Fears Vampire Revamp Will Do Away With Current Abilities..

Elusiin

Like accelerating drain is an incredible channel ability, one of the few channel abilities in the game, and a stun alternative to destructive clench... Then mist form, like every magicka player without a dash ability relies on this. I'd really hate to lose access to these abilities with the coming revamp... I'm hoping that the vampire skill line will retain this abilities and have a vampire ultimate; however, the vampire ultimate would have a separate skill tree of abilities only active during your ultimate. Following this, non-werewolf transformation skills and passives could be added to the game. I think this would be the BEST route. Please do not take away the current abilities...

Noxavian

Elusiin wrote: »

Like accelerating drain is an incredible channel ability, one of the few channel abilities in the game, and a stun alternative to destructive clench... Then mist form, like every magicka player without a dash ability relies on this. I'd really hate to lose access to these abilities with the coming revamp... I'm hoping that the vampire skill line will retain this abilities and have a vampire ultimate; however, the vampire ultimate would have a separate skill tree of abilities only active during your ultimate. Following this, non-werewolf transformation skills and passives could be added to the game. I think this would be the BEST route. Please do not take away the current abilities...

The vampire rework is going to COMPLETELY re-work the entire line. We know that they will still have a life drain and mist-based ability, but the current ones will most likely be getting a rework, but keeping the same thematic. For example, mist form will probably become the mist-dash we saw in the trailer.

Which is way better than current mist form as mist form is supposed to be fast and give you the option to avoid dmg/attacks.

So it'll more or less do the same thing, just in a more updated and nice looking way.

Don't let anyone tell you these abilities are staying exactly the same, no official word aside from what I've mentioned has been given. We know the new vamp will have a life drain and mist skill, but considering they're updating every aspect of the skill line, it makes literally 0 sense for these abilities to remain the exact same.

Ratzkifal

When Rich was talking about the rework on the Bethesda_DE's stream he explained that they are "adding three new skills and an ultimate". It's not clear if they are going to make changes to Mistform or Drain at all, possibly functionality changes regarding the stun for example, but the skills will stay.

Iskiab

One thing they talked about was making it so feeding increases your vamp level instead of decreasing it.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not looking forward to that part. I’m lazy and like that I don’t have to micromanage my vamp level and just leave it at 4 without doing anything.

Noxavian

Ratzkifal wrote: »

When Rich was talking about the rework on the Bethesda_DE's stream he explained that they are "adding three new skills and an ultimate". It's not clear if they are going to make changes to Mistform or Drain at all, possibly functionality changes regarding the stun for example, but the skills will stay.

Yes, we will be keeping a "mist" and "life drain" skill. Lets hope they change how they work a good amount. I would personally really like to see a mist-form similar to the one in the trailer, which I don't think they would spend that much showing off the new mist form without adjusting the current mist-form to be similar to it.

Noxavian

Iskiab wrote: »

One thing they talked about was making it so feeding increases your vamp level instead of decreasing it.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not looking forward to that part. I’m lazy and like that I don’t have to micromanage my vamp level and just leave it at 4 without doing anything.

You could always just not become a vampire if having to play as one is too much busy-work.

Ratzkifal

Noxavian wrote: »

Elusiin wrote: »

Like accelerating drain is an incredible channel ability, one of the few channel abilities in the game, and a stun alternative to destructive clench... Then mist form, like every magicka player without a dash ability relies on this. I'd really hate to lose access to these abilities with the coming revamp... I'm hoping that the vampire skill line will retain this abilities and have a vampire ultimate; however, the vampire ultimate would have a separate skill tree of abilities only active during your ultimate. Following this, non-werewolf transformation skills and passives could be added to the game. I think this would be the BEST route. Please do not take away the current abilities...

The vampire rework is going to COMPLETELY re-work the entire line. We know that they will still have a life drain and mist-based ability, but the current ones will most likely be getting a rework, but keeping the same thematic. For example, mist form will probably become the mist-dash we saw in the trailer.

Which is way better than current mist form as mist form is supposed to be fast and give you the option to avoid dmg/attacks.

So it'll more or less do the same thing, just in a more updated and nice looking way.

Don't let anyone tell you these abilities are staying exactly the same, no official word aside from what I've mentioned has been given. We know the new vamp will have a life drain and mist skill, but considering they're updating every aspect of the skill line, it makes literally 0 sense for these abilities to remain the exact same.

You have not mentioned any official word though and the official stuff we got does not say these abilities are getting completely changed. They would have said so if they were planning on it. They might roll some morphs into one and or make a new effect on one of the morphs but if they would change the mechanics of these skills, like turning mistform into a dash rather than a speed and protection buff, then they would have mentioned that.
They would have had a good reason to mention that along with the things they said about the Blood Scion and feeding animations as it is something familiar to us that doesn't spoil the surprise of what else they would have in store.

