality moving, positioning and pre-emptive thinking and acting fast to all situations. It is called having SKILL. Absolutely loving this stuff.

And yes yes, some might say the Bowblade is "lame & easy" to play, but i see potatos try this same all the time for years, and all they get done is soon reading their own death recap, or try to get a lucky snipe in from behind a zerg. What i mean is, really not see many dangerous NB players anymore (both specs) who can actually play the class.

Everyday i still get these attempts from NBs at Cyro overland and IC, often 2 of them (because 1 is not enough with their skill, even if they have the meta setup for best raw damage) and still they go down fast, or the other one escpes away after the other one dies fast lol. Then can /sitchair over the other and wait if the other will wanna try to wake up their friend..

You though, play it like a true assassin both in solo and small "group" action like bgs. You go for kills - you get kills. You move for next fast like some sort of super-ninja. If i had a guild and if you played at PC/EU i would spam guild invite until you accepted to join - just so i could then as the mighty leader force.. uhh.. i mean kindly ask you to do some duo NB stuff (i`d come with my Magblade) with me for fun and just chillin' and killin'.

5/5 stuff, keep these coming. Bonus points if you do some IC action next time, i wanna see Tel Var ganks! Oh and more DeVito of course.

Lybal

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

OrderoftheDarkness

Lybal wrote: »

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

I am glad to see you here Lybal and take my hat off to you.

Kidgangster101

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

There IS a certain combination of skills that I won't give out here for obvious reasons that drastically increase your chances to desync someone in PVP. It has always existed/been reported numerous times but they seem to never fix it. Just look real closely at your death recap if you desync you will see it if no one else is hitting you and the person is intentionally trying to desync you.

Dr_Ganknstein

Lybal wrote: »

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

Spoken like a true hater. The cp810 guys seemed to drop faster then the other guys. Regardless of what the "mmg" was I'd say 40-0 was a good game...for me 😎

Dr_Ganknstein

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

There IS a certain combination of skills that I won't give out here for obvious reasons that drastically increase your chances to desync someone in PVP. It has always existed/been reported numerous times but they seem to never fix it. Just look real closely at your death recap if you desync you will see it if no one else is hitting you and the person is intentionally trying to desync you.

I'm not going to stop using an ability because it might desync someone. That's like asking someone to stop using onslaught before they slightly nerfed it because it was clearly op. Instead like every 1vX video showcased it lol. Have you ever seen a 1vX video where someone was using snipe? Snipe has been nerfed so much it's only viable on a gank (glass canon) set up. Dont believe me go out there on you full impen set up and shoot someone.

Juhasow

Icky wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Unfortunately I do see the effectiveness in this type of build now that BGs queues are solo.

Especially with the common skill desyncs that Snipe allows players to exploit (intentionally or not).

I dont know how someone intentionally desyncs someone. I'm pretty sure that's an urban legend.

If the combo fits, use it.

Everything has a combo. Combo doesnt mean desync. I'm not denying desyncs I'm saying I do not believe players do it intentionally. I've desynced people before but from my perspective I had no idea. That's just the game and I dont believe snipe is the only thing that can cause it, it's just more noticable because often it's used to catch someone off guard i.e. ganking/assassination.

Snipe may not be the only thing that causes desyncs but it's the worst offender in that category surpassing everything else by a mile. Whole design of that skill is screaming with possibility of desyncing a lot with cast time longer then global cooldown , extremly high range and its travel time. Adding very high tooltip to it is just cherry on the top because if snipe will be even slightly desynced there is very high chance enemy won't be able to recover from it. I wouldn't be suprised if one third of kills snipers are getting would have some desync involved. And all of that on top of already pretty rubbish design of stealth playstyle in ESO.

Yeah everyone should use melee and run around trees. That's what everyone should do.

That is a huge hyperbole You did here but also nonsensical one. There is plenty of range setups in the game yet somehow it's snipe spammers who get the most bad rep. Same goes for stealth playstyle , different types of nightblades are using it yet it's range gankers who are between most complained about in that matter. Coincidence ?

It's obvious You'll try to defend build You like the most and try to deny imbalances there are connected to it due to Your personal bias but that doesn't mean there are no imbalances and everything is fine.

Lybal

Icky wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

Spoken like a true hater. The cp810 guys seemed to drop faster then the other guys. Regardless of what the "mmg" was I'd say 40-0 was a good game...for me 😎

I'm just giving feedback cause I don't consider this to be an interesting video, you seems good with this playstyle and I think you could do much more interesting stuff.

But if people like it and enjoy it, what can I say ? Except just keep doing this.

There's no hate, at most a bit of deception because you could make what I'd consider interesting vids, I think Decimus for example on his bowblade used very great bgs to illustrate his build / gameplay even tho it's different from your playstyle but at least I enjoyed his bow gameplay, he wasn't 40/0, but it was much more entertaining to me.

Dr_Ganknstein

Lybal wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

Spoken like a true hater. The cp810 guys seemed to drop faster then the other guys. Regardless of what the "mmg" was I'd say 40-0 was a good game...for me 😎

I'm just giving feedback cause I don't consider this to be an interesting video, you seems good with this playstyle and I think you could do much more interesting stuff.

But if people like it and enjoy it, what can I say ? Except just keep doing this.

There's no hate, at most a bit of deception because you could make what I'd consider interesting vids, I think Decimus for example on his bowblade used very great bgs to illustrate his build / gameplay even tho it's different from your playstyle but at least I enjoyed his bow gameplay, he wasn't 40/0, but it was much more entertaining to me.

I ❤ snipe. 😎

Lybal

Icky wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

Icky wrote: »

Lybal wrote: »

Everyone in your bgs is a beginner, lot of them are < cp 160 and probably don't even have sets, some probably didn't have vigor on stam builds, rest are still low cp / low pvp rank, they don't anticipate, they don't break free, they don't heal, they don't block, they don't dodge, you could snipe PVE mobs, I'd be entertained as much as watching these poor beginners who just met someone good at pvp with an optimized build.

I'd be much much more impressed if you would fight good players and end up something like 12/4/10 than this, it's just so empty, none is doing anything except you spamming snipe and farming them.

I don't appreciate snipe builds (not because of the build itself, just because snipe is broken, it's not about playing melee and run around trees, it's about having a skill that works as it should, and I feel like some snipers desync very reliably, even tho they probably don't do it on purpose), but I can appreciate good gameplay even from snipe builds, and I can't appreciate this vid.

Spoken like a true hater. The cp810 guys seemed to drop faster then the other guys. Regardless of what the "mmg" was I'd say 40-0 was a good game...for me 😎

I'm just giving feedback cause I don't consider this to be an interesting video, you seems good with this playstyle and I think you could do much more interesting stuff.

But if people like it and enjoy it, what can I say ? Except just keep doing this.

There's no hate, at most a bit of deception because you could make what I'd consider interesting vids, I think Decimus for example on his bowblade used very great bgs to illustrate his build / gameplay even tho it's different from your playstyle but at least I enjoyed his bow gameplay, he wasn't 40/0, but it was much more entertaining to me.

I ❤ snipe. 😎

I understood it before, but thx for reminding it to me.