So I am reading two other threads i have a question about stealth and no kill play

Lady_Linux

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/514594/how-to-play-eso-without-killing-or-thieving/p4

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/514846/so-for-sneaking-are-these-three-the-best-sets-or-are-there-others-thanks#latest


So my thought is that one could do the psijic questline and use the healing beam for healing and slot as a healer for group play and not do any killing and one could wear stealth gear when out in the world doing pve.

And so with that though it seems that slotting a healing staff for the passives at least would be useful as well as some of the healing skills, even if one doesnt attack with it BUT then the problem arises as to how to activate the healing staff skill line WITHOUT actually killing something. Well the simple answer is to find a book that boosts the healing staff kill line and read. SO where do i go to find one? Does anyone know of a location for such a one as that or all they all random finds?

Then the second problem after that is solved is to figure out how to start the psijic skill line for the healing beam without killing anything. Is it even possible? Do i have to do the Queens Decree Questline or is there another way around that so i can advance the psijic line by going around and sealing everything up all nice and sweet like?

Someone knows?

For gear i started with seducer and night's silence for the magicka pool, cost reduction, and the stealth as that seems to make the most sense for leveling up a new character. And since i am cp 600 i pumped a lot of cp into stealth cost reduction, and magicka recovery, and shields (reviving barrier eventually somehow)

VaranisArano

Unfortunately, with a bit of research it looks like there aren't restoration skill books as they appear to have been erroneously set to destruction staff instead.

This source lists one possible restoration book, but I don't know if its correct: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Restoration_Staff


And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

Lady_Linux

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unfortunately, with a bit of research it looks like there aren't restoration skill books as they appear to have been erroneously set to destruction staff instead.

This source lists one possible restoration book, but I don't know if its correct: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Restoration_Staff


And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

That's a shame really.... at least in summerset the start point you were trapped in you a dream state and fighting imaginary beings in your mind to get out... a bit of sciamachy so to speak.

Kendaric

VaranisArano wrote: »

And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

Do you need it to actually unlock the Psijic Order questline or just to get to Arteum?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Maybe Al'akir dolmens if you just activate the pinions and nothing else?

VaranisArano

Kendaric wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

Do you need it to actually unlock the Psijic Order questline or just to get to Arteum?

You have to do the Queen's Decree in order for the NPC offering the Psijic Order start to show up. You can't just port to Artaeum.

Lady_Linux

it seems that missive sits on the front desk but it doesnt grant the restoration staff skill line

"A complaint to the thalmor offered nothing"

Lady_Linux

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unfortunately, with a bit of research it looks like there aren't restoration skill books as they appear to have been erroneously set to destruction staff instead.

This source lists one possible restoration book, but I don't know if its correct: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Restoration_Staff


And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

Well it does say there is only one and that they appear at random but THAT one isn't the one mentioned in that section of the wiki

Lady_Linux

SOLUTION to the psijic problem! I finished the psijic skills on another one some time ago so i can just buy it with crowns! And what a deal! It will only cost me $24.99 + tax USD

Michae

I'm kinda perplexed about this no kill deal. I really don't mean to be rude or anything, just to be clear. It can be fun as a thought experiment and trying to find a new way to play the game after 5 years but doing that because of some feeling of moral obligation seems strange. This is a fantasy video game. If you really want a wholesome game without doing any bad things it's kinda the wrong address. There are plenty games providing that niche, I don't know, the Sims comes to mind, or if you want that online component, there's Second Life for example. It's just a tad strange. So yeah, as a fun activity a no kill run or just some casual rp can be interesting, but as a principle of playing this game and wanting to complete the scenarios in it without doing bad things as a character I think it's just barking at the wrong tree. What are your thoughts on that, OP?

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Kendaric

VaranisArano wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

And unfortunately, you must do the Queen's Decree in order to unlock the Psijic Order. You could probably group with someone else and let them do all the killing.

Do you need it to actually unlock the Psijic Order questline or just to get to Arteum?

You have to do the Queen's Decree in order for the NPC offering the Psijic Order start to show up. You can't just port to Artaeum.

Good to know, thanks.