You still claim all of your hopes for what the revamp is like have been confirmed by someone not saying something. If someone is not saying something, you shouldn't interpret that as something that is definitely going to happen. Even if it doesn't make sense to you. When was the last time ZOS did something that didn't make sense?
You are just setting yourself up for disappointment by looking at the trailer and thinking they are foreshadowing gameplay but we didn't get onehand+spell in Summerset like in the trailer or after either.

Chelo

Elusiin wrote: »

Like accelerating drain is an incredible channel ability, one of the few channel abilities in the game, and a stun alternative to destructive clench... Then mist form, like every magicka player without a dash ability relies on this. I'd really hate to lose access to these abilities with the coming revamp... I'm hoping that the vampire skill line will retain this abilities and have a vampire ultimate; however, the vampire ultimate would have a separate skill tree of abilities only active during your ultimate. Following this, non-werewolf transformation skills and passives could be added to the game. I think this would be the BEST route. Please do not take away the current abilities...

As a Magicka NB, I just want a burst heal, no matter the source. Hopefully vamp skill line have reliable healing source.

Noxavian

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Noxavian wrote: »

Elusiin wrote: »

Like accelerating drain is an incredible channel ability, one of the few channel abilities in the game, and a stun alternative to destructive clench... Then mist form, like every magicka player without a dash ability relies on this. I'd really hate to lose access to these abilities with the coming revamp... I'm hoping that the vampire skill line will retain this abilities and have a vampire ultimate; however, the vampire ultimate would have a separate skill tree of abilities only active during your ultimate. Following this, non-werewolf transformation skills and passives could be added to the game. I think this would be the BEST route. Please do not take away the current abilities...

The vampire rework is going to COMPLETELY re-work the entire line. We know that they will still have a life drain and mist-based ability, but the current ones will most likely be getting a rework, but keeping the same thematic. For example, mist form will probably become the mist-dash we saw in the trailer.

Which is way better than current mist form as mist form is supposed to be fast and give you the option to avoid dmg/attacks.

So it'll more or less do the same thing, just in a more updated and nice looking way.

Don't let anyone tell you these abilities are staying exactly the same, no official word aside from what I've mentioned has been given. We know the new vamp will have a life drain and mist skill, but considering they're updating every aspect of the skill line, it makes literally 0 sense for these abilities to remain the exact same.

You have not mentioned any official word though and the official stuff we got does not say these abilities are getting completely changed. They would have said so if they were planning on it. They might roll some morphs into one and or make a new effect on one of the morphs but if they would change the mechanics of these skills, like turning mistform into a dash rather than a speed and protection buff, then they would have mentioned that.
They would have had a good reason to mention that along with the things they said about the Blood Scion and feeding animations as it is something familiar to us that doesn't spoil the surprise of what else they would have in store.

You still claim all of your hopes for what the revamp is like have been confirmed by someone not saying something. If someone is not saying something, you shouldn't interpret that as something that is definitely going to happen. Even if it doesn't make sense to you. When was the last time ZOS did something that didn't make sense?
You are just setting yourself up for disappointment by looking at the trailer and thinking they are foreshadowing gameplay but we didn't get onehand+spell in Summerset like in the trailer or after either.

Not saying they're going to get completely changed, they're going to still be a life-drain and "mist" skill. There has been no word that they will or will not be changed in such a way as you mentioned. The exact same reasoning you use for why they won't be changed can be said for why they would. IF they were going to remain they same, would they not of mentioned that? :thinking:

And as for "If someone is not saying something, you shouldn't interpret that as something that is definitely going to happen" can literally be turned around and said to you lol. They haven't said they aren't reworking the abilities a bit and they haven't said that they're staying the same, that's the facts.

You know no more than I and I know no more than you. But it makes sense in a complete class rework to at least touch up on the abilities, right? And they had PLENTY of chances to say they're staying the same, too. When they mentioned that a life drain and mist ability will still be part of the kit, they could of easily added on that they wouldn't be making changes to them or that if they are, they would be minimal.

Also they DID officially say that they will have a mist and life drain ability. That is the official word I was referring to. They didn't say to what extent or if they'd be exactly the same.

Sorry to say.

Ardan147

I just hope that whatever changes they make give me reason to scrap it for most of my characters so I don't have to be plagued by the awful appearance.

oxygen_thief

is it time to charge my staff with a glyph of prismatic onslaught?

