I'm not sure where to post this, but in your opinion, is sexism really rampant in eso?

wolfbone

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.
apparently I'm all that's wrong with eso and I'm a vile plague that doesnt respect women. so, it has gotten me thinking, is sexism in eso as rampant as this person has claimed?

thanks for anyone's input on this matter

dazee

No. Elitist 6 year old neckbeards who send hate tells for not using the "One true build" or not having maelstrom bow, or who blame you for "not healing" when they refuse to do mechanics and die becuase of it are a far greater issue.

wolfbone

dazee wrote: »

No. Elitist 6 year old neckbeards who send hate tells for not using the "One true build" or not having maelstrom bow, or who blame you for "not healing" when they refuse to do mechanics and die becuase of it are a far greater issue.

I thought so, thankyou for your input, I found it to be a fresh look at things.

Vevvev

I've never encountered or really seen it to be honest. I know quite a few of my guild members that are women that have never encountered anything like this either. Now that doesn't mean they don't get mean tells when they mess up in a dungeon or beat up someone in PVP, but its not generally aimed at them for being women. Every game has its trolls but they don't make up the majority of a game's player base.

x48rph

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

ManwithBeard9

And then everybody clapped.

StormeReigns

Eh, it's a finicky world. Haven't had anything like that happen in any game (as of yet - thankfully). But out in the real world, been berated by randos for cultural appropriation of urban youths while being a traitor to my gender for following the patriarchy. Was simply teaching my daughters ASL (American Sign Language) so they can communicate with me easier.

So, if that can get random strangers in a tissyfit, not surprised by what the op may have had to endure.

Nerouyn

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

TheFM

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.
apparently I'm all that's wrong with eso and I'm a vile plague that doesnt respect women. so, it has gotten me thinking, is sexism in eso as rampant as this person has claimed?

thanks for anyone's input on this matter

In my experience yes. The second certain people found out I was a woman they started making sexist hate tells. They switched from normal salty tells to flat out sexist ones.

TheFM

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

VaranisArano

The Devs and lore writers generally take a rather mature approach to gender and sexuality. They usually succeed in presenting far more positive examples than they do in having negative examples.

For example, I'm not thrilled by the pair of Lady Laurent and Stibbons, even though I recognize the stereotype of noble buffoon/competent servant they are meant to lampoon. That brand of comedy just doesn't appeal to me.

In contrast, we've got plenty of examples where women effectively lead men without having to be perfect. Ayrenn grows as a leader through the five AD zones. Queen Maryah, for all the jester's jokes about her telling Emeric what to do, actually saves his kingdom by sending the Vestige to investigate Necromancers in Alikr. Queen Arzhela steps up to meet the challenge in Bangkorai, among many others. There are also some excellent foils: the bond between the Green Lady and Silvenar, the loyalty between Sotha Sil and Luciana Pullo is notable, as is the respect Holgunn has for Walks-In-Ash in the Pact questline.


Overall, I suspect that players find what they are looking for. If you want to find examples of sexism in ESO, you'll find them. If you want to find positive examples of the Devs/writers handling the subject with maturity, you'll find those too.


(Now, if you were talking about sexism in the playerbase, that's a whole 'nother issue. I suspect that ESO players aren't any better or worse than any other group of people who feel empowered by being relatively anonymous in a game/on the internet.)

TheFM

Nerouyn wrote: »

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

Chaos2088

Had a few female friends play the game say that some guys dont take them seriously as a player like end game content etc, which is stupid as hell....

StormeReigns

TheFM wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

Same happens Pc-NA, normally in the starting zones and Ghratwood where i seen it most.
Oddly Cyrodill, has calmed down a lot. But that could be that many of them can't get in and are crashing, or it is some cosmic premeditated karma kick to the taint.

Karmen

I met this kind of people in pvp. This guy who ask my instagram against leaving me alone, because he tbaged me non-stop and focused everywhere with his endgame build while I was pretty new in eso. This guy who say i have to suck him and show my boobs, in zone chat, this guy I reported and nothing from zenimax has been done.

yes, sexism exist in eso. but it's not everywhere

TheFM

StormeReigns wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

Same happens Pc-NA, normally in the starting zones and Ghratwood where i seen it most.
Oddly Cyrodill, has calmed down a lot. But that could be that many of them can't get in and are crashing, or it is some cosmic premeditated karma kick to the taint.

I actually saw ppl making holocaust jokes and others AGREEING with them in ad zone chat on no cp pc EU, and some ppl saying women are only good for certain things . I always speak up, and almost always have ppl whisp me saying thank you, and I refuse to block them because then others will see that rot and I can't report them. It's quite disheartening that something is rarely done about it, even with pictures.

Nerouyn

TheFM wrote: »

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

TheFM wrote: »

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm on NA and rarely go into Cyrodiil.

What you describe is clearly illegal.

Every player regardless of gender, religion etc. has the legal right to enjoy the game without crap like that.

ZO obviously can't literally control everything every player ever says but if they're failing to take appropriate action when these things are reported and if a culture has developed in which such comments are normal, that is illegal.

Video record it. Over multiple days / weeks would be ideal. Submit a complaint to your local anti discrimination authority.

TheFM

Nerouyn wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

TheFM wrote: »

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm on NA and rarely go into Cyrodiil.

What you describe is clearly illegal.

Every player regardless of gender, religion etc. has the legal right to enjoy the game without crap like that.

ZO obviously can't literally control everything every player ever says but if they're failing to take appropriate action when these things are reported and if a culture has developed in which such comments are normal, that is illegal.