Damn, seems like I'll have to do the "Queen's Decree" then. I hoped to avoid that, as I have no intention to do the rest of Summerset's story on that particular character.

Lady_Linux

Michae wrote: »

I'm kinda perplexed about this no kill deal. I really don't mean to be rude or anything, just to be clear. It can be fun as a thought experiment and trying to find a new way to play the game after 5 years but doing that because of some feeling of moral obligation seems strange. This is a fantasy video game. If you really want a wholesome game without doing any bad things it's kinda the wrong address. There are plenty games providing that niche, I don't know, the Sims comes to mind, or if you want that online component, there's Second Life for example. It's just a tad strange. So yeah, as a fun activity a no kill run or just some casual rp can be interesting, but as a principle of playing this game and wanting to complete the scenarios in it without doing bad things as a character I think it's just barking at the wrong tree. What are your thoughts on that, OP?

Just because someone has an idea to do something different and is trying to figure out how that may be done and asks for help doesnt give anyone the right to tell them to leave or to go play something else. If you dont like this thread there are others you can go read. Why are you here poo pooing someone who choose to try to think outside the box?

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Magenpie

Michae wrote: »

I'm kinda perplexed about this no kill deal. I really don't mean to be rude or anything, just to be clear. It can be fun as a thought experiment and trying to find a new way to play the game after 5 years but doing that because of some feeling of moral obligation seems strange. This is a fantasy video game. If you really want a wholesome game without doing any bad things it's kinda the wrong address. There are plenty games providing that niche, I don't know, the Sims comes to mind, or if you want that online component, there's Second Life for example. It's just a tad strange. So yeah, as a fun activity a no kill run or just some casual rp can be interesting, but as a principle of playing this game and wanting to complete the scenarios in it without doing bad things as a character I think it's just barking at the wrong tree. What are your thoughts on that, OP?

People are merely enjoying the puzzle of finding the best ways to avoid combat during their travels about the world. That could be for any number of reasons - rp, simply the fun of working things out or because they are a hardcore pacifist in rl and they don't want to. But actually none of those things matter, all they've done is ask the forum how they would go about such a plan.

No where in the rules of the game does it say 'you must kill things in order to play this game or you are doing it wrong.'

There are plenty of games out there where players have taken the original concepts and have used them to turn the game into something else. This isn't even one of those games - it offers a variety of things to do that don't involve killing, and the clue 'rpg' means players are encouraged to take their characters and play them how they like. If someone wants to park their toon in Daggerfall and make bread for 5 rl years, it's their prerogative. Just because it's something YOU don't want to do, doesn't make it an illegitimate way to play the game.

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doomette

Uh oh, you done angered the loons.
And by that I mean their avatars. Sorry, couldn’t resist. They do make excellent points though, loons or not.
I think it’s quite an interesting experiment and I wish those who try success.

Magenpie

doomette wrote: »

Uh oh, you done angered the loons.
And by that I mean their avatars. Sorry, couldn’t resist. They do make excellent points though, loons or not.
I think it’s quite an interesting experiment and I wish those who try success.

I think they're miscategorized - they look more like the Auk family than the Diver family, to me. Nobody listens *sniffles*

(hee hee)

doomette

Now you're just showing off

Nerouyn

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SOLUTION to the psijic problem! I finished the psijic skills on another one some time ago so i can just buy it with crowns! And what a deal! It will only cost me $24.99 + tax USD

Most players would consider that a royal ripoff.

You could buy an entire single player game for that amount.

Finishing the psijic line on an entirely new character doesn't take very long and also isn't necessary for what you want to do.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Repeatable_Quests#Crafting_Writs

That's the fastest and most reliable no-kill-no-stealth way to go.

It's boring and slow but will definitely get you there. Also leveling any skills and their associated skill lines for abilities you have equipped.

One you have maxed crafting on at least one character and are getting master writs, that helps. Those give a lot of xp.

There are other repeatable quests like the scouting ones in Cyrodiil which don't require any killing, but the rewards are extremely poor for the amount of time they take.

Similarly opening chests by doing the tumbler mini game awards xp but those aren't everywhere and you also have to compete with other players for them.