Ratzkifal

Noxavian wrote: »

Not saying they're going to get completely changed, they're going to still be a life-drain and "mist" skill. There has been no word that they will or will not be changed in such a way as you mentioned. The exact same reasoning you use for why they won't be changed can be said for why they would. IF they were going to remain they same, would they not of mentioned that? :thinking:

And as for "If someone is not saying something, you shouldn't interpret that as something that is definitely going to happen" can literally be turned around and said to you lol. They haven't said they aren't reworking the abilities a bit and they haven't said that they're staying the same, that's the facts.

You know no more than I and I know no more than you. But it makes sense in a complete class rework to at least touch up on the abilities, right? And they had PLENTY of chances to say they're staying the same, too. When they mentioned that a life drain and mist ability will still be part of the kit, they could of easily added on that they wouldn't be making changes to them or that if they are, they would be minimal.

Sorry to say.

You are making it sound like something it isn't. The fact of the matter is, you are making a prediction about what is going to happen and I refrain from making a prediction due to lack of information. Yes, you can turn it around but you can also believe that Rich not mentioning unicorns means we'll definitely get unicorns because he didn't say we won't get them. That's also turned around.

You are correct that neither of us knows more than the other and yet you claim with certainty that Mistform will become a dash "just like in the trailer" and I remain sceptical. It makes sense to "touch up" on them, yes, but turning a speed buff into a dash is more than just "touching up". That's a big change.
It also makes sense why someone wouldn't talk in great detail about how the skills would stay the same because A: small changes don't need as much preparation time in advance like making new animations for new abilities would and B: there is not a lot to talk about when something doesn't change so Rich would naturally focus on the things he can talk a lot about and skip over the minor things.

If you'd ask me to speculate I would say that Mistform gets turned into a batform and a bloodpool form because we've seen vampires do that in the game all the time, but I am not telling people that's how it's gonna be because we have no information on that. Just like you don't have information on Mistform becoming a dash just because it looked like that in the trailer.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Iskiab wrote: »

One thing they talked about was making it so feeding increases your vamp level instead of decreasing it.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not looking forward to that part. I’m lazy and like that I don’t have to micromanage my vamp level and just leave it at 4 without doing anything.

Well don't be a Vampire, Power comes at a price and you don't want to pay that price.

Kittytravel

Iskiab wrote: »

One thing they talked about was making it so feeding increases your vamp level instead of decreasing it.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not looking forward to that part. I’m lazy and like that I don’t have to micromanage my vamp level and just leave it at 4 without doing anything.

Ahh yes... drinking one Double Bloody Mara every 2 hours is just so very micromanage heavy.

On topic: Pretty sure it will get reworked to be brought more in line with Werewolf and less of a free-for-all take-all-my-passives where no one actually gives a crap about the skills. I look forward to it because I've been pretty tired of "Vampire is good because it just hands you free stuff."

Iskiab

Kittytravel wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

One thing they talked about was making it so feeding increases your vamp level instead of decreasing it.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m not looking forward to that part. I’m lazy and like that I don’t have to micromanage my vamp level and just leave it at 4 without doing anything.

Ahh yes... drinking one Double Bloody Mara every 2 hours is just so very micromanage heavy.

On topic: Pretty sure it will get reworked to be brought more in line with Werewolf and less of a free-for-all take-all-my-passives where no one actually gives a crap about the skills. I look forward to it because I've been pretty tired of "Vampire is good because it just hands you free stuff."

Do you have any idea how the changes will work? Some people are just so quick to jump on people with ridiculous comments...

thissocalledflower

sciamachy pleonasia


IF it didnt do away with the current abilities it wouldnt be much of a revamp would it?

Noxavian

thissocalledflower wrote: »

sciamachy pleonasia


IF it didnt do away with the current abilities it wouldnt be much of a revamp would it?

This is the logic I'm using. It's kinda funny that there are some people that think these two abilities will remain the same.

I doubt they'd call it a complete REVAMP of the entire skill line if the current abilities wouldn't be changing at least in the example of: mist form is now a sort-of mist dash, etc.

Magister_Tremere

I came here today to voice my opinion about the Vampire system being revamped... No pun intended. I'm happy to see that ZoS is doing just that. I truly hope that they implement a better system overall and a better feeding mechanic in particular. I just couldn't get over how "lame" it all felt and the only reason to remain one was to take advantage of passive abilities that only benefit you under certain circumstances. It's my feeling that playing as a Vampire should be just that. You are adopting the role of no longer being "human" and thus things about you should be different. Reactions to you under certain circumstances should be different. Just like the Necromancer. Being a vampire shouldn't be an addendum to humanity, it should be a transference of it.

My hope after this is that they do the same to the Werewolf system. I mean, let's be real. If you as a Necromancer can't cast certain spells in towns and/or in the presence of the populace, why should a Werewolf or a Level 4 Vampire be able to meander through? It's the give-and-take of adopting a certain role and I think the game would be all the better for doing this.