Video record it. Over multiple days / weeks would be ideal. Submit a complaint to your local anti discrimination authority.

I plan on it, and I do agree with your first statement. Just saying my 2 cents. Atm I can't tell if these players are gone or if I just miss it cuz I crash so often and gave up on cyro atm

Lylith

TheFM wrote: »

x48rph wrote: »

LOL. Some people will blow any comment way out of proportion, especially if they're a SJW on top of it. Just ignore and move on, can't say I've ever really had any issues with sexism other then little stuff one would normally expect in any MMO with so many people of varying views, values, beliefs, ect....

Better a sjw than a sociopath imo.

there's a difference?

fascinating.

Sylvermynx

I've only had one real "sexism" incident in almost 2 years: was running a new Bosmer through Auridon, heading for the Harborage when I realized someone was running right behind me. I stopped so I could swing the screen to see who it was (could have been a friend who was online and in Auridon right then).

It was someone I didn't know, who immediately whispered me with "I'm looking for someone to go dominant on me, and you look like the type." I was a bit startled.... I mean, that character wasn't even somewhat UNdressed, she was fully covered, and some person wants to get into BDSM?

I didn't even reply - just blocked the player, and went on my way. Totally weird. Not nearly as bad as stuff on WoW though....

Nerouyn

TheFM wrote: »

Atm I can't tell if these players are gone or if I just miss it cuz I crash so often and gave up on cyro atm

Maybe they're also crashing.

wolfbone

Nerouyn wrote: »

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

I'd be happy to.
some npcs will say when you walk by them, and it happens in cyrodill too, I think it's randomised what they'll say but they tend to be working npcs, such as moving boxes and so on

TheFM

Nerouyn wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Atm I can't tell if these players are gone or if I just miss it cuz I crash so often and gave up on cyro atm

Maybe they're also crashing.

That's what I'm thinking. Too early tell atm, we will see. Tomorrow is the update to supposedly fix the crashes and I'll report back defo.

wolfbone

VaranisArano wrote: »

The Devs and lore writers generally take a rather mature approach to gender and sexuality. They usually succeed in presenting far more positive examples than they do in having negative examples.

For example, I'm not thrilled by the pair of Lady Laurent and Stibbons, even though I recognize the stereotype of noble buffoon/competent servant they are meant to lampoon. That brand of comedy just doesn't appeal to me.

In contrast, we've got plenty of examples where women effectively lead men without having to be perfect. Ayrenn grows as a leader through the five AD zones. Queen Maryah, for all the jester's jokes about her telling Emeric what to do, actually saves his kingdom by sending the Vestige to investigate Necromancers in Alikr. Queen Arzhela steps up to meet the challenge in Bangkorai, among many others. There are also some excellent foils: the bond between the Green Lady and Silvenar, the loyalty between Sotha Sil and Luciana Pullo is notable, as is the respect Holgunn has for Walks-In-Ash in the Pact questline.


Overall, I suspect that players find what they are looking for. If you want to find examples of sexism in ESO, you'll find them. If you want to find positive examples of the Devs/writers handling the subject with maturity, you'll find those too.


(Now, if you were talking about sexism in the playerbase, that's a whole 'nother issue. I suspect that ESO players aren't any better or worse than any other group of people who feel empowered by being relatively anonymous in a game/on the internet.)

I quite like queen ayrenn, I felt as a character she was a impressive queen that really ocnnected with her people plus I feel she'd be a great person to know

Ohtimbar

Sexism is rampant in gaming as a whole, but ESO seems better than many in that respect. There’s still room to improve, as ever.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Sexism is rampant in gaming as a whole, but ESO seems better than many in that respect. There’s still room to improve, as ever.

Yes I agree. ESO is much, much better in that regard.

jircris11

dazee wrote: »

No. Elitist 6 year old neckbeards who send hate tells for not using the "One true build" or not having maelstrom bow, or who blame you for "not healing" when they refuse to do mechanics and die becuase of it are a far greater issue.

So much this

Nerouyn

wolfbone wrote: »

some npcs will say when you walk by them, and it happens in cyrodill too, I think it's randomised what they'll say but they tend to be working npcs, such as moving boxes and so on

I'm familiar with some NPCs making comments and sometimes about players.

But I don't understand what you meant with '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say" and also how that could be misconstrued (by anyone) as sexist.

If some other player has totally randomly and unfairly accused you of sexism purely on the basis of you or your character's gender, that would be an example of them being sexist.

Sylvermynx

If there's a lot of noise in an area, you may never hear that sort of NPC "aside". I see it as I always have voice muted and subtitles running. It's just a random thing NPCs say occasionally. I think it must be that the OP mentioned it as something s/he heard an NPC say, and got some drastic feedback for it.

Watchdog

Reading all this, I must be playing a different ESO than others.

Apart from a few jerks in zone chats and such, I have generally only met nice people. Finding a good social guild with members who are both adult and mentally mature is a great way to ensure most people around you in ESO are nice.

dazee

TheFM wrote: »

Nerouyn wrote: »

Just yesterday or maybe the day before, there was someone in zone chat making tired old jokes about women not being able to drive.

But that's not super common and probably less common than offensive zone chat targeting other groups. No other example of sexism springs immediately to mind.

wolfbone wrote: »

so tonight, rather a rather hostile player has verbally insulted me because I'm apparently sexist for making a reference to the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say.

Could you explain what you mean by this "the '*sigh* not another distraction' some npcs will say"?

Pc EU, no cp late night zone chat is rife with sexist, homophobic, and often anti Semitic comments. Have reported often, and zero has been done.

Disgusting, glad I'm on PC/NA I guess.