Magenpie

Nerouyn wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SOLUTION to the psijic problem! I finished the psijic skills on another one some time ago so i can just buy it with crowns! And what a deal! It will only cost me $24.99 + tax USD

Most players would consider that a royal ripoff.

You could buy an entire single player game for that amount.

I could be completely wrong but I think there may be an element of sarcasm in @Lady_Linux statement.

Nerouyn

Magenpie wrote: »

I could be completely wrong but I think there may be an element of sarcasm in @Lady_Linux statement.

Maybe, but I don't know.

"Take my money" comments like that - completely lacking any hint of irony - are not uncommon in these forums.

Magenpie

@Lady_Linux and @thissocalledflower - I'm also making Essence of Invisibility Potions but with three ingredients, using Namira's Rot, Scrib Jelly and Nirnroot. Not only does it let you vanish, it grants you Major Expedition, so you get a burst of speed to sprint away as well. You can also use Blue Entoloma and Powdered Mother of Pearl.

Edit: Sorry I sort of put this in the wrong place.

Lady_Linux

Nerouyn wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

SOLUTION to the psijic problem! I finished the psijic skills on another one some time ago so i can just buy it with crowns! And what a deal! It will only cost me $24.99 + tax USD

Most players would consider that a royal ripoff.

You could buy an entire single player game for that amount.

Finishing the psijic line on an entirely new character doesn't take very long and also isn't necessary for what you want to do.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Repeatable_Quests#Crafting_Writs

That's the fastest and most reliable no-kill-no-stealth way to go.

It's boring and slow but will definitely get you there. Also leveling any skills and their associated skill lines for abilities you have equipped.

One you have maxed crafting on at least one character and are getting master writs, that helps. Those give a lot of xp.

There are other repeatable quests like the scouting ones in Cyrodiil which don't require any killing, but the rewards are extremely poor for the amount of time they take.

Similarly opening chests by doing the tumbler mini game awards xp but those aren't everywhere and you also have to compete with other players for them.

Well it's true the psijic skill line isnt strictly necessary but it would replace light and heavy attacks with a healing skill that does no harm and the healing passives from the restoration staff i think would still apply. Thinking along the lines of Hacksaw Ridge and Desmond Doss. If Desmond Doss woke up in Nirn, what would he do... That's kinda my thought on it. Well i mean i do sub to eso+ so i could just save two months of crowns as i get 1650 every 30 days? And i am renewing tomorrow so i could just wait 30 days for the next renewal and buy that skill line then. Also yes there was a tinge of sarcasm in paying 24.99 plus tax. Had i not just used my crowns from this month during the murkmire event to buy warden class to make a breton magicka tank that i leveled up to 50 while questing there (murkmire hero soon after htting 50 btw) i could do it tomorrow when my eso+ renews (kicks self). It just would have been nice to make this toon my master gatherer and do survey maps, mages guild and psijic skill line all at the same time while running around stealthily. There are 2-3 skills in the psijic line which would be useful and fit well with my concept.

Lady_Linux

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Maybe Al'akir dolmens if you just activate the pinions and nothing else?

Thanks for the idea. So many great ideas here from so many people. Thank you!

VaranisArano

I know this was brought up on the other threads, but if you have to kill something for the resto staff line, the best option might be a Daedra. Since they don't actually die - they just get returned to the creatia and eventually reform themselves.

That kinda depends on how strict you want to be with a pacifist run, though.

Lady_Linux

VaranisArano wrote: »

I know this was brought up on the other threads, but if you have to kill something for the resto staff line, the best option might be a Daedra. Since they don't actually die - they just get returned to the creatia and eventually reform themselves.

That kinda depends on how strict you want to be with a pacifist run, though.

Any idea what the new starting point for greymoor will be like?

rpa

Lady_Linux wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I know this was brought up on the other threads, but if you have to kill something for the resto staff line, the best option might be a Daedra. Since they don't actually die - they just get returned to the creatia and eventually reform themselves.

That kinda depends on how strict you want to be with a pacifist run, though.

Any idea what the new starting point for greymoor will be like?

I'd bet one has to kill things to pass tutorial. Undead at least. Other than that no.

Gaems with extensive fighting system and weapon/armor itemization are generally not designed with pacifist option in mind.
Which is a shame, because I'd like to play merciless mass murder robber by choice, not because there is no other option.

Coatmagic

I for one had a lot of fun doing this. Even got to 30 something by grouping/healing and was ever so annoyed when I finally went to cyro for the skill points and discovered I had accidently killed prisoners that were in the target dummies. Not cool ZoS! Not started another down that path (yet) but the resto staff situation could prove problematic Will have to be sure to roll a char that has class heals I guess.

To the OP, nope, no moral reasons, just new things to try after being in game since start, LOL.
Back when unlocking the silver/golden gates was still a thing, I used my NB char to see how low of a level I could make it to gold, by sneaking instead of killing. Not the only one that did that either. Sadly, due to quest level locks, it was not possible to get to gold without rolling over vet1. We tried tho! LOL

Michae

Lady_Linux wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

I'm kinda perplexed about this no kill deal. I really don't mean to be rude or anything, just to be clear. It can be fun as a thought experiment and trying to find a new way to play the game after 5 years but doing that because of some feeling of moral obligation seems strange. This is a fantasy video game. If you really want a wholesome game without doing any bad things it's kinda the wrong address. There are plenty games providing that niche, I don't know, the Sims comes to mind, or if you want that online component, there's Second Life for example. It's just a tad strange. So yeah, as a fun activity a no kill run or just some casual rp can be interesting, but as a principle of playing this game and wanting to complete the scenarios in it without doing bad things as a character I think it's just barking at the wrong tree. What are your thoughts on that, OP?

Just because someone has an idea to do something different and is trying to figure out how that may be done and asks for help doesnt give anyone the right to tell them to leave or to go play something else. If you dont like this thread there are others you can go read. Why are you here poo pooing someone who choose to try to think outside the box?

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Magenpie wrote: »

Michae wrote: »

I'm kinda perplexed about this no kill deal. I really don't mean to be rude or anything, just to be clear. It can be fun as a thought experiment and trying to find a new way to play the game after 5 years but doing that because of some feeling of moral obligation seems strange. This is a fantasy video game. If you really want a wholesome game without doing any bad things it's kinda the wrong address. There are plenty games providing that niche, I don't know, the Sims comes to mind, or if you want that online component, there's Second Life for example. It's just a tad strange. So yeah, as a fun activity a no kill run or just some casual rp can be interesting, but as a principle of playing this game and wanting to complete the scenarios in it without doing bad things as a character I think it's just barking at the wrong tree. What are your thoughts on that, OP?

People are merely enjoying the puzzle of finding the best ways to avoid combat during their travels about the world. That could be for any number of reasons - rp, simply the fun of working things out or because they are a hardcore pacifist in rl and they don't want to. But actually none of those things matter, all they've done is ask the forum how they would go about such a plan.

No where in the rules of the game does it say 'you must kill things in order to play this game or you are doing it wrong.'

There are plenty of games out there where players have taken the original concepts and have used them to turn the game into something else. This isn't even one of those games - it offers a variety of things to do that don't involve killing, and the clue 'rpg' means players are encouraged to take their characters and play them how they like. If someone wants to park their toon in Daggerfall and make bread for 5 rl years, it's their prerogative. Just because it's something YOU don't want to do, doesn't make it an illegitimate way to play the game.

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Hey, I'm not telling anyone should leave. As I said, I didn't intend to be rude or anything. And I admitted it was the fun thought experiment. But if you're seriously coming in here asking for a "no kill" option in a game that's mostly about killing things then I find it strange, that's all. The mods removed my example so I'll try a different one, it's like going to see a horror film and complaining that it's scary. Nobody prevents you from doing a no kill run, I find it quite interesting actually and I might try it. But people who are somehow outraged that this game has killing or stealing in it and genuinely want an option to just give everyone flowers and sing kumbayah just seem to be unreasonable, ok? I'm not saying it's your case, I'm not saying we can't talk about it, but at the end of the day ESO is what it is and people knew what they were getting into before even buying it. So those demanding a no kill option from the devs themselves seem a little silly, ok? My sugesstions weren't meant to be taken as "do it my way or get out", I'm sorry if you felt that way. It's really hard to convey emotion and intent in written post.

As for suggestions on a "no kill run" I think most quests are undoable unless you do them with a friend and have no problem with them doing the killing, same with dungeons. Crafting may be the peaceful way of leveling up a character. Buying the skill lines seems just like cheating, it's like hiring a mercanary to do the killing for you.

Magenpie

@Michae - no one is asking the Devs for anything. No changes to the game whatsoever. Also, no outrage. Anywhere. It's working out how you do it within the parameters of the game as is. All these discussions are about asking other players how they would do it, and what ideas they can come up with. No devs involved. You *can* level up in this game without killing things, it will take a long time, but you can do it. Now, that might not be something to interest you, but that's ok, right? Maybe it's not about levelling up at all, maybe it's about how you survive out in the world if you want to collect mats and/or explore.

Not everything has to be about aiming for the endgame. There's a massive world out there, some people just want their characters to live in it.

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Michae

Magenpie wrote: »

@Michae - no one is asking the Devs for anything. No changes to the game whatsoever. Also, no outrage. Anywhere. It's working out how you do it within the parameters of the game as is. All these discussions are about asking other players how they would do it, and what ideas they can come up with. No devs involved. You *can* level up in this game without killing things, it will take a long time, but you can do it. Now, that might not be something to interest you, but that's ok, right? Maybe it's not about levelling up at all, maybe it's about how you survive out in the world if you want to collect mats and/or explore.

Not everything has to be about aiming for the endgame. There's a massive world out there, some people just want their characters to live in it.

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Hey, I know you don't do that specifically. But I've seen people like this in those other threads you mentioned. Or people outraged at Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood event. It was directed to them.

And I'm no endgamer myself, I still haven't completed most of the quests in game, I did only two vet dungeons in my whole ESO career and I'm CP 750 simply because I do quests and occasional Battlegrounds. I really got into rp scene last year and had lots of fun "no kill - just chilling" rp sessions, so I get what you're about. No hard feelings?

Magenpie

Michae wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

@Michae - no one is asking the Devs for anything. No changes to the game whatsoever. Also, no outrage. Anywhere. It's working out how you do it within the parameters of the game as is. All these discussions are about asking other players how they would do it, and what ideas they can come up with. No devs involved. You *can* level up in this game without killing things, it will take a long time, but you can do it. Now, that might not be something to interest you, but that's ok, right? Maybe it's not about levelling up at all, maybe it's about how you survive out in the world if you want to collect mats and/or explore.

Not everything has to be about aiming for the endgame. There's a massive world out there, some people just want their characters to live in it.

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Hey, I know you don't do that specifically. But I've seen people like this in those other threads you mentioned. Or people outraged at Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood event. It was directed to them.

And I'm no endgamer myself, I still haven't completed most of the quests in game, I did only two vet dungeons in my whole ESO career and I'm CP 750 simply because I do quests and occasional Battlegrounds. I really got into rp scene last year and had lots of fun "no kill - just chilling" rp sessions, so I get what you're about. No hard feelings?

No hard feelings at all, and back atcha.

But should also say that I don't think anyone was being outraged by the combat/killing elements of the game in these threads. I think there were a couple of people talking about how they wished there were more non-violent quests, but I'm pretty sure that was for more character choice and variety, rather than being upset about the amount of violence in the game. It did get a bit philosophical at points, but I really don't think anyone was complaining. Just being a bit wishful for more options.

And hey, if someone joined the game, played a bit and then said, 'THIS IS DISGUSTING!! ALL THIS VIOLENCE!!' I'd be right with you in saying, 'Whelp, it *is* kind of on the box.' I might then direct them to these threads, hee hee.

And you're right, it's difficult to hear tone in a forum post, my bad too.

Nestor

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unfortunately, with a bit of research it looks like there aren't restoration skill books as they appear to have been erroneously set to destruction staff instead.

I can confirm the Resto Skill book issue. There are no Resto Skill Books in the game. There are 10 Destro skill books. This has been known and reported to ZOS since Beta.

I have characters that had or have 0 in Resto Skill and have read all or near all the skill books. When i say near all, they are missing 2 or 3 Books.